Upgrade cpu or gpu

[Pasi123]

9 minutes ago, Motifator said:

That FF bench tests both the GPU and the CPU. Do a FireStrike physics test and we can go from there.

I found this from my bookmarks: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9205829/fs/12924335# One on the right is my X5670 @ 4.2GHz and one on the left is my friend's PC. And here is some old comparison of my GTX 960 and my older GTX 660 on a Xeon W3550 (i7-950) @ stock: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9306169/fs/7918174#

 

I don't seem to have any newer results with a higher clock speed.

[JoostinOnline]

35 minutes ago, Motifator said:

That FF bench tests both the GPU and the CPU. Do a FireStrike physics test and we can go from there.

Why bother? The 8700k absolutely destroys a 920, even when comparing a stock one to an overclocked 920. It's a much bigger difference than a GPU upgrade would offer.

 

It's like demanding more proof that the sun is hot.

[Pasi123]

5 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Why bother? The 8700k absolutely destroys a 920, even when comparing a stock one to an overclocked 920. It's a much bigger difference than a GPU upgrade would offer.

 

It's like demanding more proof that the sun is hot.

920? OP has a i7-960. But GPU upgrade definitely would make a bigger difference than the CPU. And he could always get a 6-core Xeon for as cheap as 25 USD. And he also said he would be playing at 1440p and at least IMO the GTX 1060 isn't the best card for 1440p.

[Motifator]

It isn't, but here are the things you don't seem to be getting. You compared a stock CPU to an OC'ed one twice, then you said your CPU was better than its 6-core AMD equivalent, and here I'll prove you wrong. I'll also add my primary setup for you to see how much difference a properly full blown CPU makes with a 1080 Ti. Nobody in their right mind should couple that GPU with a Westmere, period:

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/15621489/fs/12924335#

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/15230904/fs/12924335#

[JoostinOnline]

40 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

920? OP has a i7-960. But GPU upgrade definitely would make a bigger difference than the CPU. And he could always get a 6-core Xeon for as cheap as 25 USD. And he also said he would be playing at 1440p and at least IMO the GTX 1060 isn't the best card for 1440p.

Obviously I meant 960. It's late.   And stop with this nonsense. You don't understand architecture or IPC. I wouldn't care except that you are repeatedly giving horrible advice. You're sticking your fingers in your ears and humming as loud as you can, rather than look at the presented evidence.

 

A 1060 isn't going to do great at 1140p, but his old i7, or an old Xeon, will bottleneck him like crazy.

[Pasi123]

7 minutes ago, Motifator said:

It isn't, but here are the things you don't seem to be getting. You compared a stock CPU to an OC'ed one twice, then you said your CPU was better than its 6-core AMD equivalent, and here I'll prove you wrong. I'll also add my primary setup for you to see how much difference a properly full blown CPU makes with a 1080 Ti. Nobody in their right mind should couple that GPU with a Westmere, period:

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/15621489/fs/12924335#

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/15230904/fs/12924335#

I never said that it would be better than the Ryzen 5 2600. I just said it's close to it in gaming.

 

Maybe @Intelfreak could tell how his i7 980X works with the 1080 Ti? Or @asand1 who has a Xeon X5680 and a GTX 1080?

[airdeano]

enough of the bickering amongst yourselves..

three pages of blah, blah, blah and no closer to helping the OP,  but your egos are swollen, get that checked out by a doctor, PLEASE!

im right, your wrong so there??

great scott!!

the E-PEEN level is 11 in here..

@NavySealC1 our apologies for this mess..

[DarkSmith2]

12 hours ago, Pasi123 said:

X58 Xeons aren't too bad even when compared to a i7-8700K.

ehm yea i have my problems with this video, first off all he is overclocking the 8700k to 5GHz with DDR4-2400. From the actual 8700k review of Digital Foundry i can already tell its Overclock is probably useless because of being bandwidth bottlenecked. I pasted the video at the right part:

 

The second thing im more than unhappy with is that on TechYesCity's video there isnt any comparison between frametimes, so its unfortunately not telling the whole story, just "some hints" But that you wont need the fastest CPU in a GPU bottlenecked enviroment and that FPS caps helped the Xeon to look good. 

