General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[CommanderAlex]

2 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Those are easy to get, EVGA has em on sale for like $99 sometimes. The CPUs are the expensive part of X299. And I guess a PSU to power them, a 7980XE can pull 700W or more - by itself - when pushed IIRC. 

Yeah I was just asking him since he's going from a 10700K to a 7980XE so I wasn't too sure if he knew they were different sockets. I disassembled my X299 rig and upgraded to Ryzen as the IPC performance is much more superior to even a 10980XE (this performed worse than my i7-9800X). I still have the i7-9800X and X299 motherboard just in case. 

 

1 hour ago, the pudding said:

Not at current, but these obtaining them for a reasonable price is trivial round these parts 

Yeah depending on how much you want to spend for features that you need. 

[the pudding]

1 hour ago, SpiderMan said:

Yeah I was just asking him since he's going from a 10700K to a 7980XE so I wasn't too sure if he knew they were different sockets. I disassembled my X299 rig and upgraded to Ryzen as the IPC performance is much more superior to even a 10980XE (this performed worse than my i7-9800X). I still have the i7-9800X and X299 motherboard just in case. 

 

Yeah depending on how much you want to spend for features that you need. 

Ahh yeah I've been playing with PC stuff for the best part of 13 years now, I know it's a different socket and all, it's more just that I change hardware a LOT as some of the regulars here can attest to  I decided I wanted something new to play with and I found that the skylake-X parts are getting pretty damn cheap now so thought to bite the bullet since I've played with a 2950X already so may as well see what the other end is like and all 

Yeah, I've still got the 10700k kit to shift and some large ish SSD's too so that'll help on that front so that's not too much of a concern, and there are some good boards about for not a huge amount of money locally so all golden there 

[the pudding]

seems it's time to ree a bit lul 

[the pudding]

here we go again lul 

[the pudding]

well this one doesn't seem to be fake so that's nice, just got to wait a little bit till I can sort a board to see if it's working or not, if not i've got a 2 year warranty on it so I'm golden either way 

[Aveniform]

After some more experimentation, this is probably the highest I can push my X5650:

 

Cinebench R15: 1,029 multicore @ 4.554 GHz (BCLK: 207, Multiplier X22, Vcore 1.48V)

 

Cinebench R20: 2,150 multicore @ 4.532 GHz (BCLK: 206, Multiplier x22, Vcore 1.496V)

 

I need slightly higher voltage to make a successful Cinebench R20 pass compared to R15. If I push any higher I will run into a Catch-22 situation with my current hardware. If I attempt 4.6 GHz or higher Cinebench will simply crash, or Windows will BSOD (not surprising). Raising voltage to 1.5V or above at 4.6 GHz leads to such high temperatures that I will throttle down to around 3.8 GHz or even lower, which is obviously not ideal. I could upgrade my cooling setup further, but my Noctua NH-U12P is already great at 4 GHz, which is my setting for daily use, and I want to remain on air cooling for simplicity. I'm already content as I've seen other people who have lost the silicon lottery and are unable to get their X5650 past 4 Ghz. For $14 Cdn dollars on AliExpress I have matched the performance of a slightly overclocked i7-6700K on paper, and I really cannot ask for any more from this venerable platform!

[the pudding]

On 9/6/2021 at 6:57 AM, Aveniform said:

After some more experimentation, this is probably the highest I can push my X5650:

 

Cinebench R15: 1,029 multicore @ 4.554 GHz (BCLK: 207, Multiplier X22, Vcore 1.48V)

 

 

Cinebench R20: 2,150 multicore @ 4.532 GHz (BCLK: 206, Multiplier x22, Vcore 1.496V)

 

 

I need slightly higher voltage to make a successful Cinebench R20 pass compared to R15. If I push any higher I will run into a Catch-22 situation with my current hardware. If I attempt 4.6 GHz or higher Cinebench will simply crash, or Windows will BSOD (not surprising). Raising voltage to 1.5V or above at 4.6 GHz leads to such high temperatures that I will throttle down to around 3.8 GHz or even lower, which is obviously not ideal. I could upgrade my cooling setup further, but my Noctua NH-U12P is already great at 4 GHz, which is my setting for daily use, and I want to remain on air cooling for simplicity. I'm already content as I've seen other people who have lost the silicon lottery and are unable to get their X5650 past 4 Ghz. For $14 Cdn dollars on AliExpress I have matched the performance of a slightly overclocked i7-6700K on paper, and I really cannot ask for any more from this venerable platform!

