RX Vega looks terrible

[IsaacThePooper]

56 isn't that much faster than a 1070 and the 1080 beats the 64 in come cases, which is fine, but the prices don't really reflect a huge competitive advantage against Nvidia.

 

My main problem is the power consumption, why is it so terrible? 

 

I feel bad for AMD, we all over hyped this like crazy and they had to pause the release because of the GPU market being saturated by miners.

Stupid miners!

 

Just my thoughts, things could totally change in the future.

[StarsOfPaleidas]

What hype?

[WereCat]

The power consumption is a feature. More cards will be available for gamers since not so many miners will buy it because of it.

[IsaacThePooper]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

The power consumption is a feature. More cards will be available for gamers since not so many miners will buy it because of it.

Oh, I see.

[Aosphor]

7 minutes ago, IsaacThePooper said:

56 isn't that much faster than a 1070 and the 1080 beats the 64 in come cases, which is fine, but the prices don't really reflect a huge competitive advantage against Nvidia.

 

My main problem is the power consumption, why is it so terrible? 

 

I feel bad for AMD, we all over hyped this like crazy and they had to pause the release because of the GPU market being saturated by miners.

Stupid miners!

 

Just my thoughts, things could totally change in the future.

I feel like the MSRP of the Rx VEGA 56 was adjusted due to the mining craze, I mean imagine if the mining thing didn't happen you'd still be getting a 1070 for 350-410, and imagine if the RX VEGA 56 was like 350 like the release price of the 1070.

 

[IsaacThePooper]

I really hate miners right now.

I get that your basically just investing money, but inherintly your sucking the market out of people who are just trying to use the product like it's supposed to.

I'm really scared for RX Vega with mining, because he hash rate is 100/mhz, which is 5x more than the RX 480.

 

RIP

[S w a t s o n]

3 minutes ago, IsaacThePooper said:

I really hate miners right now.

I get that your basically just investing money, but inherintly your sucking the market out of people who are just trying to use the product like it's supposed to.

I'm really scared for RX Vega with mining, because he hash rate is 100/mhz, which is 5x more than the RX 480.

 

RIP

Ryan Shrout of PCPer is saying the real hashrate is 35MH/s

[Monte_Carlo]

Honestly I'm quite happy to see the performance AMD is getting here.  The power consumption is catastrophic, but I'm just happy to see Vega trading blows with the 1080... that's something we haven't really seen with the 580 or even the 480.  Nvidia was the undisputed king of performance... still kinda is, but at least AMD's back in the upper-mid-range product stack.  

 

Damn shame I expect my laptop to last me at least 2 more years.  Otherwise I'd be looking at those bundles.  

[Mira Yurizaki]

Vega has more within it than Pascal. The GTX 1080 has 7.2 billion transistors while Vega has 12.5B, not including the HBM stacks.

 

The only reason why Vega's performance appears lacking is mostly due to how games are designed and how AMD's drivers want the command lists from the CPU.

[xAcid9]

26 minutes ago, IsaacThePooper said:

My main problem is the power consumption, why is it so terrible? .

Overhype? Nah.. we all see this coming after Vega FE was out. 

 

Regarding power consumption, maybe need some user tweaking since in power saving mode it perform 5% slower while consuming >50% less according to TPU.

 

[dizmo]

The prices are especially bad considering you have to buy a pack to get one (iirc) right now. It's a stupid strategy on AMDs part. I don't think the release was postponed because of miners though. That really has little effect on their release schedule. I'm interested to see how the new cards will perform in a couple of months, however I'm not holding my breath and have abandoned the AMD wagon.

15 minutes ago, Monte_Carlo said:

Honestly I'm quite happy to see the performance AMD is getting here.  The power consumption is catastrophic, but I'm just happy to see Vega trading blows with the 1080... that's something we haven't really seen with the 580 or even the 480.  Nvidia was the undisputed king of performance... still kinda is, but at least AMD's back in the upper-mid-range product stack.  

 

Damn shame I expect my laptop to last me at least 2 more years.  Otherwise I'd be looking at those bundles.  

To be fair the 4/580 are both entry level cards. I expected better, and I'm not sure why they're so bent on using HBM2 instead of DDR5x.

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

To be fair the 4/580 are both entry level cards. I expected better, and I'm not sure why they're so bent on using HBM2 instead of DDR5x.

I'm going to guess part marketing ("look at our mostly unnecessary for consumers high bandwidth memory!") and part engineering, since Vega 56/64 is based on Vega FE and it'd probably be a pain in the neck to switch from HBM to GDDR5X.

 

This is also probably why none of the consumer Pascal cards are based on GP100 (among other things)

[dizmo]

5 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I'm going to guess part marketing ("look at our mostly unnecessary for consumers high bandwidth memory!") and part engineering, since Vega 56/64 is based on Vega FE and it'd probably be a pain in the neck to switch from HBM to GDDR5X.

 

This is also probably why none of the consumer Pascal cards are based on GP100 (among other things)

I don't buy it. It couldn't have been more expensive than putting that higher cost memory into the consumer card. I think it's a misstep on AMD's part. They should have tried to come out with a more powerful card, not one that uses fancy memory that's useless. Leave that for the higher tier cards in your professional stack.

I like AMD. They just make stupid choices. Over, and over again.

[Mira Yurizaki]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I don't buy it. It couldn't have been more expensive than putting that higher cost memory into the consumer card. I think it's a misstep on AMD's part. They should have tried to come out with a more powerful card, not one that uses fancy memory that's useless. Leave that for the higher tier cards in your professional stack.

I like AMD. They just make stupid choices. Over, and over again.

It's going to cost a non-trivial amount to switch from a slow but wide memory controller to a fast but narrow one. There's enough differences that you can't just plug and play. Not to mention this is still on the die level, so you're going to either have to design two separate GPUs entirely (which AMD decided to do only one GPU design) or add an HBM controller and GDDR5X controller to the design (which would mean you have a lot of wasted silicon).