 

23 hours ago, NavySealC1 said:

hi. i have an intel i7-960 i bought it in 2009 and i have 1060 6gb, and I'm confused upgrade to i7-8700k or 1080ti because i want to play rainbow six siege at 1440p 165hz 

upgrade cpu or gpu?!

Dont buy a 1080ti anymore, right now its a waste. New GPU's will probably be released soon. And you might get its performance for a lower price by buying a GTX1170. Or something faster for the same Money GTX1180. You can try like someone said to buy a Xeon thats usable on your plattform and overclock it to see if you get any better performance, you can get those mostly cheap on ebay so maybe its a waste but a small one.

 

Playing rainbow six siege its hard to get performance even if you have the latest and greatest.

[Motifator]

8 hours ago, DarkSmith2 said:

Playing rainbow six siege its hard to get performance even if you have the latest and greatest.

Siege isn't all that much of a demanding game actually, I can run it at 1080p easily with my 1060 at high settings with a lot of stuff turned on, and at 2560x1440 with my 1080 Ti at A LOT of FPS. UHD is another story though, I reduce resolution scaling to %70 for that, which gets me to something among the lines of the game rendered at 3200x1800 while displaying UHD. Still looks nice and plays well however. He's not going to run UHD so he should be fine.

I remember The Evil Within 2 killing my 1080 Ti at UHD and getting 35 FPS. Now that was an intensive game.

[StarKira]

If your motherboard is from 2009, I would first look if that thing is compatible by any miracle, with the lastest i7 flagship cpu of the 8th generation

[asand1]

Here are a couple of vide of my X5680 and GTX 1080 @1080p. The CPU is no slouch, could it be better? Yes, Could you beat it for less already having an X58 mobo? No.

 

 

[Motifator]

You can play CS: GO on a turd. If you look at the GamersNexus article I posted, you can see that the X58 chips significantly bottleneck higher end GPUs like the 1080 in CPU heavy games.

I'll repeat what I said in another way, there is zero point in coupling up a Westmere with a 1080 Ti. The money is much better spent elsewhere. You could instead get a 1070 Ti with a decent CPU, overclock both and I guarantee you that you will get better performance in CPU intensive titles.

[DarkSmith2]

45 minutes ago, asand1 said:

Here are a couple of vide of my X5680 and GTX 1080 @1080p. The CPU is no slouch, could it be better? Yes, Could you beat it for less already having an X58 mobo? No.

 

 

well the csgo video you made has really horrible FPS, considering its csgo and you want to permanently have 300+ FPS just to avoid the game creating significant input lag and frametime inconsistency which leads into missing flickshots because the guy you shot at with your great muscle memory is in reality somewhere else already.

 

Im wondering why it is so low, maybe its because you are recording at the same time. I mean even my 2600k managed more and much more consistent FPS on a 4.2GHz OC. Now my 8700k at 5GHz has doubled my FPS in csgo still using the same GPU (GTX 970). Its not necessary to get 600-700fps in csgo, game doesnt get better than 300fps. But you can pretty much compare the performance from this somewhat, so it just feels awkward watching the video considering you are using a GTX1080 and cant use it at all, but thats just how csgo works. Techyescity had a much higher performance on that CPU, is there something wrong with yours or is it at stock?

[Crunchy Dragon]

On 5/28/2018 at 7:34 AM, NavySealC1 said:

hi. i have an intel i7-960 i bought it in 2009 and i have 1060 6gb, and I'm confused upgrade to i7-8700k or 1080ti because i want to play rainbow six siege at 1440p 165hz 

upgrade cpu or gpu?!

The 1080Ti will be bottlenecked by your current CPU. Your current GPU can't run 1440p165.

 

There won't be a bottleneck either way if you get the 8700K.

