General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[the pudding]

Landed a rampage 5 extreme with a 5820k for £150 and snagged a 5960x for another 50, should be some fun to play with once those come in, until then I'm 'stuck' on x58 lul 

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, the pudding said:

Landed a rampage 5 extreme with a 5820k for £150 and snagged a 5960x for another 50, should be some fun to play with once those come in, until then I'm 'stuck' on x58 lul 

Nice! Both are awesome chips, do be sure you have very chonk cooling though, in my experience once you add more than 1.3v vCore (these chips do 1.35v safe daily) they become a furnace, my 5820K would hit 93C under P95 load on an NH-D15S. Though @Damascushas suggested it may be linked to RAM speed somehow, as they only behave like that with 3000Mhz or higher RAM (I run 3200Mhz). Probably something I should test at some point. 

Do be careful with the ASUS board though, IIRC the first revisions could randomly fry CPUs, it was apparently a problem ASUS just didn't address until the revisions/new boards for Broadwell-E. 

[the pudding]

23 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Nice! Both are awesome chips, do be sure you have very chonk cooling though, in my experience once you add more than 1.3v vCore (these chips do 1.35v safe daily) they become a furnace, my 5820K would hit 93C under P95 load on an NH-D15S. Though @Damascushas suggested it may be linked to RAM speed somehow, as they only behave like that with 3000Mhz or higher RAM (I run 3200Mhz). Probably something I should test at some point. 

Do be careful with the ASUS board though, IIRC the first revisions could randomly fry CPUs, it was apparently a problem ASUS just didn't address until the revisions/new boards for Broadwell-E. 

Yeah I recall my previous 5960X which I was running 4.6 1.35v on with a H150i in about 2018 ran really rather toasty, though it'll be on a mora 3 so I'm not too too worried about cooling  it'll be interesting to see what I can do ram wise though since it's a good kit of b-die already (though I reckon I'll need to update the bios for that if it's not already, I recall that some early bioses don't like b-die at all), 

 

Yeah, I remember those articles around the launch too, I seem to recall that those were usually the X99 deluxe skew of boards rather than the rampages if memory serves but my memory on that is spotty so if I'm wrong it wouldn't surprise me lul

[Zando_]

7 minutes ago, the pudding said:

Yeah I recall my previous 5960X which I was running 4.6 1.35v on with a H150i in about 2018 ran really rather toasty, though it'll be on a mora 3 so I'm not too too worried about cooling  it'll be interesting to see what I can do ram wise though since it's a good kit of b-die already (though I reckon I'll need to update the bios for that if it's not already, I recall that some early bioses don't like b-die at all),

Whew yeah that should be plenty of cooling lol. Best of luck with the RAM, AFAIK X99 is poor for RAM OC as it's the first DDR4 platform so thus some teething issues for boards + IMCs, but I haven't fiddled with it myself much. I need to dive into safe voltage limits again and see what I can push my kit to (just a basic 3200Mhz CL16 kit but apparently the die itself can take 1.5v+, I'm just not sure what's safe for the CPU's IMC) before I upgrade to X299 and see if that does better. 

10 minutes ago, the pudding said:

Yeah, I remember those articles around the launch too, I seem to recall that those were usually the X99 deluxe skew of boards rather than the rampages if memory serves but my memory on that is spotty so if I'm wrong it wouldn't surprise me lul

Seeing a few reports of X99 Sabertooth and R5E boards doing it also: https://www.overclock.net/threads/5960x-dead.1561131/page-3, though it does seem to be mostly the Deluxe. Wonder if that's just due to those boards being cheaper than the higher end cousins, so larger sample size = more people running into issues. I've also personally had a 5960X that came out of an R5E, it was dead as a doorknob. 

 

I don't have the time to read through that whole thread, but it looks to be related to the OC socket + possibly auto voltages. If your board isn't one of the funky ones, and/or you keep a good eye on the voltages, it shooould be fine. 

[the pudding]

34 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Whew yeah that should be plenty of cooling lol. Best of luck with the RAM, AFAIK X99 is poor for RAM OC as it's the first DDR4 platform so thus some teething issues for boards + IMCs, but I haven't fiddled with it myself much. I need to dive into safe voltage limits again and see what I can push my kit to (just a basic 3200Mhz CL16 kit but apparently the die itself can take 1.5v+, I'm just not sure what's safe for the CPU's IMC) before I upgrade to X299 and see if that does better. 

