Moving up to 8600K or 8700K Is this motherboard enough?

[hyperj123]

So I have an AIO H80i v2 on my CPU and a GTX 1060 6gb. I think it's time to make the transition to a new generation and decided on 8th gen processor's. I'm a casual pc gamer at 1080p and want to update my current rig. I don't need many features like SLI but I want the capability to overclock if I want down the road. Will this motherboard be suitable for overclocking?

[NelizMastr]

For the 8600K? Eh kinda, for the 8700K? Hell naw.

[hyperj123]

9 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

For the 8600K? Eh kinda, for the 8700K? Hell naw.

What do you think I could push the 8600k to with this board? 

[dizmo]

Don't listen to @NelizMastr, it's a pretty solid board for overclocking if you're on a lower budget.

As for speeds, it's foolish for anyone to make approximations; every chip is different. You might get an awesome overclocker, you might not.

[Whitemk2]

18 minutes ago, hyperj123 said:

So I have an AIO H80i v2 GTX 1060 6gb. I think it's time to make the transition to a new generation and decided on 8th gen processor's. I'm a casual pc gamer at 1080p and want to update my current rig. I don't need many features like SLI but I want the capability to overclock if I want down the road. Will this motherboard be suitable for overclocking?

Currently have one in my system with a 8600k @ 5.1Ghz no sweat!.

On a 120mm AIO and I need to upgrade that before I can go to 5.2 I know the chip can handle it but my cooling solution currently can't.

Motherboard doesn't seem to be the limiting factor in my equation!

[Streetguru]

35 minutes ago, hyperj123 said:

 

If you're only gaming at 1080p 60hz just save some cash with the R5 2600 vs the i7?
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RyFL29
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RyFL29/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $339.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-04 03:16 EDT-0400

R5 1600 takes the crown for overall value
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NVwy7h
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NVwy7h/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($174.79 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.39 @ OutletPC)
Total: $249.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-04 03:17 EDT-0400

[epsilon84]

15 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

If you're only gaming at 1080p 60hz just save some cash with the R5 2600 vs the i7?
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RyFL29
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RyFL29/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor  ($199.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $339.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-04 03:16 EDT-0400

R5 1600 takes the crown for overall value
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NVwy7h
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NVwy7h/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  ($174.79 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($74.39 @ OutletPC)
Total: $249.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-04 03:17 EDT-0400

The obligatory Ryzen suggestion in Intel threads, gotta love LTT haha.

 

To the OP, that motherboard will be ample to overclock a 8600K/8700K. It has a 10 phase VRM, which should enable 5.0GHz overclocks for the majority of 8600K and 8700Ks as long as you have adequate cooling.

[epsilon84]

53 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

For the 8600K? Eh kinda, for the 8700K? Hell naw.

You have no idea what you are talking about, seriously. I have my 8700K running at 5.0GHz on a lesser motherboard with worse VRMs.

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, epsilon84 said:

The obligatory Ryzen suggestion in Intel threads, gotta love LTT haha.

Yeah just as fast in gaming but double the threads, it's such an odd suggestion hmm?

[hyperj123]

Just now, epsilon84 said:

The obligatory Ryzen suggestion in Intel threads, gotta love LTT haha.

 

To the OP, that motherboard will be ample to overclock a 8600K/8700K. It has a 10 phase VRM, which should enable 5.0GHz overclocks for the majority of 8600K and 8700Ks as long as you have adequate cooling.

Thank you. And I'm not forgetting about a ryzen build just thought I should stick with Intel due to Jay's two cents recent video. 

[Majestic]

26 minutes ago, epsilon84 said:

You have no idea what you are talking about, seriously. I have my 8700K running at 5.0GHz on a lesser motherboard with worse VRMs.

>you have no idea what you're talking about.

>here is this n=1 example of it working

 

that's not how it works mate. You could have just had a lucky chip, or your vrm's are running high in temps and it'll take a while for them to degrade. All sorts of factors could still be at play. Don't call people stupid and then come up with this argument as a rebuttal.

 

25 minutes ago, hyperj123 said:

Thank you. And I'm not forgetting about a ryzen build just thought I should stick with Intel due to Jay's two cents recent video. 

 

Don't listen to JayzTwoDunningKruger...

 

EDIT: just watched it, he's telling people Ryzen is the better deal, what video did you watch?
Only the IPC+Adobe comment is a little...ehhh

 

[Cruorzy]

2 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Don't listen to JayzTwoDunningKruger...

Instead listen to some nobody's on a forum who probably just read from bad sources.

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, hyperj123 said:

Thank you. And I'm not forgetting about a ryzen build just thought I should stick with Intel due to Jay's two cents recent video. 

You'll be perfectly fine on Ryzen and save money for the same core/thread count on the R5s

 

also the soldered IHS is nice, and on X470 you get StoreMI technology to speed up your hard drive with an SSD.

I would listen to this neckbeard sysadmin > jay :^)

 

 

[hyperj123]

5 minutes ago, Majestic said:

>you have no idea what you're talking about.