On 5/28/2018 at 2:09 PM, DarkSmith2 said:

People said the same thing about the 780ti, nowdays its a crap card, and it isnt even a long time ago since...

The 780 and 780Ti are still pretty good 1080p cards.

[DarkSmith2]

8 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

The 780 and 780Ti are still pretty good 1080p cards.

sure for 60fps gaming and being held back by not having enough VRAM for certain games or settings.

I feel already pretty shitty with my gtx970 tbh. But thats just me and im using a 144hz Monitor so its just normal that everything "works" but nothing is "pleasing".

I just said, people told us a 780ti is overkill for 1080p when it still was new, and nowdays its lower midrange due to its shortcomings. Thats why you recommend everybody to get atleast the 6GB variant of a GTX1060.. its theoretically not that much faster than a 780ti or 970 but the amount of VRAM makes it worthy.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, DarkSmith2 said:

sure for 60fps gaming and being held back by not having enough VRAM for certain games or settings.

I feel already pretty shitty with my gtx970 tbh. But thats just me and im using a 144hz Monitor so its just normal that everything "works" but nothing is "pleasing".

I just said, people told us a 780ti is overkill for 1080p when it still was new, and nowdays its lower midrange due to it shortcomings. Thats why you recommend everybody to get atleast the 6GB variant of a GTX1060.. its theoretically not that much faster than a 780ti or 970 but the amount of VRAM makes it worthy.

The 780 and 780Ti were made for 1440p, so it makes sense that people would claim it's overkill for 1080p. The 970 is more similar in performance to the 1060 3Gb as well, it's the 980 that comes closer to 1060 6Gb performance.

 

I like my 780, runs everything short of PUBG the way I need it to. I have to make some serious sacrifices on PUBG to get a playable framerate.

[DarkSmith2]

9 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

The 780 and 780Ti were made for 1440p, so it makes sense that people would claim it's overkill for 1080p. The 970 is more similar in performance to the 1060 3Gb as well, it's the 980 that comes closer to 1060 6Gb performance.

 

I like my 780, runs everything short of PUBG the way I need it to. I have to make some serious sacrifices on PUBG to get a playable framerate.

well, alot of AIB 970s arent really much slower than a 980 due to really heavy factory overclocking, using absurdly huge coolers for a 970 and so on. The GTX970G1 is a good example, Mine clocks to 1400mhz out of the box, can do 1600mhz when overclocked, actually good stuff. Still ofc not as fast as a good overclocked 980 but also not so far off.

 

And yes PUBG is a sucker. Im fine with my 120-144 FPS in PUBG though, but i would love to play with 120% resolution scale because it looks so much better on my 720p stream..

 

The only reasons i wait for upgrading my gtx970 is waiting for new stuff and that im playing mostly highly CPU bound games, funny part is that most online multiplayer games love CPUs more than GPUs.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, DarkSmith2 said:

well, alot of AIB 970s arent really much slower than a 980 due to really heavy factory overclocking, using absurdly huge coolers for a 970 and so on. The GTX970G1 is a good example, Mine clocks to 1400mhz out of the box, can do 1600mhz when overclocked, actually good stuff. Still ofc not as fast as a good overclocked 980 but also not so far off.

 

And yes PUBG is a sucker. Im fine with my 120-144 FPS in PUBG though, but i would love to play with 120% resolution scale because it looks so much better on my 720p stream..

 

The only reasons i wait for upgrading my gtx970 is waiting for new stuff and that im playing mostly highly CPU bound games, funny part is that most online multiplayer games love CPUs more than GPUs.

The 980 has the .5Gb VRAM advantage over the 970. Gigabyte's cards are pretty good overclockers from what I recall.

 

My 780 is stuck at 720p Lowest settings. Looks crap on my 1080p display. Sometime this year, I'd like to get a 1080.

[DarkSmith2]

7 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

The 980 has the .5Gb VRAM advantage over the 970. Gigabyte's cards are pretty good overclockers from what I recall.