Yeah, plenty of cooling so should be good on that front at least, and yeah, I'm certainly not expecting to get anything much out of it ram wise, but slow and tight may not be a bad shout, but hell even 3000 CL16 shouldn't be a bad move and all like, will give me plenty of tweaking time mind you  though the IMC's on big haswell are pretty fragile, that's how my first 5960X died 

 

38 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

eeing a few reports of X99 Sabertooth and R5E boards doing it also: https://www.overclock.net/threads/5960x-dead.1561131/page-3, though it does seem to be mostly the Deluxe. Wonder if that's just due to those boards being cheaper than the higher end cousins, so larger sample size = more people running into issues. I've also personally had a 5960X that came out of an R5E, it was dead as a doorknob. 

 

I don't have the time to read through that whole thread, but it looks to be related to the OC socket + possibly auto voltages. If your board isn't one of the funky ones, and/or you keep a good eye on the voltages, it shooould be fine. 

Ahhh so I was a bit off then, I'll have to hope for the best then it seems lul, but if it is related to auto voltages then it should be fine since I never run auto anything if I can avoid it but we'll soon find out, at least the processors are cheap now and I'll have a spare 5820K either way

[DogKnight]

On 5/3/2022 at 2:38 AM, the pudding said:

Landed a rampage 5 extreme with a 5820k for £150 and snagged a 5960x for another 50, should be some fun to play with once those come in, until then I'm 'stuck' on x58 lul 

Good score. Great to see the prices are coming down. It's about time really!

Currently using an OEM Xeon E5 2678v3 in my X99 system that I use for a home lab. Prior to that was running a 5820k. I only ever ran a 2666 DDR4 with it at the time and never tried anything faster. 

[the pudding]

3 hours ago, DogKnight said:

Good score. Great to see the prices are coming down. It's about time really!

Currently using an OEM Xeon E5 2678v3 in my X99 system that I use for a home lab. Prior to that was running a 5820k. I only ever ran a 2666 DDR4 with it at the time and never tried anything faster. 

Not too shabby, solid bit of kit that like 

 

and yeah it's nice to see things coming down, I've had plenty quicker than X99 but honestly my pc needs really aren't all that much so I tend to bounce around from old to new kit and vice versa for fun, though I am half tempted to look at one of the xeons and another board to replace my aging T7500, though there is an X99 SOC champion on ebay for a good price so I'm half tempted to grab that for the daily and run the rampage with a xeon for the server, either that or just move to something like an i7 2700/3370 non k for the server since really it's just a nas and an mc server anyways so no need for super powerful like and at that point the rampage would become a backup board along with the 5820K to replace my old X58 kit which is my current backup hardware or something 

[the pudding]

Am I right in thinking that X99 is finicky with ram, specifically b-die, board and cpu have arrived and I just get a 53 error on the debug, I recall hearing somewhere that early bioses on X99 boards will just up and refuse to boot b-die but I can't seem to find much on that when googling, I don't actually have any other DDR4 on hand so have to wait till tomorrow to go grab a cheap bargain basement ddr4 dimm from cex for the grand total of £6 so if that and a bios update sorts it I'm not too fussed as far as cost goes, as far as with haswell E shenanigans is there a known bios that's best for that or do we reckon best just to go for latest

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, the pudding said:

Am I right in thinking that X99 is finicky with ram, specifically b-die, board and cpu have arrived and I just get a 53 error on the debug, I recall hearing somewhere that early bioses on X99 boards will just up and refuse to boot b-die but I can't seem to find much on that when googling, I don't actually have any other DDR4 on hand so have to wait till tomorrow to go grab a cheap bargain basement ddr4 dimm from cex for the grand total of £6 so if that and a bios update sorts it I'm not too fussed as far as cost goes, as far as with haswell E shenanigans is there a known bios that's best for that or do we reckon best just to go for latest

Never tried with b-die so I can't say if the die itself is the issue. I think my kits are micron and hynix. For the BIOS thing, I just go with the latest available for my boards. 

