I'm tired of Linus giving people horrible building advice.

[minervx]

Just now, Hiya! said:

Why bother sir?

You are adding more problem to your life by making this thread.

Was it worth it?
If he gives you a stupid advice or u dislike his videos press that dislike button.

I already unsub Him cause most of his recent videos is like just for an easy money to fulfill their deadline and i am also tired of his lawl content.

I miss when they gives a good unbiased reviews videos like in the past.

The only linus channel i still subscribed is Techquickie cause its useful and informative.

 

 

Because I want to help people make practical build decisions for their needs.  Many people come from his channel on this community.  The same reason that many people post on here.

 

[Armakar]

1 minute ago, minervx said:

 

I'm not against the i7-8700k.  It just frustrates me that people who don't know much about tech will automatically improve performance in every scenario.  Most people don't game at 144 Hz and most people don't actually edit professional-grade creative content.

compared to ryzen the 8700k will automatically improve performance in the vast majority of situations, multithreaded it beats / matches Ryzen and dumpsters it on anything using =< 12 threads.

 

assuming the user isn't stupid, the 8700k literally does just automatically improve performance.

[Ryois]

@minervx

 

What about this video? Linus doesn't give overly priced builds.

[minervx]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

 

Then again shame on whoever only uses entertainment videos as research for parts to buy.

 

I have nothing against entertainment tech.  Just like with fictionalized historical documentaries, they are fine in the context of entertainment.  

 

But hundreds of people are actually coming onto this forum with the impression that they need an i7 for their recording studio among other fallacies, and it's clear that Linus is playing a part in misleading people.

[Master Disaster]

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

One would hope so... but then you see all the children with actual builds featuring stuff like the i7 7740x or i3 7350k and then you realized how much of an issue his influence can be

 

Then again shame on whoever only uses entertainment videos as research for parts to buy.

Yeah, I certainly can't deny he probably has influenced many builds but I don't for one second think that's his intention.

 

Stupid is as stupid does.

[minervx]

Just now, Ryois said:

@minervx

 

What about this video? Linus doesn't give overly priced builds.

 

Like I said, Linus does have practical videos on his channel.  But what are young viewers who don't know alot about tech going to veer more toward wanting: the one practical build he makes every year, or the dozens of rgb water cooled builds he makes every month.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, minervx said:

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Hey Linus used to say "you only need an i5 for gaming, any thing above that is waste of money" then he shows stupidly over priced i5 6600k build that an i7 6700 on a h110 ended up cheaper and actually greater performing... one should always research further to find the best deal regardless if you're shopping at low, mid or high ends.

[Alariel]

We must not be watching the same videos. I cannot count the times he has pointed out the power efficiency and how you don't need an overkill power supply. Or that you don't need this or that component unless you're gaming at 4k. Or his preference for mafugly noctua fans over anything flashy. And yeah, he does ridiculously high-end builds sometimes, and completely impractical stuff like "let's see how many gamers we can stuff onto this one machine", and stupid but fun stuff, but isn't that why a lot of people watch his channels?

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, minervx said:

 

I have nothing against entertainment tech.  Just like with fictionalized historical documentaries, they are fine in the context of entertainment.  

 

But hundreds of people are actually coming onto this forum with the impression that they need an i7 for their recording studio among other fallacies, and it's clear that Linus is playing a part in misleading people.

It's not Linuses fault people believe non sense, do you blame Terry Prachetts Discworld because people believe the earth is flat?

 

If you watch his stuff you'll notice he's very good at pointing out when he's doing dumb stuff and very good at telling people what the right way to do things is.

 

Some people don't get that entertainment doesn't transfer into real life very well.

[minervx]

5 minutes ago, Armakar said:

compared to ryzen the 8700k will automatically improve performance in the vast majority of situations, multithreaded it beats / matches Ryzen and dumpsters it on anything using =< 12 threads.

 

assuming the user isn't stupid, the 8700k literally does just automatically improve performance.

what situations?  144 hz gaming?  yes.  content creation workflow for a career?  yes.  but where does that leave the other 95% of the population?

the 8700k (over a 7700k or 6700k) is not going to improve gaming performance on a 60hz monitor.  

 

it wouldn't make a difference for casual content creators, any more than a 42 piece drum set would for someone who has only dabbled in drumming.

[Hiya!]

6 minutes ago, minervx said:

Because I want to help people make practical build decisions for their needs.

So you are that type of guy then

Keep doing it and help those poor souls!

[Armakar]

Just now, minervx said:

what situations?  144 hz gaming?  yes.  content creation workflow for a career?  yes.  but where does that leave the other 95% of the population?

the 8700k (over a 7700k or 6700k) is not going to improve gaming performance on a 60hz monitor.  

 

it wouldn't make a difference for casual content creators, any more than a 42 piece drum set would for someone who has only dabbled in drumming.

95% of the population? interesting statistic...

What about CPU bound games? Yes it certainly WILL improve performance on a 60HZ monitor. And yeah, for casual content creators it does make a difference, I speak as someone who has owned the 4790k, 6700k (and 7700hq) the 8700k is noticeably faster in content creation.