 

My 780 is stuck at 720p Lowest settings. Looks crap on my 1080p display. Sometime this year, I'd like to get a 1080.

yea but they already kinda fixed the huge omega LUL framedrops from riding the .5GB VRAM train. It really starts to suck if WDDM kicks in and you are using your ddr3/ddr4 above 4GB usage. Im not saying there wont be a drop, there will be but its not as crucial anymore than it was when it first got released. I think they attempted to fix it with drivers and how the memory is being used though. Nvidia kinda made a good job at this.

 

Sometime this year i probably going full custom loop and buy sound stuff (mixer/mic) and waiting until the 1180ti, or getting the 1180, cant afford both, cant decide yet. Im sorry to hear that your 780 is stuck at 720p ;/

[Crunchy Dragon]

26 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

yea but they already kinda fixed the huge omega LUL framedrops from riding the .5GB VRAM train. It really starts to suck if WDDM kicks in and you are using your ddr3/ddr4 above 4GB usage. Im not saying there wont be a drop, there will be but its not as crucial anymore than it was when it first got released. I think they attempted to fix it with drivers and how the memory is being used though. Nvidia kinda made a good job at this.

 

Sometime this year i probably going full custom loop and buy sound stuff (mixer/mic) and waiting until the 1180ti, or getting the 1180, cant afford both, cant decide yet. Im sorry to hear that your 780 is stuck at 720p ;/

Yeah, I'm hoping to retire it this year lol.

 

Might stick it on my shelf as decor or something like that.

[asand1]

@DarkSmith2

GPU is stock I believe, CPU is at 4Ghz. I haven't done a whole lot of tweaking because my current monitor is only 60Hz. Not sure what settings Brian was running at, I've boot high and very high with AA and such on.

[O9B0666]

3 hours ago, DarkSmith2 said:

well the csgo video you made has really horrible FPS, considering its csgo and you want to permanently have 300+ FPS just to avoid the game creating significant input lag and frametime inconsistency which leads into missing flickshots because the guy you shot at with your great muscle memory is in reality somewhere else already.

 

Im wondering why it is so low, maybe its because you are recording at the same time. I mean even my 2600k managed more and much more consistent FPS on a 4.2GHz OC. Now my 8700k at 5GHz has doubled my FPS in csgo still using the same GPU (GTX 970). Its not necessary to get 600-700fps in csgo, game doesnt get better than 300fps. But you can pretty much compare the performance from this somewhat, so it just feels awkward watching the video considering you are using a GTX1080 and cant use it at all, but thats just how csgo works. Techyescity had a much higher performance on that CPU, is there something wrong with yours or is it at stock?

I can tell your cpus are bottleknecking your gpu I have a inferior card then you and get more fps in firestrike. So should I post a video to be a end all that he should upgrade his cpu first since his cards nice. 

[Pasi123]

1 hour ago, O9B0666 said:

I can tell your cpus are bottleknecking your gpu I have a inferior card then you and get more fps in firestrike. So should I post a video to be a end all that he should upgrade his cpu first since his cards nice. 

Are you sure you did ran the Firestrike Extreme and not the standard one, if you're comparing it to asand1's score?

[acv159357n]

On 28-5-2018 at 1:34 PM, NavySealC1 said:

hi. i have an intel i7-960 i bought it in 2009 and i have 1060 6gb, and I'm confused upgrade to i7-8700k or 1080ti because i want to play rainbow six siege at 1440p 165hz 

upgrade cpu or gpu?!

Upgrade cpu, 100%. You're on a very old platform now. Newer cpu architectures and faster ram on a newer, more stable motherboard with possibly a newer psu would help you significantly

[DarkSmith2]

9 hours ago, asand1 said:

GPU is stock I believe, CPU is at 4Ghz. I haven't done a whole lot of tweaking because my current monitor is only 60Hz. Not sure what settings Brian was running at, I've boot high and very high with AA and such on.

the only setting that should greatly impact FPS with your GPU is resolution and motion blur in csgo.

Whats your setting for motion blur? I noticed enabling it can decrease FPS alot.