[GillyMoMo]

3 minutes ago, the pudding said:

Am I right in thinking that X99 is finicky with ram, specifically b-die, board and cpu have arrived and I just get a 53 error on the debug, I recall hearing somewhere that early bioses on X99 boards will just up and refuse to boot b-die but I can't seem to find much on that when googling, I don't actually have any other DDR4 on hand so have to wait till tomorrow to go grab a cheap bargain basement ddr4 dimm from cex for the grand total of £6 so if that and a bios update sorts it I'm not too fussed as far as cost goes, as far as with haswell E shenanigans is there a known bios that's best for that or do we reckon best just to go for latest

Yes this a very true statement. This actually goes for all of C612 chipsets for that matter. I have some OLY sticks that refused to work in all 3 of my X99 builds and my dual socket C612 SuperMirco board. They certainly worked in my 10700K build. So yes it's very hit or miss.

[the pudding]

17 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Never tried with b-die so I can't say if the die itself is the issue. I think my kits are micron and hynix. For the BIOS thing, I just go with the latest available for my boards. 

Hopefully that'll sort it, that said I did find a few threads on hwbot talking about b-die overclocking on the RVE so I may try those first mind you 

 

16 minutes ago, GillyMoMo said:

Yes this a very true statement. This actually goes for all of C612 chipsets for that matter. I have some OLY sticks that refused to work in all 3 of my X99 builds and my dual socket C612 SuperMirco board. They certainly worked in my 10700K build. So yes it's very hit or miss.

Ahh yeah, the kit I have specifically is a set of viper steels (specifically the 4000 CL16 kits), but I have seen reports of the 4000 CL19 and 4440 CL19 kits working fine, ultimately the 4000 CL16 is the same tier of bin as the 4400 CL19 but just low latency iirc so in theory it should work with a newer bios if what I've read is correct, soon find out in any case 

[the pudding]

Tangentially, I have since learned that the 5960X I've got on the way is a J batch, that'll be fun to see how far that can go  

[Zando_]

5 minutes ago, the pudding said:

Tangentially, I have since learned that the 5960X I've got on the way is a J batch, that'll be fun to see how far that can go  

Mine is a j-bin, nothing special for these CPUs, does a crisp 4.7Ghz allcore/3.7 uncore at ~1.3v vCore, 4.5GHz at ~1.2v. No matter the voltage I can't get it to go any higher, 4.8 is shaky and 4.9 will boot with HT off and benching voltages, but BSODs near instantly, so it's not a great bench chip but it's a monster daily. Slight lead over a 4.2Ghz Broadwell-E chip, which is a normal clock for those (some will hit 4.4 but that's less than common AFAIK). My 6950X at 4.2GHz got the exact same single core score in cinebench R20 as my 5960X at 4.5 and runs cooler doing it, so I'm fine losing the bit of performance vs the 4.7 I could be running. 

[the pudding]

3 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Mine is a j-bin, nothing special for these CPUs, does a crisp 4.7Ghz allcore/3.7 uncore at ~1.3v vCore, 4.5GHz at ~1.2v. No matter the voltage I can't get it to go any higher, 4.8 is shaky and 4.9 will boot with HT off and benching voltages, but BSODs near instantly, so it's not a great bench chip but it's a monster daily. Slight lead over a 4.2Ghz Broadwell-E chip, which is a normal clock for those (some will hit 4.4 but that's less than common AFAIK). My 6950X at 4.2GHz got the exact same single core score in cinebench R20 as my 5960X at 4.5 and runs cooler doing it, so I'm fine losing the bit of performance vs the 4.7 I could be running. 

If it'll do 4.7 I'll be happy with that lul, but then these are cheap enough now that I could grab a few more mind you, will have to se how things go with this one 

Yeah, I may look into a 6950X one day to play with but that may be a little ways off yet 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, the pudding said:

If it'll do 4.7 I'll be happy with that lul, but then these are cheap enough now that I could grab a few more mind you, will have to se how things go with this one 

Yeah, I may look into a 6950X one day to play with but that may be a little ways off yet 

Broadwell is very nice, the IPC bump is sweet, they just don't clock well like Skylake did later. Having 10c/20t is fun though, so if you can score one for a reasonable price then I recommend em. 

