Posted May 19, 2018 Author 5 minutes ago, Ben Quigley said: It really depends on if 200 quid is a hard limit. imknow thats why i was looking at older hardware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 Just now, Cupar19 said: imknow thats why i was looking at older hardware No I was asking if you really cant afford more than 200 My Folding Stats - Join the fight against COVID-19 with FOLDING! - If someone has helped you out on the forum don't forget to give them a reaction to say thank you! The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. - Socrates Please put as much effort into your question as you expect me to put into answering it. CPU Ryzen 9 5950X Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-GAMING 5 RAM 32GB DDR4 3200 GPU Inno3D 4070 Ti Case Cooler Master - MasterCase H500P Storage Western Digital Black 250GB, Seagate BarraCuda 1TB x2 PSU EVGA Supernova 1000w Display(s) Lenovo L29w-30 29 Inch UltraWide Full HD, BenQ - XL2430(portrait), Dell P2311Hb(portrait) Cooling MasterLiquid Lite 240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 Author Just now, Ben Quigley said: No I was asking if you really cant afford more than 200 no not right now, i mean i could in a few months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 Author also how would i go about bringing the subject up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 If you are insisting on a Xeon then then getting a single E5-1650 V2 would be fine for you, 12 threads should be enough for the workloads you describe. As far as bringing up the subject is something that I can't help with as I dont know your parents. Do you study IT? Are you currently in school or college? My Folding Stats - Join the fight against COVID-19 with FOLDING! - If someone has helped you out on the forum don't forget to give them a reaction to say thank you! The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. - Socrates Please put as much effort into your question as you expect me to put into answering it. CPU Ryzen 9 5950X Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-GAMING 5 RAM 32GB DDR4 3200 GPU Inno3D 4070 Ti Case Cooler Master - MasterCase H500P Storage Western Digital Black 250GB, Seagate BarraCuda 1TB x2 PSU EVGA Supernova 1000w Display(s) Lenovo L29w-30 29 Inch UltraWide Full HD, BenQ - XL2430(portrait), Dell P2311Hb(portrait) Cooling MasterLiquid Lite 240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 Author Just now, Ben Quigley said: If you are insisting on a Xeon then then getting a single E5-1650 V2 would be fine for you, 12 threads should be enough for the workloads you describe. As far as bringing up the subject is something that I can't help with as I dont know your parents. Do you study IT? Are you currently in school or college? school but i am studying IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Cupar19 said: school but i am studying IT Do you go too college this year? My Folding Stats - Join the fight against COVID-19 with FOLDING! - If someone has helped you out on the forum don't forget to give them a reaction to say thank you! The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. - Socrates Please put as much effort into your question as you expect me to put into answering it. CPU Ryzen 9 5950X Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-GAMING 5 RAM 32GB DDR4 3200 GPU Inno3D 4070 Ti Case Cooler Master - MasterCase H500P Storage Western Digital Black 250GB, Seagate BarraCuda 1TB x2 PSU EVGA Supernova 1000w Display(s) Lenovo L29w-30 29 Inch UltraWide Full HD, BenQ - XL2430(portrait), Dell P2311Hb(portrait) Cooling MasterLiquid Lite 240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 Author Just now, Ben Quigley said: Do you go too college this year? no nxt year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cupar19 said: no nxt year Damn, was going to say tell them you needed it for college and save up till September for it. h well, maybe try to convince then it will give you a headstart for college? I mean it really would anyway depending on what type of IT you are studying. My Folding Stats - Join the fight against COVID-19 with FOLDING! - If someone has helped you out on the forum don't forget to give them a reaction to say thank you! The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. - Socrates Please put as much effort into your question as you expect me to put into answering it. CPU Ryzen 9 5950X Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-GAMING 5 RAM 32GB DDR4 3200 GPU Inno3D 4070 Ti Case Cooler Master - MasterCase H500P Storage Western Digital Black 250GB, Seagate BarraCuda 1TB x2 PSU EVGA Supernova 1000w Display(s) Lenovo L29w-30 29 Inch UltraWide Full HD, BenQ - XL2430(portrait), Dell P2311Hb(portrait) Cooling MasterLiquid Lite 240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 Author 1 minute ago, Ben Quigley said: Damn, was going to say tell them you needed it for college and save up till September for it. h well, maybe try to convince then it will give you a headstart for college? I mean it really would anyway depending on what type of IT you are studying. ok thanks ill try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 Just now, Cupar19 said: ok thanks ill try No worries, I studied networking and more than happy too help try to convince them if you have any questions. Just dont ask me about networking haha My Folding Stats - Join the fight against COVID-19 with FOLDING! - If someone has helped you out on the forum don't forget to give them a reaction to say thank you! The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. - Socrates Please put as much effort into your question as you expect me to put into answering it. CPU Ryzen 9 5950X Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus GA-AX370-GAMING 5 RAM 32GB DDR4 3200 GPU Inno3D 4070 Ti Case Cooler Master - MasterCase H500P Storage Western Digital Black 250GB, Seagate BarraCuda 1TB x2 PSU EVGA Supernova 1000w Display(s) Lenovo L29w-30 29 Inch UltraWide Full HD, BenQ - XL2430(portrait), Dell P2311Hb(portrait) Cooling MasterLiquid Lite 240 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 19, 2018 Author 1 minute ago, Ben Quigley said: No worries, I studied networking and more than happy too help try to convince them if you have any questions. Just dont ask me about networking haha ok sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 20, 2018 As others have said, you need to help them understand your motives, you want to learn by experience. If IT is a potential career path for you, than hands on experience with setting up, breaking, troubleshooting, fixing, etc, can be a great learning tool. Sometimes when explaining technical topics to people not versed in that area can be difficult. Analogies are helpful with this. From what you said, their primary concern is over potential visibility of what you are doing on that Server. Maybe they are concerned you are viewing pornography or something. I can't think of too many other examples as to what they may be concerned about, if you have more information, it may help. And if you are running a Linux system, there really if no way you can satisfy this concern of theirs. The best bet is to be rational about it. Help them understand your reasons for wanting it (as a learning tool). Express top them that you are a couple years off being an adult, where you could make any of these decisions for yourself. Let them know you'll only be accessing it through your existing computer so they can look over your shoulder at any time. Some people are afraid of what they don't understand. But unless they have an interest, this is one area they will never fully understand. Most importantly, don't give them any reason to doubt you or not trust you. I work in IT now. I wouldn't have the knowledge and experience I have today if my parents did not give me the freedom to explore computer systems when I was younger. Not only the freedom, but they supported me in any way they could. I have no doubt in my mind that their support has been instrumental to my career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 20, 2018 So you're studying IT? In that case i would just take it as a subject. That you need the server to do real world testing of things you learn. This way you will get deeper understanding of the things you learn. It will help you positively now and in the future. It's a direct way for you to evolve yourself, and therefore this is important for you. As an exstra note you can tell them that mostly everyone who work in IT have atleast one server at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 20, 2018 If you are doing it to learn then you should 100% use a vm or an older computer as server and go use a minimal install of ubuntu and just login to it through SSH. And have your cloud somewhere else like dropbox or google drive or something. I feel that if you dont really know what you want to do and have a clear plan about it then you should not pressure someone to pay for it =) PS: AWESOME to hear more people getting into Linux! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 20, 2018 Currently using an old pc from 2006 as a server. Something like that should be good for school files and such but not a games server (though games like minecraft can be hosted fine on it, so can csgo servers). There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary and those that don't. Current Rig (Dominator II): 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3133 C15, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 at 4GHz, Coolermaster MasterLiquid Lite 120, ASRock B450M Pro4, AMD R9 280X, 120GB TCSunBow SSD, 3TB Seagate ST3000DM001-9YN166 HSD, Corsair CX750M Grey Label, Windows 10 Pro, 2x CoolerMaster MasterFan Pro 120, Thermaltake Versa H18 Tempered Glass. Previous Rig (Black Magic): 8GB DDR3 1600, AMD FX6300 OC'd to 4.5GHz, Zalman CNPS5X Performa, Asus M5A78L-M PLUS /USB3, GTX 950 SC (former, it blew my PCIe lane so now on mobo graphics which is Radeon HD 3000 Series), 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 7200RPM HDD, 3TB Seagate ST3000DM001-9YN166 HDD (secondary), Corsair CX750M, Windows 8.1 Pro, 2x 120mm Red LED fans, Deepcool SMARTER case My secondary rig (The Oldie): 4GB DDR2 800, Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3GHz, Stock Dell Cooler, Foxconn 0RY007, AMD Radeon HD 5450, 250GB Samsung Spinpoint 7200RPM HDD, Antec HCG 400M 400W Semi Modular PSU, Windows 8.1 Pro, 80mm Cooler Master fan, Dell Inspiron 530 Case modded for better cable management. UPDATE: SPECS UPGRADED DUE TO CASEMOD, 8GB DDR2 800, AMD Phenom X4 9650, Zalman CNPS5X Performa, Biostar GF8200C M2+, AMD Radeon HD 7450 GDDR5 edition, Samsung Spinpoint 250GB 7200RPM HDD, Antec HCG 400M 400W Semi Modular PSU, Windows 8.1 Pro, 80mm Cooler Master fan, Dell Inspiron 530 Case modded for better cable management and support for non Dell boards. Retired/Dead Rigs: The OG (retired) (First ever PC I used at 3 years old back in 2005) Current Specs: 2GB DDR2, Pentium M 770 @ 2.13GHz, 60GB IDE laptop HDD, ZorinOS 12 Ultimate x86. Originally 512mb DDR2, Pentium M 740 @ 1.73GHzm 60GB IDE laptop HDD and single boot XP Pro. The Craptop (dead), 2gb DDR3, Celeron n2840 @ 2.1GHz, 50GB eMMC chip, Windows 10 Pro. Nightrider (dead and cannibalized for Dominator II): Ryzen 3 1200, Gigabyte A320M HD2, 8GB DDR4, XFX Ghost Core Radeon HD 7770, 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 (2010), 3TB Seagate Barracuda, Corsair CX750M Green, Deepcool SMARTER, Windows 