General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Zando_]

1 hour ago, panther420 said:

Cool.

 

Also, I wanted to ask you - would you be ok if I made a general x99 xeon/i7 discussion inspired by this thread? I just want to make sure I'm not ripping you off/you're cool with it. I just want to have it as a resource for anyone with x99 systems, especially with xeons, like I have.

No prob! The more the merrier! And then we can get more peeps over on the XCMR. 

[purple_rider]

4 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

No prob! The more the merrier! And then we can get more peeps over on the XCMR. 

You should start a XCMR subreddit.

[panther420]

5 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

No prob! The more the merrier! And then we can get more peeps over on the XCMR. 

Alright, it's been made! Here it is:

 

[Dr. KEK]

I've got the upgrade itch, but my x5650 4.5GHz is a perfect match for my 2560x1080 screen(75Hz). 

 

If i got 7800x and 32gb ddr4(3200mhz), i would need 4k 21:9... Such decisions

[Zando_]

3 hours ago, Dr. KEK said:

I've got the upgrade itch, but my x5650 4.5GHz is a perfect match for my 2560x1080 screen(75Hz). 

 

If i got 7800x and 32gb ddr4(3200mhz), i would need 4k 21:9... Such decisions

Hmmmm... if you have the monies, go for it. Otherwise you should be good. 

[Xa3phod]

Guys..any idea what this is?

 

https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/sop/d/supermicro-sever-motherboard/6389110415.html

[panther420]

7 hours ago, Xa3phod said:

Guys..any idea what this is?

 

https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/sop/d/supermicro-sever-motherboard/6389110415.html

It says on the listing. Looking the term h8dme ex up, it seems like he has mislabeled it, as it is really an H8DME-2 LS006. In terms of what kind of CPU's it can take, it appears to take Socket F processors (Athlon 64 era Opterons). They do look like 1366 at first, but they are not. It is triple socket, a very rare occurrence.

 

EDIT: Upon further investigation, I am second guessing whether he mislabeled this very peculiar board. From ServeTheHome forums:

So I would guess that the H8DME-EX was a 3Leaf OEM exclusive board, explaining why it is not on the SuperMicro website, only H8DME-2. Like the post said, 3Leaf was using it to build a scalable supercomputer. Another poster also mentions that the third socket is likely for a CPU serving as the ASIC for the fabric interconnect. I'm not exactly sure what that means, but my guess would be that they need a CPU dedicated on its own to handle the high bandwidth interconnect they were running through it. Very interesting.

[panther420]

Alright, good news! I just went to freegeek to volunteer today and I purchased the gigabyte ex58-ud5, i7-950, 6gb of ocz gold and stock cooler combo for a grand total of $20 (because of my volunteer credit). I have some pictures of the board itself and some info about it below in the imgur album. Unfortunately I did not get a lot of time with it, so I was only able to install windows 7, run cpu-z  and not much else. I probably won't get to test it again for a while. 

 

https://imgur.com/a/LOckS

 

I guess I'm now officially part of the XCMR!

[Pasi123]

This is what my first X58 system looks like nowadays.  I didn't care about cable management back when I was still using that PC.

It is a first gen. HP Z400 so it have only 4 ram slots and doesn't support 6-core CPU's(?)

 

Current specs:

Intel Xeon W3550 (same as i7-950)

4gb Corsair RAM

Asus GeForce GT 610

Asus Xonar DGX 5.1

120gb SSD + 2TB, 1TB and 500GB HDD

 

Specs back when I was using it:

Intel Xeon W3520 (same as i7-920)

12gb DDR3

Asus GeForce GTX 660 DCUII

Asus GeForce GT 610

Asus Xonar DGX 5.1

120gb SSD + 2TB, 1TB and 500GB HDD

[Zando_]

Just now, Pasi123 said:

This is what my first X58 system looks like nowadays.  I didn't care about cable management back when I was still using that PC.

It is a first gen. HP Z400 so it have only 4 ram slots and doesn't support 6-core CPU's(?)

 

 

Current specs:

Intel Xeon W3550 (same as i7-950)

4gb Corsair RAM

Asus GeForce GT 610

Asus Xonar DGX 5.1

120gb SSD + 2TB, 1TB and 500GB HDD

 

Specs back when I was using it:

Intel Xeon W3520 (same as i7-920)

12gb DDR3

Asus GeForce GTX 660 DCUII

Asus GeForce GT 610

Asus Xonar DGX 5.1

120gb SSD + 2TB, 1TB and 500GB HDD

Noice! And probs still good for some old games when you're feeling nostalgic. 

