7700k or 7740x?

[tomerpc]

hi so I'm gonna build my first pc and I don't know what to go with i7 7700k or i7 7740x I will use the pc for gaming and I'm not sure what to go with anyone help please

[That_PC_Kid]

What is your overall budget?

[Technomancer__]

or ryzen

1600 is pretty good

[rn8686]

Neither, R7 is better value and will likely perform similar. 

[Technomancer__]

Just now, Ethocreeper said:

or ryzen

1600 is pretty good

get a 1600 that is cheaper than 7700k and put the money saved towards a gpu

[GirlFromYonder]

5 minutes ago, tomerpc said:

hi so I'm gonna build my first pc and I don't know what to go with i7 7700k or i7 7740x I will use the pc for gaming and I'm not sure what to go with anyone help please

None, go with the R7 1700. But if you really want the 150 fps 7700k. 

[WereCat]

7740X makes absolutely no sense.

Either get 7700k or R5 1600 or R7 1700.

[Sacriledgy]

7 minutes ago, tomerpc said:

hi so I'm gonna build my first pc and I don't know what to go with i7 7700k or i7 7740x I will use the pc for gaming and I'm not sure what to go with anyone help please

How about R7 1700X? And whats your budget anyway? I'll see if i can figure something out for you

[GirlFromYonder]

Just now, Its Not Important said:

How about R7 1700X? And whats your budget anyway? I'll see if i can figure something out for you

Well you get a OC with you can easily do yourself. 1700 is better. And i think they do have the budget or they wont e considering x299 or something high end like that.............I THINK

 

 

sorry i should not be assuming things. my therapist said no.

[Sacriledgy]

Just now, DeezNoNos said:

Well you get a OC with you can easily do yourself. 1700 is better. And i think they do have the budget or they wont e considering x299 or something high end like that.............I THINK

 

 

sorry i should not be assuming things. my therapist said no.

Yeah, that makes sense.... I'll wait for his response though

[HKZeroFive]

Kaby Lake-X is a bad joke. If you're only gaming, grab a i7-7700K... dunno why there are so many "RYZEN!!!" posts.

[Sacriledgy]

12 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Kaby Lake-X is a bad joke. If you're only gaming, grab a i7-7700K... dunno why there are so many "RYZEN!!!" posts.

Because who doesn't want double the core count and 7700K literally beat Ryzen only in 1080p anyway especially in DX12, so its better for him in the future to pick Ryzen. Are you living under a rock or something?

[HKZeroFive]

8 minutes ago, Its Not Important said:

Because who doesn't want double the core count. Those chips only need optimisation and it'll beat i7 7700K

More cores =/= better gaming performance. Read up on Amdahl's Law.

 

So tired of the "optimisation" argument. CPUs don't magically work like that. Why buy a product that has worse performance now and cross your fingers in the hopes that it'll be faster instead of just buying the faster product straight up?

[Zyndo]

49 minutes ago, tomerpc said:

hi so I'm gonna build my first pc and I don't know what to go with i7 7700k or i7 7740x I will use the pc for gaming and I'm not sure what to go with anyone help please

If money is no problem and you plan on pairing it with extremely powerful GPU hardware (at least 1 1080ti) and a high refresh rate monitor (at least 144hz) then 7740x.

 

When you factor money into the equation, 7700k is a lot more sensible (still should be paired with no less than a 1080) and your intent should be 1080p/1440p high refresh rate gaming.

 

If you don't have the funds or you do not fall into the "high refresh rate gaming" category (for example if you wanted to do 60hz gaming or 4k gaming), then you should absolutely be doing Ryzen. Ryzen mops the floor with the mainstream Intel offerings right now, offering equal to or greater performance in pretty much every conceivable way (except as mentioned above). Unless there is some very specific reason you feel you NEED Intel (such as for Optane support) or you simply have the funds to flush out a hardcore build, then Ryzen is what pretty much everyone should be buying right now.

[Sacriledgy]

Just now, HKZeroFive said:

More cores =/= better gaming performance. Read up on Amdahl's Law.

 

So tired of the "optimisation" argument. CPUs don't magically work like that. Why buy a product that has worse performance now and cross your fingers in the hope that it'll be faster instead of just buying the faster product straight up?

Hmm yeah. But have you read my revised comment? I suggest you do. And Please read this, could be handy.

 

https://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-versus-amd-ryzen-1700x-14-game-cpu-showdown_192508&ved=0ahUKEwjlvJyKsabUAhUeTo8KHW5oAZEQFggoMAQ&usg=AFQjCNHb7jF2qxdXibYxtcYuF8uWPU8TSg

[Zyndo]

5 minutes ago, Its Not Important said:

And Please read this, could be handy.