[the pudding]

3 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Broadwell is very nice, the IPC bump is sweet, they just don't clock well like Skylake did later. Having 10c/20t is fun though, so if you can score one for a reasonable price then I recommend em. 

Yeah, will have to see of I get lucky with one price wise, more likely, knowing me, I'll wind up changing to something else before then anyways lul 

[Zando_]

40 minutes ago, the pudding said:

Yeah, will have to see of I get lucky with one price wise, more likely, knowing me, I'll wind up changing to something else before then anyways lul 

Ez solution, keep all of it then wonder why the hell you have like 5 or 6 motherboards and CPU combos taking up your entire lounge (I have 2 SR-2s, one that I have gotten to boot before and one that is broken, the boxes for those are the size of a coffee table). 

[the pudding]

7 minutes ago, Zando_ said:

Ez solution, keep all of it then wonder why the hell you have like 5 or 6 motherboards and CPU combos taking up your entire lounge (I have 2 SR-2s, one that I have gotten to boot before and one that is broken, the boxes for those are the size of a coffee table). 

Lmao, that's the classic too, I'll be keeping hold of some of it mind you, if either this 5960X or 5820K are reasonable clockers then I'll be keeping hold of either one of them for backup hardware, if I can get this RVE working with my b-die then it'll probably be that which gets relegated to backup/test hardware since I'm planning on grabbing an X99 SOC formula on ebay for a good price if it's still there when I get a refund from a Z490 aorus xtreme that didn't work for me like 

[the pudding]

Ahh so this is a shame, got a cheapy bargain basement DDR4 dimm and this boots properly, however, I've tried a few different bioses, a few that were touted as better for big haswell and then the latest and it still doesn't like my b-die which sucks some, but 'slow' 3000 and 3200mhz ddr4 is cheap as chips nowadays so this isn't the end of the world, just a minor annoyance (though does mean me waiting until I get my refund through from the aorus xtreme)

[DogKnight]

Just in case anyone that frequents this thread missed it, if you have any insight into the issue I am having with one of my systems outlined in this post, please let me know.

 

 

 

[the pudding]

Hopefully my 5960X rolls up today, if I'm lucky it's just that the 5820K has a weak IMC and can't handle the b-die, otherwise it's new ram time lul

[the pudding]

Hmmm, what do we reckon the chances are of this rampage 5 just not liking this kit of b-die as opposed to all b-die? current kit is 2 2x8 kits of viper steel 4000MHz CL16, great ram (and I was in no means expecting to get even anywhere near that don't worry), though I've found an older kit of g-skill F4-3200C14Q2's on the ebay machine for a good price, just more basic 3200MHz 14 14 14 34 1.35v stuff, I'd like to get this up and running as soon as I can ideally so I'd prefer to not have to deal with having to go through multiple kits if I can avoid it, if memory serves this is an X99 era kit though so I wonder if that plays into it too, though I know the pcb revision doesn't play into this as my 4000 kit is an A1 PCB but the low end 4gb 2133P stick that I tried worked fine and that is also an A0 pcb

[the pudding]

So it seems that my board was not allergic to b-die, just my fast 4000 CL16 kit, ordered the 3200 Cl14 kit monday, arrived today and it's rock solid stable so far 

[GillyMoMo]

So what does one do with a pair of 2699v3's? So I have a bit of a first world problem.

 

I just bought two 2699v3's. I currently have dual 2690v3's in my Super Micro board and three X99 Boards in use. Two have 1660v3's in them and a 5820K (My sister has it and I am not touching it anytime soon). I am trying to debate if I just drop the 1660's and put a 2699 in each and cluster the three boxes via proxmox or move the 2690s to the X99 boards? Choices choices. 

[Zando_]

3 hours ago, GillyMoMo said:

So what does one do with a pair of 2699v3's? So I have a bit of a first world problem.

 

I just bought two 2699v3's. I currently have dual 2690v3's in my Super Micro board and three X99 Boards in use. Two have 1660v3's in them and a 5820K (My sister has it and I am not touching it anytime soon). I am trying to debate if I just drop the 1660's and put a 2699 in each and cluster the three boxes via proxmox or move the 2690s to the X99 boards? Choices choices. 

If you don't need the clockspeed from the 1660s, 2699v3 is a massive core boost so they'd be more useful for any sorta VM stuff or multithreaded tasks.