[minervx]

20 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

It's not Linuses fault people believe non sense, do you blame Terry Prachetts Discworld because people believe the earth is flat?

 

If you watch his stuff you'll notice he's very good at pointing out when he's doing dumb stuff and very good at telling people what the right way to do things is.

 

Some people don't get that entertainment doesn't transfer into real life very well.

 

I'm not saying what should or shouldn't be.  I'm just telling it like it is.  Yes, Linus's videos are promoting a ghetto fabulous culture in PC gaming and yes they are influencing people to get low ROI's for their dollar.

 

With similar logic, should we deny that McDonalds markets junk food to young kids most of the time just because they apples on their menu?

 

17 minutes ago, Armakar said:

95% of the population? interesting statistic...

What about CPU bound games? Yes it certainly WILL improve performance on a 60HZ monitor. And yeah, for casual content creators it does make a difference, I speak as someone who has owned the 4790k, 6700k (and 7700hq) the 8700k is noticeably faster in content creation.

For those who do have a mid-range CPU and feel like they want faster times, of course, an i7-8700k is the best consumer-end content creation option out right now.

 

However, I'm extremely skeptical of people saying they've just begun a hobby and need a liquid cooled 8700k before they can truly begin pursuing it.  

[Sauron]

"pimp my ride" videos are specifically about looks and brands and not as much about performance.

8 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

1. It's not entirely true, you needed an i7 for any GPU equivalent/faster to a GTX 1070/980Ti to avoid bottlenecking, this has changed with Coffee Lake bringing 6-cores to mainstream i5s, but it remains true for any quad-core i5.

That really depends on the resolution you're playing at.

16 minutes ago, minervx said:

It's not one of his videos, but his videos in general.  In most of his builds, he always adds i7's, 32-64 gb ram, and so on, creating the conception to a lot of his viewers that this is standard, when it's really just marketing.  

 

are there people who need coffee lake i7s?  absolutely.  will most people who want good gaming performance and general productivity benefit at all from an i7?  not really.

 

someone who doesn't know a lot about computers and goes to linus's channel for insights is going to get the wrong impression.

 

more is not always better.  some of the pc builds i've seen on here are like my cousin buying an $800 iphone with the world's best processor just to look at facebook.

They almost always clarify which parts are overkill and which are there simply because they have them lying around. Furthermore, their "performance per dollar" build guides are generally fairly spot on - even though I often wouldn't pick exactly what they did, they still give a pretty good indication of what someone on a budget should be looking for in a pc.

Take this one for example:

Spoiler

 

I don't see an i7 with 64gb of ram in this video.

31 minutes ago, minervx said:

You only need an i7 if you're gaming above 60 frames.

 

Don't buy a premium cooler for a CPU that can't overclock.

 

GPU's are getting more power efficient with each gen.  You don't need to future proof your power supply at 800-1000w.

 

Good air cooler > flashy RGB budget liquid cooler

 

$20 case fans are a horrible value proposition for mid-range builds

 

8GB RAM will game just as well as 16 GB 99% of the time.

 

Forget a gaming chair.  Get a chair with good support.

 

Forget a gaming headset.  Get headphones with good audio quality.

 

A gaming keyboard isn't going to make you win more.

 

"I need a build for general productivity" =/= "I'm building a machine to design 4K movies for Pixar on a daily basis"

These are all things that can be learned with a few hours of research. You can't expect LTT to reiterate on them every. single. video. Everything you said here are things they have covered in the past, all with performance and value analysis. For some videos they'll just have to assume the audience is familiar with these basic concepts, or they'll end up making the same video every time.

35 minutes ago, minervx said:

A lot of his Pimp My Ride videos lead people into buying parts which are flashy-looking or going for the most high-end specs regardless of real-world performance.  I've seen at least dozens of posts on the Build Help forum in which people plan to spend $2000 to make builds like the ones in Linus's videos where they can basically the same performance for <$1400.

That's why people come here, they don't know what they're doing and are looking for help. I'm sure at some point you didn't know how to build a computer either. Coming here with a bad build idea is better than going through with it without asking, isn't it? One LTT video isn't going to cover everything you need to build your own system and you shouldn't expect it to. Besides, LTT is more about doing wonky stuff with high end hardware than about building boring, average computers. That's been the case almost ever since the channel started - I remember one of the first LTT videos I watched being about nVidia surround with 3d vision on 3 projectors with a gtx 590.

Spoiler

 

Surely you wouldn't consider this buyer advice...?

[Sfekke]

@minervx I have no idea where you ever noticed @LinusTech saying you need extravagant systems to play games.

I noticed you post a lot of things without much reason/info/etc, I even remember having a long lasting argument with you.

 

LMG does this do differentiate from the competition, their quality is pure overkill.

It is awesome to see, but of course you shouldn't buy it all for some gaming. You could, but you shouldn't.