Those are some damn nice scores out of an X5650, it's really surprising how long lasting X58 has been, it's on it's way towards not being much use, but it's lasted a long time and it's still decent, especially if you can get a cheap board, very good, nicely done with that clock and all 

[the pudding]

Today was a fun day, yet to dial in my overclock properly buuuuuuuuuuut we're getting there, this cpu definitely needs a delid though lul, 1.3v 4.6GHz it gets up to the mid 90s under water, also need to dial my memory in properly, just running a quick and dirty memory clock of 3600MHz 16 16 16 34 1T but I may see what clocks I can get out of the ram running splaves tight b-die timing profile which iirc was 12 12 12 24 1T but I'm not expecting *too* much from that lul, but we'll see, ram is just 4x8 of patriot viper steel 4400 C19 so pretty decent b-die 

[the pudding]

Hmmm, bit of a question for those that have some experience with skylake/skylake-x, I'm trying to dial in my memory OC and I'm not really too familiar with the OC side of modern intel as far as memory goes, for VCCSA and VCCIO which does which and what's, roughly, the max voltage for daily use? I'm having a hard time getting really very much actually stable memory wise and I'm not sure exactly if it's not enough SA, IO or just the memory controller getting hot and complaining about that, the ram isn't getting all that hot so in theory it shouldn't be that 

 

[GrockleTD]

5 hours ago, the pudding said:

Hmmm, bit of a question for those that have some experience with skylake/skylake-x, I'm trying to dial in my memory OC and I'm not really too familiar with the OC side of modern intel as far as memory goes, for VCCSA and VCCIO which does which and what's, roughly, the max voltage for daily use? I'm having a hard time getting really very much actually stable memory wise and I'm not sure exactly if it's not enough SA, IO or just the memory controller getting hot and complaining about that, the ram isn't getting all that hot so in theory it shouldn't be that 

 

i wish i could help but i've only ever set an XMP profile for my skylake system

[the pudding]

14 hours ago, GrockleTD said:

i wish i could help but i've only ever set an XMP profile for my skylake system

Yeah, it was a bit of a longshot in all honesty as that's what most people do, XMP isn't going to work so well in this case since it's 4400MHz Cl19 b-die stuff lmao 

[the pudding]

Figured it out, I needed the system agent offset, not just VCCSA and VCCIO, this is what I settled for daily wise 

[tiershitxeonoc]

Hi! this is the setup:

 

https://valid.x86.fr/ry9jsc

 

Should i buy Corsair Dominator 2000 mhz 9-10-9-27 @1.65v 3x4G or buying a W3680 better? (fun fact W3680 at half price) 

 

Thanks for any suggestions...

[Zando_]

3 hours ago, tiershitxeonoc said:

Hi! this is the setup:

 

https://valid.x86.fr/ry9jsc

 

Should i buy Corsair Dominator 2000 mhz 9-10-9-27 @1.65v 3x4G or buying a W3680 better? (fun fact W3680 at half price) 

 

Thanks for any suggestions...

You should be able to get way more clock out of an X5675 unless you lucked out and just got a super shite bin, they usually hit at least 4.5GHz very consistently. Unless it's a bin issue with your CPU (which would mean replacing it is rerolling that silicon lottery for a hopefully better result) I'd keep it and go for the faster RAM. 

[tiershitxeonoc]

2 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

You should be able to get way more clock out of an X5675 unless you lucked out and just got a super shite bin, they usually hit at least 4.5GHz very consistently. Unless it's a bin issue with your CPU (which would mean replacing it is rerolling that silicon lottery for a hopefully better result) I'd keep it and go for the faster RAM. 

Honestly i didnt try higher than this one cause im tired of getting stuck bios and Os. My problem was im very noob at the memory timings and my ram sticks sucks too... Its regular hyperx 1600mhz. When i was to able get in Os with 1866 mhz i didn't care about the rest 

 

What should i give vcore for 4.4~5ghz? And one thing too i cant set the cpu ratio to 24 its annoying as hell... is this normal?

 

Edit: https://valid.x86.fr/qdv7t9 

 

With 178bclk x 25 I give 1.4 vcore load line is enabled and hyperthreading is disabled its seems fine hope it survive this night.

 

[the pudding]

1 hour ago, tiershitxeonoc said:

Honestly i didnt try higher than this one cause im tired of getting stuck bios and Os. My problem was im very noob at the memory timings and my ram sticks sucks too... Its regular hyperx 1600mhz. When i was to able get in Os with 1866 mhz i didn't care about the rest 

 

What should i give vcore for 4.4~5ghz? And one thing too i cant set the cpu ratio to 24 its annoying as hell... is this normal?

 

Edit: https://valid.x86.fr/qdv7t9 

 

With 178bclk x 25 I give 1.4 vcore load line is enabled and hyperthreading is disabled its seems fine hope it survive this night.