[NoxiousOdor]

11 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

This is what my first X58 system looks like nowadays.  I didn't care about cable management back when I was still using that PC.

It is a first gen. HP Z400 so it have only 4 ram slots and doesn't support 6-core CPU's(?)

 

Current specs:

Intel Xeon W3550 (same as i7-950)

4gb Corsair RAM

Asus GeForce GT 610

Asus Xonar DGX 5.1

120gb SSD + 2TB, 1TB and 500GB HDD

 

Specs back when I was using it:

Intel Xeon W3520 (same as i7-920)

12gb DDR3

Asus GeForce GTX 660 DCUII

Asus GeForce GT 610

Asus Xonar DGX 5.1

120gb SSD + 2TB, 1TB and 500GB HDD

 

9 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Noice! And probs still good for some old games when you're feeling nostalgic. 

 

Minus the gpu it is better than the computer I threw together for my roommate 

[Zando_]

Just now, WhisperingKnickers said:

 

 

Minus the gpu it is better than the computer I threw together for my roommate 

How is Xaldin?

[NoxiousOdor]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

How is Xaldin?

He's good, he has been plaing a lot of LoL recently

 

[Ground]

Most replied non-pinned topic now

 

Well, went through all the Xeons now and the best one remained the fourth one. Went to take it a bit further to 5.0GHz , but only for the CPU-z valdiation; temps are absolutely terrible for this chip above 1.5V (they all run different temps - my second best Xeon was colder at 1.65V (76°C while validating) than this one at 1.6V(86°C while validating))

[panther420]

3 hours ago, Ground said:

Most replied non-pinned topic now

 

Well, went through all the Xeons now and the best one remained the fourth one. Went to take it a bit further to 5.0GHz , but only for the CPU-z valdiation; temps are absolutely terrible for this chip above 1.5V (they all run different temps - my second best Xeon was colder at 1.65V (76°C while validating) than this one at 1.6V(86°C while validating))

Wow, that is still really good for an E5640! Didn't you say you had gotten a Celsius S36 360mm aio for testing? Those are still good temps with that cooler considering the voltage you are putting through it, that's almost like ln2 levels lol.

 

I would be very curious to see your results on a chip with better silicon, like the X5690. Though you would probably run into mobo vrm limitations with your X58 pro-e. I wish I wasn't such an overclocking noob, then my newly acquired Gigabyte EX58-UD5 and its fancy vrm cooling would be more useful.

[Zando_]

11 hours ago, panther420 said:

I wish I wasn't such an overclocking noob, then my newly acquired Gigabyte EX58-UD5 and its fancy vrm cooling would be more useful.

Same here. I have a great mobo, but IDK how to utilize it fully. But after plugging in numbers from a Youtube vid my CPU runs at 4.2GHz no prob, so I can't really complain.

[Ground]

12 hours ago, panther420 said:

Wow, that is still really good for an E5640! Didn't you say you had gotten a Celsius S36 360mm aio for testing? Those are still good temps with that cooler considering the voltage you are putting through it, that's almost like ln2 levels lol.

 

I would be very curious to see your results on a chip with better silicon, like the X5690. Though you would probably run into mobo vrm limitations with your X58 pro-e. I wish I wasn't such an overclocking noob, then my newly acquired Gigabyte EX58-UD5 and its fancy vrm cooling would be more useful.

Nope, my order sadly got cancelled, still running air cooling here. The Quad Cores at 32nm are reasonable cool at up to 1.55V, after that it gets pretty bad. 

 

My boards VRMs are indeed quite problematic (5phases aren‘t great for OC), though it can handle high BCLKs very well. It also doesn‘t work well with the x56** xeons, so these are basically the best except for the 980x, 990x, w3680 and w3690 which are much more expensive. As well as that - I‘ve gone through 10 Xeons to find one that did 5GHz at reasonable voltages (=voltage I could supply under air). My e5649 did 4.75 at 1.43V (but hits my BCLK limit there), but its also a decent chip - 6 cores at 2.5 with an 80W TDP...

[NoxiousOdor]

10 minutes ago, Ground said:

Nope, my order sadly got cancelled, still running air cooling here. The Quad Cores at 32nm are reasonable cool at up to 1.55V, after that it gets pretty bad. 

 

My boards VRMs are indeed quite problematic (5phases aren‘t great for OC), though it can handle high BCLKs very well. It also doesn‘t work well with the x56** xeons, so these are basically the best except for the 980x, 990x, w3680 and w3690 which are much more expensive. As well as that - I‘ve gone through 10 Xeons to find one that did 5GHz at reasonable voltages (=voltage I could supply under air). My e5649 did 4.75 at 1.43V (but hits my BCLK limit there), but its also a decent chip - 6 cores at 2.5 with an 80W TDP...