[Sauron]

Just now, Sfekke said:

@minervx I have no idea where you ever noticed @LinusTech saying you need extravagant systems to play games.

In fact, he has said more than once during the wan show that he would never buy an 800$ graphics card for himself with his own money, or a 400$+ cpu purely for games.

[minervx]

The idea that Linus makes overkill builds just because he has the parts lying around is kind of strange.  

 

Why not make the majority of builds on the channel based on builds that are more in tune with what his viewers would buy?

 

Basically, companies like Corsair want to increase sales for their high-end products.  Selling 4 8GB sticks of RAM is better than selling 2, of course.  And they use Linus to market them.  Most of the marketing here is aesthetics and nerdporn rather than real world productivity or enjoyment.  It's no different than using sex to market Axe body spray.  And like I said, I'm not against the freedom to market this.  But there just needs to be more honesty that half of Linus' channel is just marketing for luxury products rather than "tech tips".

[Sfekke]

7 hours ago, Sauron said:

In fact, he has said more than once during the wan show that he would never buy an 800$ graphics card for himself with his own money, or a 400$+ cpu purely for games.

He also said that on other occasions.

When he was younger he actually did it scarpyard wars style, buy used and game on previous gen hardware.

But do you expect a guy with all of this hardware on he's disposal not to use it?

That is like having a carwash for yourself, but washing your car manually. You could, but hey you own the place use it!

 

7 hours ago, minervx said:

The idea that Linus makes overkill builds just because he has the parts lying around is kind of strange.  

 

Why not make the majority of builds on the channel based on builds that are more in tune with what his viewers would buy?

 

Basically, companies like Corsair want to increase sales for their high-end products.  Selling 4 8GB sticks of RAM is better than selling 2, of course.  And they use Linus to market them.  Most of the marketing here is aesthetics and nerdporn rather than real world productivity or enjoyment.  It's no different than using sex to market Axe body spray.  And like I said, I'm not against the freedom to market this.  But there just needs to be more honesty that half of Linus' channel is just marketing for luxury products rather than "tech tips".

There are enough channels for budget builds.

He does budget builds, but a budget options doesn't constantly appear.

To make you happy, consider those extreme builds fillers.

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[JoostinOnline]

I believe it was in Scrapyard Wars S1 where he said that if he were to ever do a budget build, it would be used.  That's why he never does budget videos.  There is no MSRP for used components.

 

I liked how you complained about a bunch of stuff supposedly in his videos, but when asked for videos you couldn't provide them.

[Sauron]

5 minutes ago, Sfekke said:

He also said that on other occasions.

When he was younger he actually did it scarpyard wars style, buy used and game on previous gen hardware.

But do you expect a guy with all of this hardware on he's disposal not to use it?

That is like having a carwash for yourself, but washing your car manually. You could, but hey you own the place use it!

Exactly.

[minervx]

Just now, JoostinOnline said:

I believe it was in Scrapyard Wars S1 where he said that if he were to ever do a budget build, it would be used.  That's why he never does budget videos.  There is no MSRP for used components.

I don't buy that argument one bit.  There's nothing stopping him from making budget builds based on used parts (which are generally within the typical used price range).  Except for the fact that he gets paid for advertising MSRP products.

 

There is nothing wrong with being sponsored.  I'm not calling him a sell out at all.    But people should just be honest that he does this instead of saying that he would do X, Y and Z if he could.

[minervx]

7 hours ago, Sfekke said:

There are enough channels for budget builds.

He does budget builds, but a budget options doesn't constantly appear.

To make you happy, consider those extreme builds fillers.

 

None of this is personal.  I have nothing against Linus or this forum.  Just because I disagree with something doesn't mean I want to leave or that I have any ill wishes on anyone.

 

I'm perfectly okay with Linus having an entertainment channel.  However, I just really think that the mods here should at least make a sticky to detox people from the marketing hype.

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[JoostinOnline]

Just now, minervx said:

I don't buy that argument one bit.  There's nothing stopping him from making budget builds based on used parts (which are generally within the typical used price range).  Except for the fact that he gets paid for advertising MSRP products.

 

There is nothing wrong with being sponsored.  I'm not calling him a sell out at all.    But people should just be honest that he does this instead of saying that he would do X, Y and Z if he could.

I've been watching 6700k prices for the past month.  Minimum prices have been everywhere from $280USD to $220USD.  Literally every time I watch for used components, there is a huge shift on prices day by day, with the exception of it being the latest product (for example, the 7700k stayed steady).

 

I also noticed that your profile says you have 16GB of RAM.

[minervx]

Just now, JoostinOnline said:

I also noticed that your profile says you have 16GB of RAM.

 

This post is about building advice and not about personal egoes or anything.

 

 

Should a person who won't benefit from 16 GB buy 16 GB just because of whether I have it or not?

 

 

[JoostinOnline]

Just now, minervx said:

 

This post is about building advice and not about personal egoes or anything.

 

 

Should a person who won't benefit from 16 GB buy 16 GB just because of whether I have it or not?

How do you know the person won't need it?

 

You are so whiney.