 

https://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-versus-amd-ryzen-1700x-14-game-cpu-showdown_192508&ved=0ahUKEwjlvJyKsabUAhUeTo8KHW5oAZEQFggoMAQ&usg=AFQjCNHb7jF2qxdXibYxtcYuF8uWPU8TSg

That article and benchmark is garbage. They're using GTX 970's for their testing. You're 100% going to be GPU bottlenecking in every single game (although apparently not farcry 4? colour me suprised) and never will see any potential performance gains to be had from the 7700k.

This is a garbage test designed by morons or fanboys with the intent of skewing people who don't look closely enough into believing Ryzen can match a 7700k in gaming performance. Please read my previous post for further explanation

 

So no, there is nothing "handy" about these results. they are absolutely rubbish.

[HKZeroFive]

3 minutes ago, Its Not Important said:

Hmm yeah. But have you read my revised comment? I suggest you do. And Please read this, could be handy.

 

https://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-versus-amd-ryzen-1700x-14-game-cpu-showdown_192508&ved=0ahUKEwjlvJyKsabUAhUeTo8KHW5oAZEQFggoMAQ&usg=AFQjCNHb7jF2qxdXibYxtcYuF8uWPU8TSg

DX12 still doesn't mean that performance will scale linearly with more cores. Christ.

 

"GPU used - GTX 970". That says everything.

[Sacriledgy]

2 minutes ago, Zyndo said:

That article and benchmark is garbage. They're using GTX 970's for their testing. You're 100% going to be GPU bottlenecking in every single game and never will see any potential performance gains to be had from the 7700k.

This is a garbage test designed by morons or fanboys with the intent of skewing people who don't look closely enough into believing Ryzen can match a 7700k in gaming performance. Please read my previous post for further explanation

 

So no, there is nothing "handy" about these results. they are absolutely rubbish.

So GTX 970 will bottleneck those CPU's? Somehow I'm not sure about that. Its only 1 gen behind.

[Sacriledgy]

2 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

DX12 still doesn't mean that performance will scale linearly with more cores. Christ.

 

"GPU used - GTX 970". That says everything.

Yeah, but its not just the "Core count" I'm talking about here. Its the overall chip. How come its so hard to understand?

[Nena Trinity]

2 minutes ago, Its Not Important said:

So GTX 970 will bottleneck those CPU's? Somehow I'm not sure about that. Its only 1 gen behind.

It bottlenecks my FX in rainbow six siege! ;_;

[HKZeroFive]

7 minutes ago, Its Not Important said:

Yeah, but its not just the "Core count" I'm talking about here. Its the overall chip. How come its so hard to understand?

Okay, so how is the R7 1700 going to surpass the i7-7700K when it comes to gaming performance if it's not about core count? Because that's about the only reason you've used to justify getting Ryzen.

[Zyndo]

Just now, Its Not Important said:

So GTX 970 will bottleneck those CPU's? Somehow I'm not sure about that. Its only 1 gen behind.

A 970 is weaker than a GTX 1060 6GB.... If you're pairing even a 1060 6GB with a 7700k you're doing it wrong.

Yes its "only" one gen behind, but it wasn't a particularly outstanding card even in its generation. Its the kind of mind-ranged card you often paired with a locked CPU for competent 1080p/1440p, ultra/high, settings, 60hz gaming. Its not even remotely powerful enough to allow the 7700k to stretch its legs.

 

If you do not understand how relatively weak the 970 is in today's market, you really shouldn't be arguing with someone about how good Ryzen is. 

 

 

I'm really tired of hearing people say "oh Ryzen is just as good as/better than a 7700k" and then linking benchmarks like this. I mean the internet is rampant with all sorts of scams and misinformation... but the Ryzen lauch/hype/fanboying is on a whole other level this time around.

[WereCat]

17 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

More cores =/= better gaming performance. Read up on Amdahl's Law.

 

So tired of the "optimisation" argument. CPUs don't magically work like that. Why buy a product that has worse performance now and cross your fingers in the hopes that it'll be faster instead of just buying the faster product straight up?

The question is not whether the 7700k or R7 1700 performs better in games because everyone knows that 7700k will give you more FPS.

 

The question is whether the R7 1700 can give you good enough performance in games because overall, it is better choice.

And yes it can! Unless you want to push extremely high FPS like 165+ FPS then it totally makes sense.

[Zyndo]

2 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Unless you want to push extremely high FPS like 165+ FPS then it totally makes sense.

the cutoff is really a lot closer to around ~110-120. You start seeing a lot of Ryzen bottlenecks showing up around that point (although certainly not in all games).

[GirlFromYonder]

Let me put water on this fire right now.

 

60fps to 120fps. ANY RYZEN 5 OR RYZEN 7 cpu

144hz to 240hz. i7-7700k or ANY RYZEN 5 OR RYZEN 7 cpu paired with ATLEAST 3600 MHZ RAM.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 5, 2017 by DeezNoNos
Changed 100fps to 120fps