i7 8700k vs ryzen 7 2700x for gaming

[RishiB19876]

Simply the title  i7 8700k vs Ryzen 7 2700x

[Jbonn386]

8700k

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, RishiB19876 said:

Simply the title  i7 8700k vs Ryzen 7 2700x

Depends on what else you're doing, but 8 cores is always more fun than 6 cores, and the soldered IHS is nice.

[iRileyx]

8700k

[RishiB19876]

 theyre so evenly balanced i don't even know I do video editing sometimes so im guessing that the ryzen 7 might benefit me more in the long run but i think ill wait for more responses

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Depends on what else you're doing, but 8 cores is always more fun than 6 cores, and the soldered IHS is nice.

Remember when people said cores mattered more than performance back in the FX days? AMD remembers.

 

For gaming 8700k

[Princess Luna]

you should pick the i7 8700k and no the Ryzen 7 2700x will not benefit you in the long run.

 

@App4that I'm sure when you have your awesome 144hz monitor running at under 100fps you'll be laughing of joy that you have a soldered CPU instead indeed

[App4that]

1 minute ago, RishiB19876 said:

AHHHH the torture theyre so evenly balanced i don't even know I do video editing sometimes so im guessing that the ryzen 7 might benefit me more in the long run but i think ill wait for more responses

 

[RishiB19876]

Another thing i forgot to mention I already have a 8700k so i might stick with that

[Mooshi]

My computer does double duties as a server and gaming, if it were pure gaming I'd have probably stuck with Intel. If only a multi billion dollar company would stop being cheap asses with the TIM.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, RishiB19876 said:

Another thing i forgot to mention I already have a 8700k so i might stick with that

If you already own the i7 8700k why did you even do this thread in the first place? LTT these days... facepalm.

[Mooshi]

Just now, RishiB19876 said:

Another thing i forgot to mention I already have a 8700k so i might stick with that

Then this thread was a waste of time.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

you should pick the i7 8700k and no the Ryzen 7 2700x will not benefit you in the long run.

 

@App4that I'm sure when you have your awesome 144hz monitor running at under 100fps you'll be laughing of joy that you have a soldered CPU instead indeed

Yeah, why would I want to have my 1080ti running at 100% utilization? Runs way cooler at 80% utilization. Who needs fps anyway the human eye can't see past 30fps anyway bahahahahahahahaha

[RishiB19876]

Cause i can still return it and my friends are telling me to switch while I have the time but im unsure about the performance boost and if its worth it to go and buy a new motherboard 

[App4that]

Just now, RishiB19876 said:

Cause i can still return it and my friends are telling me to switch while I have the time but im unsure about the performance boost and if its worth it to go and buy a new motherboard 

The 8700k is faster than the 2700X. At best it could be considered a side grade, for gaming a downgrade. 

[Ryujin2003]

1 minute ago, RishiB19876 said:

Cause i can still return it and my friends are telling me to switch while I have the time but im unsure about the performance boost and if its worth it to go and buy a new motherboard 

Stick with what you have.

[Crunchy Dragon]

The 8700K is the absolute best for gaming.

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, RishiB19876 said:

but im unsure about the performance boost

There is no performance boost in gaming specifically, you'd be actually downgrading your CPU for the purpose of gaming.

[Streetguru]

13 minutes ago, RishiB19876 said:

Another thing i forgot to mention I already have a 8700k so i might stick with that

Your only real upgrade is to X299 or X399 and you don't need those for just gaming

[Mira Yurizaki]

27 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

If only a multi billion dollar company would stop being cheap asses with the TIM.

I feel like I need to dig up the topic about this but anyway:

 

• The TIM Intel uses (Dow Corning TC-1996) isn't exactly cheap. While I'm sure they get a bulk discount, you can buy lead-free solder for cheaper than a thing of the TIM in terms of cost per unit mass.
  • It's also not a bad performer either: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/thermal-compound-roundup-august-2011/5/
• Stuff in this article: https://medium.com/@OpenSeason/soldered-cpu-vs-cheap-paste-59fb96a4fca7, but to sum up
  • Intel moved to thermal paste for structural reasons. There are concentrated areas on the die that heat up more than others. This leads to uneven heating which if the die were soldered, would lead to thermal fatigue and the creation of cracks. AMD still uses solder because Zen dies have hot spots that are evenly spread out.
  • Initial reports of delidding processors, replacing the TIM, and seeing much improved results can be traced to the smaller gap between the heat spreader and die due to scraping off the heat spreader glue during the delidding process. Distance is a huge factor in heat transfer through a TIM.
  • Higher thermal conductivity doesn't always mean better performance. At some point performance flatlines regardless of how conductive the TIM is.

[SliceT]

Intel because you can actually overclock nicely and have a decent boost while AMD their boost is working as good as if you overclock by urself. get a nice motherboard like Taichi or Crosshair and will fly.

[DarkSmith2]

1 hour ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I feel like I need to dig up the topic about this but anyway:

 

• The TIM Intel uses (Dow Corning TC-1996) isn't exactly cheap. While I'm sure they get a bulk discount, you can buy lead-free solder for cheaper than a thing of the TIM in terms of cost per unit mass.
  • It's also not a bad performer either: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/thermal-compound-roundup-august-2011/5/
• Stuff in this article: https://medium.com/@OpenSeason/soldered-cpu-vs-cheap-paste-59fb96a4fca7, but to sum up
  • Intel moved to thermal paste for structural reasons. There are concentrated areas on the die that heat up more than others. This leads to uneven heating which if the die were soldered, would lead to thermal fatigue and the creation of cracks. AMD still uses solder because Zen dies have hot spots that are evenly spread out.
  • Initial reports of delidding processors, replacing the TIM, and seeing much improved results can be traced to the smaller gap between the heat spreader and die due to scraping off the heat spreader glue during the delidding process. Distance is a huge factor in heat transfer through a TIM.
  • Higher thermal conductivity doesn't always mean better performance. At some point performance flatlines regardless of how conductive the TIM is.

No its about money, pretty sure. You have to make a gold plating on IHS and DIE to solder with indium, its not about the costs of the solder itself.

[Ebony Falcon]

Gaming no questions asked 8700k

 

2700x is close to stick 8700k and that's because of xfr2 pushin 4.2ghz

 

and that's ryzen pretty much tapped out where as a 8700k running at stock all core 4.3 is laughable, 99 percent hit 4.9 ghz and 87 hit 5ghz.

 

then you oc your cache 4.7ghz

 

then you have the better memory support 3600 no sweat 

 

once you start ocing the 8700k it's just in a different league 

 

 

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

No its about money, pretty sure. You have to make a gold plating on IHS and DIE to solder with indium, its not about the solder costs itself.

Which I still don't believe it was solely to save costs because again of the structural issue presented in the Medium blog post.

 

AMD hasn't had this problem because they design their dies such that the hot spots are spread out evenly.

[Jon Jon]

i7-8700K

 

If you are only gaming, there is no reason to go Ryzen.

 

Since you already own the i7-8700K, just enjoy it.

You should be spending your brain power on delidding and what 240MM or 360mm AIO you want to strap to it for that magical 5ghz+ OC