10 Home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 20, 2018 If it was me, I would try to explain to them by doing a few things in a linux VM on your main computer, this will show them roughly what you want to do and that your main PC wouldn't be able to handle ALL of those things at once and that's why you want a server. This will also give you a heads-up of what to expect yourself when you get the server. Please quote my post, or put @paddy-stone if you want me to respond to you. Spoiler PCs:- Main PC build https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2K6Q7X ASUS x53e - i7 2670QM / Sony BD writer x8 / Win 10, Elemetary OS, Ubuntu/ Samsung 830 SSD Lenovo G50 - 8Gb RAM - Samsung 860 Evo 250GB SSD - DVD writer Displays:- Philips 55 OLED 754 model Panasonic 55" 4k TV LG 29" Ultrawide Philips 24" 1080p monitor as backup Storage/NAS/Servers:- ESXI/test build https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4wyR9G Main Server https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3Qftyk Backup server - HP Proliant Gen 8 4 bay NAS running FreeNAS ZFS striped 3x3TiB WD reds HP ProLiant G6 Server SE316M1 Twin Hex Core Intel Xeon E5645 2.40GHz 48GB RAM Gaming/Tablets etc:- Xbox One S 500GB + 2TB HDD PS4 Nvidia Shield TV Xiaomi/Pocafone F2 pro 8GB/256GB Xiaomi Redmi Note 4 Unused Hardware currently :- 4670K MSI mobo 16GB ram i7 6700K b250 mobo Zotac GTX 1060 6GB Amp! edition Zotac GTX 1050 mini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 21, 2018 How to argue and win, look up toulmin argument on google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/20/2018 at 11:31 AM, DogKnight said: -snip- @DogKnight couldn't have said it better! Since your looking for a file server one thing you can try to get there support is let them use it. maybe install plex and show them it can be nice to have around. And even if all else fails you can always beef up your system and run a VM, Good Luck! I have GameServer`s And VOIP servers the only price is that you have fun on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 22, 2018 Buy now and ask for forgiveness later? How mad can they be if it was your own money? Once you get it you can't return it so.... The only advantage of buying an older server is all the juicy RAM it comes with. Otherwise you're paying extra $$ for the Xeon name, which does have extra features but not anymore processing power than their desktop counterparts. Most servers come in a tower form too - give it the appearance of a desktop and you could connect a KVM and tell them "See? I am using it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 22, 2018 Ask them if you can get a cheaper VPS first and them show them what you do with it. Once they see that, you can tell them that the VPS ins't fast enough anymore and that you would like their permission to get a server. Also, you can't use the word cloud, if your raspberry is running at home on consumer network gear and a home internet connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 22, 2018 Just chiming in on this one, the Z600 is a fine server/WS, but as it's Westmere w/ proprietary fan setup, it guzzles power and spits out noise, so you might want to consider something a little more modern as other posters have commented. I changed all my system fans out for quieter ones and it runs quieter and cooler, just don't expect small power bills if you're running full tilt. Make sure you get the rev 2 version if you are buying as you will be able to run 6 core CPU's and 16GB RDIMMs. without, you'll only be able to run Quad's and 8GB RDIMMs. This will be enough for most use cases for this older hardware but if you are going to, then you should, because you can. Mine is a 12 pCore 24 vCore beast, and with 96GB RAM I can run many virtual systems, so as an intro to things like ESXi and VM's in general it's a good system. most of my VDI is Linux. To give your folks something to look at, I'd use Oracle Virtualbox, which will allow you to cook up VM's within your Windows OS, and use any spare cores you aren't currently using to run Linux distros on Vitual disk folders on your hard-drive. The great thing about it is it is very easy to install and use, and it is free to download from Oracle. You can get ESXi 6.0 (my fave version) free from VMWare, when you come to the point where you have some bare metal to put a hypervisor on. All you have to do is load on the Hypervisor, create a storage pool and a virtual network, then move some Linux ISO's over TFTP so you can install some VM's. It's all made pretty easy so that us server-monkeys can work it. I started out the same way as you, with folks that didnt really understand computers , and I bought a Dell Prescision 490, which is now at work as a demo unit. I also got myself a cisco managed switch so I could learn to build VLAN's and do switch management, but that stuff is all available virtually now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 30, 2018 While we don't know their exact reason for saying no, I'd try and push the education argument. With a secondary machine you can install pretty much any server OS you want, blow up the OS, then try again with same or different OS, all without any harm to data loss on your existing system. It would be a very useful learning tool. I was lucky enough as a kid that as soon as we got a computer, I was pretty much the computer guy to fix any issues with it. So once I was old enough to start saving some good money I could buy whatever computer stuff i wanted. My parents didn't try and dictate any of it. Fast forward to now I have a nice IT career and a mancave at home full of goodies.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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