Sometime I might need to learn a little about overclocking from you.

 

I don't know if you are interested but I have a Rampage 3 formula for sale. I had someone else interested but I haven't heard back fro them in a while. If they don't work out do you want it?

[Dr. KEK]

On 11/19/2017 at 12:20 AM, Zando Bob said:

Hmmmm... if you have the monies, go for it. Otherwise you should be good. 

for anyone interested. wait a couple years.

 

rig 1: 4500mhz i7 7800x, rx580

rig 2: 4500mhz xeon x5650 rx480

rig 3: i3 laptop

 

this is only for multiworkload. the new instruction sets help the new chips, obviously.

 

[Dr. KEK]

the interesting part is the clock-for-clock MIPS, or mips/core/clock. the i3 is just nearly as efficient as the 7800x

[panther420]

1 hour ago, Dr. KEK said:

for anyone interested. wait a couple years.

 

rig 1: 4500mhz i7 7800x, rx580

rig 2: 4500mhz xeon x5650 rx480

rig 3: i3 laptop

 

this is only for multiworkload. the new instruction sets help the new chips, obviously.

 

Hmm, goes to show Intel's blatant complacency in the last few years. I think it would be really cool to see some more  exhaustive benchmarking from your 7800X versus x5650 as well, not that this program is bad (I'm probably just oblivious to other benchmarks), but I'd like to  see more popular benches. It would demonstrate to those considering an upgrade from x58 to maybe wait a little longer, and the internet really lacks proper benchmarks for these "deal" CPU's right now like the X5650, E5-2670, X3440, etc. 

 

A few suggestions for programs to run: For CPU benchmarks, cinebench, GeekBench, Aida64 benchmark. For both cpu and gpu benchmarks including games, pretty much any variant of 3dmark you feel most appropriate, premiere pro, sony vegas, gta v, battlefield 1, doom, pubg, whatever games you think most people play. I'd be interested to see  the results

[Zando_]

29 minutes ago, panther420 said:

Hmm, goes to show Intel's blatant complacency in the last few years. I think it would be really cool to see some more  exhaustive benchmarking from your 7800X versus x5650 as well, not that this program is bad (I'm probably just oblivious to other benchmarks), but I'd like to  see more popular benches. It would demonstrate to those considering an upgrade from x58 to maybe wait a little longer, and the internet really lacks proper benchmarks for these "deal" CPU's right now like the X5650, E5-2670, X3440, etc. 

 

A few suggestions for programs to run: For CPU benchmarks, cinebench, GeekBench, Aida64 benchmark. For both cpu and gpu benchmarks including games, pretty much any variant of 3dmark you feel most appropriate, premiere pro, sony vegas, gta v, battlefield 1, doom, pubg, whatever games you think most people play. I'd be interested to see  the results

Also, try CSmark, made by our very own @AluminiumTech. He can tell you about all the fancy math it does, but I use it for stress testing and it's super handy. 

[Dr. KEK]

1 hour ago, panther420 said:

Hmm, goes to show Intel's blatant complacency in the last few years. I think it would be really cool to see some more  exhaustive benchmarking from your 7800X versus x5650 as well, not that this program is bad (I'm probably just oblivious to other benchmarks), but I'd like to  see more popular benches. It would demonstrate to those considering an upgrade from x58 to maybe wait a little longer, and the internet really lacks proper benchmarks for these "deal" CPU's right now like the X5650, E5-2670, X3440, etc. 

 

A few suggestions for programs to run: For CPU benchmarks, cinebench, GeekBench, Aida64 benchmark. For both cpu and gpu benchmarks including games, pretty much any variant of 3dmark you feel most appropriate, premiere pro, sony vegas, gta v, battlefield 1, doom, pubg, whatever games you think most people play. I'd be interested to see  the results

Ya i did 3dmark vantage. I posted it in my 7800x build thread. Cpu got 50,000 on 7800x and only 35000 on x5650 (same clock speed on both). 

 

The RAM speed is accurate too. 28GB/s was blazing fast back then. Now, with my SSDs tapping 4000 MB/s, multiple transfers can max out this ceiling if blocks are read to RAM before going back to the SSD. 

 

So it's good to see quad channel 3200mhz(or 3000mhz i cant remember) is better than triple channel ddr3. And i have good ddr3. 48GB/s gives us some more headroom.

[Dr. KEK]

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/840351-7800x-build/?tab=comments#comment-10542458

[Dr. KEK]

The 7800x was on Linus $2k gaming pc build. In the official video. Really wish there was a 9800x....