>here is this n=1 example of it working

 

that's not how it works mate. You could have just had a lucky chip, or your vrm's are running high in temps and it'll take a while for them to degrade. All sorts of factors could still be at play. Don't call people stupid and then come up with this argument as a rebuttal.

 

 

Don't listen to JayzTwoDunningKruger...

 

It would also be more expensive for a ryzen switch. I have to get an am4 bracket for my AIO. which is also why I was going to stick with Intel. Not gonna lie the ryzen bundle I found is a deal. Just not convenient. 

[Majestic]

Just now, Cruorzy said:

Instead listen to some nobody's on a forum who probably just read from bad sources.

No, to better reviewers. Specifically ones that don't sperg out on their audience when they point out mistakes. Jay bans everyone that disagrees with him, which is why he fucks up so much, noone corrects him. 

 

Level1Techs and Gamers Nexus are two examples.

[hyperj123]

I think I can take an opinion ftom all of you about the hardware and not argue who I listen and take advice from. I'm an adult just looking for some insight. I can make decisions. 

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, hyperj123 said:

It would also be more expensive for a ryzen switch. I have to get an am4 bracket for my AIO. which is also why I was going to stick with Intel. Not gonna lie the ryzen bundle I found is a deal. Just not convenient. 

Your original post made it sound like you had a water cooled 1060

Either way if you only had a 120mm AIO it would be highly suggested you use a 240 AIO at minimum for overclocking coffee lake between the power output and the elmer's glue TIM/IHS

[hyperj123]

Just now, Streetguru said:

Your original post made it sound like you had a water cooled 1060

Either way if you only had a 120mm AIO it would be highly suggested you use a 240 AIO at minimum for overclocking coffee lake between the power output and the elmer's glue TIM/IHS

You're right. My apologies. My 2500k has served me well at 4.8ghz. But it's time to move on... Going to edit my post now. 

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, hyperj123 said:

You're right. My apologies. My 2500k has served me well at 4.8ghz. But it's time to move on... Going to edit my post now. 

In any event, I'd go for Ryzen for the reasons above, just a better overall purchase for the money.

If you had an i7 2600K you'd still be mostly fine for gaming thanks to those extra threads.

 

[Majestic]

8 minutes ago, hyperj123 said:

I think I can take an opinion ftom all of you about the hardware and not argue who I listen and take advice from. I'm an adult just looking for some insight. I can make decisions. 

That's odd because I just watched Jay'z video and he's telling people that AMD Ryzen+ is a better deal. The only mistake he makes is saying Intel has better IPC, that's up for debate at the moment. So either we watched a different video or you kind of...mistook what he said.

[epsilon84]

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Your original post made it sound like you had a water cooled 1060

Either way if you only had a 120mm AIO it would be highly suggested you use a 240 AIO at minimum for overclocking coffee lake between the power output and the elmer's glue TIM/IHS

Lol, seriously?

 

My 8700K is air cooled with a Hyper 212. Temps stay below 70C for gaming.

 

To the OP, your choice whether you want to take overclocking advice from non CFL owners...

 

IMHO, a H80i is more than enough for a CFL CPU as long as you don't go crazy on the voltages.

 

If you are happy with 5.0GHz, you don't need a better cooler. If you are shooting for 5.1 - 5.2, then yeah, a better AIO might help, but you'll most likely have to delid the CPU as well

[Streetguru]

Just now, epsilon84 said:

My 8700K is air cooled with a Hyper 212. Temps stay below 70C for gaming.

I assume your CPU isn't under 100% usage during gaming?

[Emberstone]

22 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

I assume your CPU isn't under 100% usage during gaming?

I've got it on a Hyper 212 Evo as well and it sits around the mid 50s or 60s in games like Doom or Overwatch (they both push good CPU usage across all 12 threads) with an all-core turbo of 4.7 GHz at 1.25v (basically manual MCE because I hate MCE voltages), but under full load it'll hit around 80-85 C during a render. So there ain't exactly any headroom beyond just setting all cores to your max single-core turbo, which is only a 400 MHz overclock from the standard all-core turbo.

 

This was the cooler I used when I still had my 1600X, and I just didn't feel like spending more money on a better one.

[epsilon84]

39 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

I assume your CPU isn't under 100% usage during gaming?

Of course not, no game can push a 8700K to 100% usage. BF1 probably hits it the hardest but even then temps are in the 60s, I can't give exact temps as I'm more interested in staying alive than looking at temp fluctuations lol.

 

Worst case temps have been handbrake encoding at 4.9GHz w/AVX offset with 1.36V which pushes temps into the low/mid 80s, a bit higher than I would like but still totally stable and there is no thermal throttling.

[Ashiella]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

Don't listen to @NelizMastr, it's a pretty solid board for overclocking if you're on a lower budget.

As for speeds, it's foolish for anyone to make approximations; every chip is different. You might get an awesome overclocker, you might not.

The lack of a VRM heatsink is a little sus.