 

Yeah ram is a big one as far as X58 clocking goes since clocks are tied to the bclk, keep in mind though that one thing that'll help with stability if you need it, is that you can run the uncore at half memory speed on 5600 series/westmere procs 

 

vcore for daily I'd stick around 1.4v max but if you need say 1.425v to get to around 4.5GHz then that's not going to kill it either, at least not quickly anyways, though honestly for an X5675 really your absolute worst should be around 4.5GHz with 1.4v with HT enabled so it seems that you may have gotten a bad bin unfortunately, though I've run into this too, I've had much better luck with X5670s than I have with X5675's myself, not had a single X5670 that won't do 4.5GHz but I've had plenty of 5650's, 5660s and 5675's that can't do 4.5GHz at anything below 1.4v

[Zando_]

4 hours ago, tiershitxeonoc said:

Honestly i didnt try higher than this one cause im tired of getting stuck bios and Os. My problem was im very noob at the memory timings and my ram sticks sucks too... Its regular hyperx 1600mhz. When i was to able get in Os with 1866 mhz i didn't care about the rest 

 

What should i give vcore for 4.4~5ghz? And one thing too i cant set the cpu ratio to 24 its annoying as hell... is this normal?

I was running 4.54Ghz on an X5675 for a year or so at around 1.38v IIRC. With 1.4-1.45v you should be able to hit higher, depends on bin ofc and some chips will hit a hard wall and refuse to go any faster. Don't touch the RAM settings (other than to force them as low as they can go to keep stable) until you've got CPU clocks where you want them. 

 

CPU multiplier is kinda eh, so long as it's on the highish end you're good, 90% of the work is done by BCLK clocks. For high clocks you'll often need 200+ on the BCLK. 

4 hours ago, tiershitxeonoc said:

With 178bclk x 25 I give 1.4 vcore load line is enabled and hyperthreading is disabled its seems fine hope it survive this night.

It'll survive more of the night. You can run 1.45v through these chips for extended periods of time with little issue, hell they'd probably take 1.5v for a while. Not that I'd recommend you put the voltage that high, sticking around 1.38-1.42v, max at 1.45v (depending on your board's LLC tiers, it'll up voltage under load to avoid vDroop, so watch for that), is usually best. 

 

That's about all the advice I can give, I haven't really messed with any of my X58 stuff for a year or two now. 

 

[tiershitxeonoc]

4 hours ago, the pudding said:

keep in mind though that one thing that'll help with stability if you need it, is that you can run the uncore at half memory speed on 5600 series/westmere procs 

Thats helps a lot! https://valid.x86.fr/1bxjqu this is the best I can. its better then before no more input lag while gaming.

 

When turning on hyperthreading its crashes immediately when windows log in. I will try later that on... Probably not best binned one 

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

It'll survive more of the night. You can run 1.45v through these chips for extended periods of time with little issue, hell they'd probably take 1.5v for a while. Not that I'd recommend you put the voltage that high, sticking around 1.38-1.42v, max at 1.45v (depending on your board's LLC tiers, it'll up voltage under load to avoid vDroop, so watch for that), is usually best. 

 

Right, I set vcore to 1.4 with LLC enabled its jumps 1.42~ when cpu loads... Thanks a lot for basics.

 

 

[the pudding]

8 minutes ago, tiershitxeonoc said:

Thats helps a lot! https://valid.x86.fr/1bxjqu this is the best I can. its better then before no more input lag while gaming.

 

When turning on hyperthreading its crashes immediately when windows log in. I will try later that on... Probably not best binned one 

 

Right, I set vcore to 1.4 with LLC enabled its jumps 1.42~ when cpu loads... Thanks a lot for basics.

 

 

one tip to try actually in relation to LLC that can help a little with stability, turn your LLC down so that you get a little bit (not a lot, but just a bit) of vdroop under load as this can help with transient response, idle voltage isn't super important within reason as it's the current that does damage so as long as your load voltage is where you want it then it can help but that's a trial and error type thing in any case 

[the pudding]

So I caved and bought a streacom test bench thing, a little disappointed with some of the machining work (but that may just be me being picky as it's not up to the standard I'd usually work to) but other than that it's great, easy and simple to assemble and all that, great bit of kit

[Aveniform]

All things come to pass, and I sold my X58 PC. I had a lot of fun on this platform, with hunting down cheap parts and overclocking my X5650 which turned out to be a surprisingly good performer. However, once I finished playing with overclocking and got the parts I wanted, there was nothing much more to do. I already had other machines for productivity and general use, so this PC ended up sitting unused most of the time. So after a few months, the decision to sell the PC to a good home while the parts maintained some relevance and value was an inevitable one. I must reiterate again I really enjoyed the process of digging through old forum posts and reading through this helpful thread. Anyways, here are some pictures of the final form of the PC:

 

 

 

Bon voyage!

