Even 780Ti is getting raped by 1050Ti.

[Evolution90]

Don't just look at FPS, this thing sips juice, costs far less, and far less to run, has 1GB more Vram.

 

I know 780 / 780Ti's are old but how the F can a 1050Ti come even close to a Ti 780?

 

WTF did nVIDIA do? is this what a drop in optimization of GPU's does?

I don't remember a single generation of GPU's that lost so much performance, even Fermi was still holding it's own 4 generations later from nVIDIA and those things were classed as failures?

 

[The Sloth]

2 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

I know 780 / 780Ti's are old but how the F can a 1050Ti come even close to a Ti 780?

 

780ti has shitty driver support 

[Morgan MLGman]

4 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

780ti has shitty driver support 

Yeah, mainly because of that ^

 

Here's something that should explain it:

 

 

[vanished]

wasn't the 970 roughly the same as the 780 Ti, just as the 1070 was similar to the 980 Ti?  And so then going from there, +1 gen -1 tier usually gets you within 10%, so that works out to 780 Ti ~= 1060... so I suppose it is interesting that the 1050 Ti would be so much better than it. nvm 780 Ti actually wins, watch the video lol

Edited August 1, 2017 by Ryan_Vickers

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

wasn't the 970 roughly the same as the 780 Ti, just as the 1070 was similar to the 980 Ti?  And so then going from there, +1 gen -1 tier usually gets you within 10%, so that works out to 780 Ti ~= 1060... so I suppose it is interesting that the 1050 Ti would be so much better than it.

The thing is, besides being heavily limited by VRAM, 780Ti performs around a 970 in older games and like sh*t in new ones...

 

Hope this isn't going to happen to my 980Ti that fast.

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Hope this isn't going to happen to my 980Ti that fast.

I doubt it, Maxwell and Pascal are very similar

10 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

780ti has shitty driver support 

Yep, Nvidia stops optimizing for their older cards after a while

[flibberdipper]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

I doubt it, Maxwell and Pascal are very similar

Yep, Nvidia stops optimizing for their older cards after a while

Meanwhile Fermi peeps finally got DX12 like a month ago (10/10 Nvidia, way later than you said it'd be).

[Tellos]

Would not say raped but defiantly we see the preformance gap dropped big time.

[ZenMonkey]

24 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

Don't just look at FPS, this thing sips juice, costs far less, and far less to run, has 1GB more Vram.

 

I know 780 / 780Ti's are old but how the F can a 1050Ti come even close to a Ti 780?

 

WTF did nVIDIA do? is this what a drop in optimization of GPU's does?

I don't remember a single generation of GPU's that lost so much performance, even Fermi was still holding it's own 4 generations later from nVIDIA and those things were classed as failures?

 

 

A combination of architecture improvement/refinement and driver support.

[Masada02]

12 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

The thing is, besides being heavily limited by VRAM, 780Ti performs around a 970 in older games and like sh*t in new ones...

 

Hope this isn't going to happen to my 980Ti that fast.

I mean even if it does, the 980TI isn't exactly a slouch. For me, as long as it does fine at 1080p I'm happy. That's part of the reason I bought a 1080p monitor - no urge to upgrade  

[agent_x007]

Well, if he had GTX 780 Ti clocked at 954/7000Mhz, I called that test BS.
Even reference model boosts up to 1020MHz, so WTF ?!

[Evolution90]

Just now, agent_x007 said:

Well, if he had GTX 780 Ti clocked at 954/7000Mhz, I called that test BS.
Even reference model boosts up to 1020MHz, so WTF ?!

We shall skip the ability to OC the 1050Ti too then?

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, Masada02 said:

I mean even if it does, the 980TI isn't exactly a slouch. For me, as long as it does fine at 1080p I'm happy. That's part of the reason I bought a 1080p monitor - no urge to upgrade  

Well, the 1080Ti shouldn't be as VRAM-limited for starters, and as @PCGuy_5960 pointed out, Pascal is Maxwell on steroids with a few improvements here and there so making backwards-compatible drivers might be fairly easy for Nvidia - so there's some hope I'm at 1920x1200 at the moment so the card is almost overkill for that (especially when it has a stock boost clock of 1418MHz)

1 minute ago, agent_x007 said:

Well, if he had GTX 780 Ti clocked at 954/7000Mhz, I called that test BS.
Even reference model boosts up to 1020MHz, so WTF ?!

Watch GamersNexus's video on the 780Ti. Then you may start wishing you bought a 290X back then instead

[Glenwing]

I dunno if I'd call winning in every test "getting raped" just because it's less power efficient in doing so. Yeah, not doing as well as I'd expect, but.... eh.

[agent_x007]

7 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

We shall skip the ability to OC the 1050Ti too then?

