Ok so.......

[Seefer]

With the cost of video cards today I decided to do a "prebuilt" machine using letsbld (I love NZXT don't judge) and this is what I am getting https://www.letsbld.com/BLD#!/?shared=0066275505

 

After watching a ton of videos I saw very little FPS difference in games from an OC 1700 and an 8700k (oddly) with a GTX 1080 ti, plus going AMD also gives me the option to upgrade to Ryzen 2 when it comes out if I so choose, so what do you think of this build?

 

Oh and seeing as it doesn't show the video card for some reason it comes with this EVGA GTX1080TI 11GB FTW GAMING ACX 3.0

[killer5247]

Can you tell me your budget for some reason te link is not opening up ?

[userzero]

Pure gaming rig then stay Intel. IME.

[Cyberspirit]

5 minutes ago, killer5247 said:

Can you tell me your budget for some reason te link is not opening up ?

Here's a screencap:

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[killer5247]

4 minutes ago, Cyberspirit said:

Here's a screencap:

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Btw i saw your signature you have pretty beast rig. You can just grab a 7700k and a 1080 ti you dont need to spend that much

[Cyberspirit]

1 minute ago, killer5247 said:

Btw i saw your signature you have pretty beast rig. You can just grab a 7700k and a 1080 ti you dont need to spend that much

I'm not the OP  Just thought I'd give you a screencap of their budget since your browser wasn't loading the site.

[Princess Luna]

Will play at 60fps = Ryzen

Will play at 120/144/240fps = Coffee Lake

 

That simple.

[BarisERY]

Solid

[Zyndo]

1 hour ago, Seefer said:

After watching a ton of videos I saw very little FPS difference in games from an OC 1700 and an 8700k (oddly) with a GTX 1080 ti

Depends on so many factors and how much of a fanboy the presenters are... but I'll try to simplify it for you...

 

An R7 1700 @ 4GHz vs an 8700k @ 5GHz, the result is the 8700k has roughly a 30% single core improvement over the Ryzen chip***. That doesn't mean you get 30% more fps in your games though, as often times even a 1080ti, even at 1080p, cannot generate enough fps to stress these CPU's in most titles at ultra (or above) settings. Only when the GPU is not the limiting factor (AKA, the bottleneck) will you see any benefit to having an 8700k over the 1700 in gaming. So basically, if you're not going to play CPU intensive titles at high framerates (144hz or more IMO) then you're correct, Ryzen will perform almost identically to an 8700k under these conditions.

 

You could make an argument for thread count here, but I'm unsure of any games which scale beyond 12 threads. On that note, it's worth mentioning that the 8700k is ~30% faster per core/thread(as discussed earlier, and based on those metrics) and the R7 has 33% more threads.... so the ONLY time the R7 is actually truly better than the 8700k is only if it's at 100% full utilization... and then it's only barely better.... and many people will be able to get more than 5GHz out of their 8700k if they invest enough in their cooling (or get lucky in the lotto), whilst it's almost impossible to get more than 4GHz out of an R7 1700.

 

 

So yes, for many users the difference between the R7 1700 and 8700k isn't going to be a lot. and lots of people may not be that extreme about overclocking. Back when it was 7700k vs Ryzen, Ryzen was an incredibly sensible and bulletproof argument for nearly everyone. Now that the 8700k has enough cores that Ryzen is less impressive in that area, it's basically a wash on threads, but the 8700k still has the single core advantage by a pretty significant margin.... so going forward, as games become more CPU intensive, and/or as graphics cards become much more powerful thus allowing us to push much higher framerates which leads to more demand from the CPU to keep up, the 8700k should show itself to be a better gamer across the board by as much as about 30% (or a bit more if you push it past 5GHz).

Of course you could also just game at 4k and then none of this matters since GPU's are currently nowhere near powerful enough to reach framerates high enough to properly stress CPU's at this resolution haha.

 

TLDR; Can't see your link brah.

 

 

***(both fairly high overclocks but also reasonably attainable for a lot of people provided they have enough cooling, this also assumes properly calibrated memory on both platforms)

[Seefer]

I should mention this is for gaming and streaming, currently only playing Overwatch but will be adding more games to my library, my budget is 2800 but I also need another monitor.

 

For those who can't see the parts 

 

NZXT S340 Elite (White)    99.99
ASUS Crosshair VI ATX AM4    234.99
AMD - RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core    289.99
EVGA SuperNova G2 850W    159.99
EVGA GTX1080TI 11GB FTW GAMING ACX 3.0    819.99
G.SKILL TridentZ Series RGB 3200 MHz    259.99
NZXT Aer RGB 140 Fan (RGB)    34.99
NZXT Kraken X62    159.99
MICROSOFT Windows 10 Home    109.99
CRUCIAL MX300    89.99
Seagate Barracuda 1TB    49.99
NZXT USB Expansion    24.99
NZXT HUE+    59.99
 

[Seefer]

And then there is this build 

 

NZXT S340 Elite (White)    99.99
MSI Z370 GAMING PRO CARBON AC    209.99
INTEL Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core    419.99
EVGA SuperNova G2 850W    159.99
EVGA GTX1080TI 11GB FTW GAMING ACX 3.0    819.99
G. SKILL Ripjaws V Black 2666 MHz    209.99
MICROSOFT Windows 10 Home    109.99
CRUCIAL MX300    89.99
NZXT Kraken X52    149.99
NZXT USB Expansion    24.99
NZXT Aer RGB 140 Fan (RGB)    34.99
NZXT HUE+    59.99
Seagate Barracuda 1TB    49.99

 

[AMDPRO]

I like the AMD build personally due to the upgrade path. It is very unlikely that 10nm intel will use Z370.

[Suika]

The 8700k will have better gaming performance by far, which is good if you're aiming for high framerate gameplay. Ryzen overclocked should handle Overwatch at 200+FPS just fine, but if you intend on expanding your library, it's hard to say if you would be able to hit 144+Hz if that's a concern. 

 

Ryzen will have the additional threads which might be handy for x264 encoding for a stream, but Intel still offers QuickSync and GPUs can stream just fine, unless you're aiming for absolute best quality. You can also upgrade down the road with Ryzen, but realistically you could with Intel too, you'd just need a new motherboard with any new chip.

[Seefer]

Next question, is it worth the 1080 ti over 1080?

[Suika]

3 minutes ago, Seefer said:

Next question, is it worth the 1080 ti over 1080?

I'm biased and will say yes, but it depends on your resolution. If you're just playing 1080p, you could save a few dollars and drop to a 1070 Ti / 1080. If you plan on playing higher resolutions or running as high of a quality setting as you can, a 1080 Ti might be worth it.

[Seefer]

4 minutes ago, Suika said:

I'm biased and will say yes, but it depends on your resolution. If you're just playing 1080p, you could save a few dollars and drop to a 1070 Ti / 1080. If you plan on playing higher resolutions or running as high of a quality setting as you can, a 1080 Ti might be worth it.

1440p

[Suika]

16 minutes ago, Seefer said:

1440p

At 1440p, definitely a 1080 Ti.

 

[Seefer]

5 hours ago, Suika said:

At 1440p, definitely a 1080 Ti.

 

What if I want 1080p? Still worth it? Also I am not sure if you know but is 24" or 27" better for FPS gaming like Overwatch, Destiny 2 etc?