 

 

[the pudding]

On 11/6/2021 at 10:19 PM, Aveniform said:

All things come to pass, and I sold my X58 PC. I had a lot of fun on this platform, with hunting down cheap parts and overclocking my X5650 which turned out to be a surprisingly good performer. However, once I finished playing with overclocking and got the parts I wanted, there was nothing much more to do. I already had other machines for productivity and general use, so this PC ended up sitting unused most of the time. So after a few months, the decision to sell the PC to a good home while the parts maintained some relevance and value was an inevitable one. I must reiterate again I really enjoyed the process of digging through old forum posts and reading through this helpful thread. Anyways, here are some pictures of the final form of the PC:

 

Bon voyage!

 

 

All good things must come to an end, she'll be missed o7

[Slayer3032]

I hate to do this but I've also finally upgraded, scored a Crosshair Dark Hero and a 5800x for $150 off from B&H a couple months back. I'll avoid posting my ugly tarnishing NH-D14 with a fan missing on the Intel HEDT thread. I still have the X58 P6T X5660 home server but upgrades/changes are far from likely with that unless something happens to it.

 

Real end of an era, it had two power supplies die on it. It received liquid "poured" directly into it killing half the fans and a PSU within a month without my knowledge at the time. It was overclocked from the moment my i7 930 was removed from the box. For years it was ran in dual channel because I couldn't bring myself to remove the heatsinks from my $300 G.Skill Pi Series 6GB kit. It's seen 4 cases, 5 or 6 sets of fans, 4 psus, 4 gpus, 3 cpus and 4 different memory setups, IDE drives, DVD burners, a floppy drive, 8+ sata drives, sata ssds, 3 nvmes and like a hundred bios flashes. It almost made it 12 years of daily use and abuse and it easily could keep going.

 

 

None of my spare coolers are compatible with LGA1366 though, I had a Zalman cooler new in box but that definitely isn't up to the task of 4.5ghz@1.425v so it's only been turned on once or twice since I had to rob the NH-D14 from it and evict it from my Meshify 2 Compact. That changed today though after my $30 Corsair A500 arrived, which definitely doesn't support LGA1366 but we'll see about that.

 

I noticed that the Corsair A500's mounting kit was very similar to Noctua's Secufirm. Well, actually I should reword that as a complete ripoff because it's about 1mm from being compatible with all of Noctua's mounting hardware and uses a smaller stud. Otherwise it's entirely the same, even the Noctua brackets that attach to the cooler fit perfectly but unfortunately the coldplate is just a hair wider than my NH-D14

 

 

 

Using the Corsair brackets instead with the Secufirm backplate seemed to do the trick. I'm concerned about the mounting height from the board though. The LGA1366 Secufirm kit spacers match the height of the LGA11xx spacers provided with the A500, the Noctua brackets seem to be a few mm shallower but the sprung screws on the Corsair brackets have about that much extra below the bracket. I remember something about the LGA1366/LGA2011 and LGA775/LGA1156 change over having differences in height where people would use washers to convert older coolers but I can't seem to find any specifics. Does anyone know if there's any significant difference in IHS/socket height between LGA11xx and LGA1366?

 

So far though it seems to be running at acceptable temps, I'll have to figure out what drive it should be using and then it can at least run some really nice web browsers, AFK in games or run assorted windows software that I can't run on something on a better suited build.

 

The A500 is a tight fit in a Cooler Master Scout, and when I say tight fit I mean the side panel rubs the cooler only just an acceptable amount but still fits. I'll leave the metal garnish plate off the cooler just so it doesn't get scuffed by the side panel but I'm fairly sure it just touches on top edges of the fan holders. It's still supposedly hitting the single core turbo at 4.68ghz and idles at 25-30c on the cores. Can't say it wouldn't see 90c+ at full tilt due to poor case airflow but it's definitely never going to see workloads like that anyways.

[TopHatProductions115]

@Slayer3032 It's beautiful!

[drevmcast]

What's up guys! Long time no see.

It has been months since I thought about my x58 boards, they're still sitting in storage. I didn't have any plans to get more until I made an offer on this board with bent pins.

 

Motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-7TESM - with 5 LAN ports and the optional SAS connections which make this board so desirable. Using my boxcutter I was able to bend some pins back to a correct-ish location. This motherboard is notable as it was featured in JDM_WHAAAT's " $145 Nas Killer 2.0," Once I saw it I had to buy it.

https://www.serverbuilds.net/145-nas-killer-v20

 

 

Well at least all of the ram and both CPUs were detected, that's a win, but like all exotic hardware of this age there is bound to be a mound of headaches.

 

 

Ubuntu 21 livedisk worked perfect for testing out some light videobrowsing and testing, but I wasn't able to verify the SAS controller was detected or working. It could have to deal with some of the bent pins that I was dealing with on the motherboard. Hard to tell, and I don't want to rip into my working desktop to get my only powersupply out.

 

 

X58 still lives on! And that means I have some extra boards laying around... Hope you guys have a good day, and a happy 2022!