Guess you missed the memo on how GPU Boost 2.0 works, right ?
Here's a hint : LINK.
Compare GPU-z clocks to live in-game RTSS ones.

I do like my GTX 780 Ti.
I don't regret not going R9 290X, because I needed ShadowPlay and DSR (R9's didn't have useful equivalents at the time).

[Evolution90]

Just now, Glenwing said:

I dunno if I'd call winning in every test "getting raped" just because it's less power efficient in doing so.

I would when it is literally 5-10FPS performance gap.

 

The difference in cost run is big, the difference in heat is big, the difference in overall superior efficiency is big.

I'm glad my 780 arrived DOA, the 290X i'm picking up is a MASSIVE jump over it for only 10 GBP more, wish i knew sooner.

[Masada02]

4 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Well, the 1080Ti shouldn't be as VRAM-limited for starters, and as @PCGuy_5960 pointed out, Pascal is Maxwell on steroids with a few improvements here and there so making backwards-compatible drivers might be fairly easy for Nvidia - so there's some hope I'm at 1920x1200 at the moment so the card is almost overkill for that (especially when it has a stock boost clock of 1418MHz)

Good thing I have 2 KPEs for 1080p (albeit at 240hz)  

[Evolution90]

Just now, agent_x007 said:

Guess you missed the memo on how GPU Boost 2.0 works, right ?
Here's a hint : LINK.
Compare GPU-z clocks to live in-game RTSS ones.

I do like my GTX 780 Ti.
I don't regret not going R9 290X, because I needed ShadowPlay and DSR.

It won't magically fix the issue, the 780Ti should be at 970 level.

 

And 954mhz vs 1019mhz is not that big of a jump either, at best 2FPS.

[agent_x007]

8 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

It won't magically fix the issue, the 780Ti should be at 970 level.

 

And 954mhz vs 1019mhz is not that big of a jump either, at best 2FPS.

I agree it should be around GTX 970 level.
But difference for clock speed should be measured in %, not FPS.
Why ? 
Because base isn't the same.
+6% in GPU Clock speed could mean 6% from 100FPS, which is 6FPS.
While 6% in 35FPS case, is ~37FPS.

[SlaughterSmurf]

31 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

The thing is, besides being heavily limited by VRAM, 780Ti performs around a 970 in older games and like sh*t in new ones...

 

Hope this isn't going to happen to my 980Ti that fast.

In 2013-2014 games the 780ti performs within like 5-10% of the 980

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, SlaughterSmurf said:

In 2013-2014 games the 780ti performs within like 5-10% of the 980

Yeah, the problem is that first part: "In 2013-2014 games" It's 2017 now

[SlaughterSmurf]

13 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Well, the 1080Ti shouldn't be as VRAM-limited for starters, and as @PCGuy_5960 pointed out, Pascal is Maxwell on steroids with a few improvements here and there so making backwards-compatible drivers might be fairly easy for Nvidia - so there's some hope I'm at 1920x1200 at the moment so the card is almost overkill for that (especially when it has a stock boost clock of 1418MHz)

Watch GamersNexus's video on the 780Ti. Then you may start wishing you bought a 290X back then instead

The 290x wasn't in that video for one. Also if you're doing the thing where you count the 390x as the 290x (which it isn't, it's similar, but has double the VRAM and some fine tuneing) it's still overclocked because the 390x runs at a higher clockspeed than the 290x. So at the very least you would have to let the 780ti overclock, and from everyone I've seen they usually hit at least 1200mhz which is almost a 30% clockspeed increase. I'm not saying that the 290x wouldn't perform better, it probably would. However, gamersnexus did the 780ti no favours when comparing it to the 290x. 

[JoostinOnline]

Don't post titles like that...

[ZenMonkey]

15 minutes ago, Evolution90 said:

I would when it is literally 5-10FPS performance gap.

 

The difference in cost run is big, the difference in heat is big, the difference in overall superior efficiency is big.

I'm glad my 780 arrived DOA, the 290X i'm picking up is a MASSIVE jump over it for only 10 GBP more, wish i knew sooner.

 

I'm not sure what your complaint is.

 

This is what I hear: "This three generations old card costs more, but doesn't have the performance difference commensurate with the cost, over the modern generation budget card, but for some reason I refuse to buy a modern generation card."

[Evolution90]

Just now, ZenMonkey said:

 

I'm not sure what your complaint is if this is a new purchase.

 

This is what I hear: "My three generations old card costs more, but doesn't have the performance difference commensurate with the cost, over the modern generation budget card, but for some reason I refuse to buy a modern generation card."

I did not know the 780 had declined in performance so much, i got lucky when it arrived dead and i got refunded.