R5 or i5?

[App4that]

Just now, RAM555789 said:

To get your best overclock your gonna have to fiddle around a lot with any K processor.

No, set the voltage and multiplier and you're good. With Ryzen you're messing with Pstates. 

[RAM555789]

16 minutes ago, App4that said:

No, set the voltage and multiplier and you're good. With Ryzen you're messing with Pstates. 

You know someone jsut brought up you could get an i7-7700 for the same price as an i5-7600k due to the fact you need a better mobo and cooler but would get better performance than that i5. I take backeverything I have said about the i5-7600k today.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z270 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($103.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $368.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-19 13:47 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($294.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($69.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $364.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-19 13:47 EDT-0400

[SirFlamenco]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

ROTTR is known to have problems with Ryzen, one game does not a review make. 

 

The 1600 won, it's stated that the 1600 won in the video. Your reluctance to acknowledge that does nothing for your argument. Ryzen is a brand new architecture, the 7600k is a rebrand of the Skylake 6600k, and the 1600 still won. 

 

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

It may have slightly higher averages, but 1% and 0.1% lows are higher, which means that Gameplay is smoother. Honestly, i5s are no longer the best choice. If you are considering the 7600K, you should buy a Ryzen 5 1600 or an i7 7700. But the 1600 is a better choice than the 7700

I completely agree with @App4that

 

4 minutes ago, RAM555789 said:

If its pure gaming the i5-7600k wins out, though the Ryzen 1600 is likely more future proof. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3885vs3919

My point of view is that I still think Ryzen is not at the top right now. I have a really autistic view of this, though (lol), and I say that Kaby-Lake is better IN GAMING, RIGHT NOW but I have to agree that Ryzen will only get better and better and I hope it will change the cpu market because Intel have been procrastinating since the last 5 years.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, RAM555789 said:

You know someone jsut brought up you could get an i7-7700 for the same price as an i5-7600k due to the fact you need a better mobo and cooler but would get better performance than that i5. I take backeverything I have said about the i5-7600k today.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z270 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($103.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $368.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-19 13:47 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($294.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($69.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $364.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-19 13:47 EDT-0400

Why would you go with a locked CPU, when all the Ryzen are unlocked? 

[App4that]

Just now, SirFlamenco said:

 

 

My point of view is that I still think Ryzen is not at the top right now. I have a really autistic view of this, though (lol), and I say that Kaby-Lake is better IN GAMING, RIGHT NOW but I have to agree that Ryzen will only get better and better and I hope it will change the cpu market because Intel have been procrastinating since the last 5 years.

You cherry picked a data point though, as one autistic to another. 

[RAM555789]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Why would you go with a locked CPU, when all the Ryzen are unlocked? 

That was me just realizing how bad the i5-7600k really is. The fact a locked i7-7700 beats it made me realize how much more the 1600 is worth it.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, SirFlamenco said:

My point of view is that I still think Ryzen is not at the top right now. I have a really autistic view of this, though (lol), and I say that Kaby-Lake is better IN GAMING, RIGHT NOW but I have to agree that Ryzen will only get better and better and I hope it will change the cpu market because Intel have been procrastinating since the last 5 years.

Depends on which Kabylake CPU. The 7700K is 10-20% better than Ryzen in most games, but the 7600K is not

[RAM555789]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

You cherry picked a data point though, as one autistic to another. 

Coffee lake will probably see a shift towards multi-core.

[Coaxialgamer]

8 minutes ago, RAM555789 said:

You know someone jsut brought up you could get an i7-7700 for the same price as an i5-7600k due to the fact you need a better mobo and cooler but would get better performance than that i5. I take backeverything I have said about the i5-7600k today.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Z270 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($103.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $368.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-19 13:47 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($294.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250M-Gaming 3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($69.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $364.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-19 13:47 EDT-0400

But the 7700 is quite a bit slower than the 7700k . The only thing you get is hyperthreading , but you lose the only real advantage kabylake has over ryzen : the high per core-perf . The 7700  has less cores than the r5 , similar per core perf , and is locked .Plus it's more expensive.

[App4that]

Just now, RAM555789 said:

Coffee lake will probably see a shift towards multi-core.

Agreed. But I don't see Intel changing their pricing, no need to. Intel can offer marginal gains in performance, and still charge signifigently more for the CPU and people are buying it. Competition alone won't change Intel's pricing.

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Coaxialgamer said:

But the 7700 is quite a bit slower than the 7700k . The only thing you get is hyperthreading , but you lose the only real advantage kabylake has over ryzen : the high per core-perf . The 7700  has less cores than the r5 , similar per core perf , and is locked .

Nah, the 7700 is still faster than Ryzen in games, but only by 1-2FPS (at best) Which is why Ryzen is a better choice though

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Nah, the 7700 is still faster than Ryzen in games, but only by 1-2FPS (at best) Which is why Ryzen is a better choice though

really ? I don't see a 3.6ghz kaby beating a 4GHZ OC 1600.

[RAM555789]

3 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

But the 7700 is quite a bit slower than the 7700k . The only thing you get is hyperthreading , but you lose the only real advantage kabylake has over ryzen : the high per core-perf . The 7700  has less cores than the r5 , similar per core perf , and is locked .

Yes but bringing up the point PCGuy point out about a locked i7 7700 vs an i5 7600k your gonna need a good mobo and cooler for overclocking.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($329.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $474.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-19 13:57 EDT-0400

[SpaceGhostC2C]

3 hours ago, WereCat said:

I think it was something like 8.8GHz with all 8 cores active but I am lazy to doublecheck.

It was one core only  

 

Coming back to OP: the i5 is OK, and it has better single-threaded performance, which is very important for games. It could be a tough call to make... if the i5 pricing was updated. At their current prices, however, they don't make much sense, unless you are really going for max CSGO FPS in youe 200Hx monitor. Ryzen 5 are just better overall CPUs for the money. Again, if you find a good deal on the i5 then it's worth a second look.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Agreed. But I don't see Intel changing their pricing, no need to. Intel can offer marginal gains in performance, and still charge signifigently more for the CPU and people are buying it. Competition alone won't change Intel's pricing.

Not too sure about that. Intel will probably increase the L2 cache size and we don't know how much that will affect performance....

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

really ? I don't see a 3.6ghz kaby beating a 4GHZ OC 1600.

It's 4GHz......

[Dipu Kazi]

If you want to do gaming Ryzen 5 1600x or 1600 will be great choice and for extreme overclocking Intel i5 would be great option but Ryzen 5 is the best cpu and it is a bang for buck. So I suggest you to buy Ryzen 5 1600x or 1600.

[Coaxialgamer]

2 minutes ago, RAM555789 said:

Yes but bringing up the point PCGuy point out about a locked i7 7700 vs an i5 7600k your gonna need a good mobo and cooler for overclocking.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($329.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($109.49 @ SuperBiiz) 
Total: $474.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-19 13:57 EDT-0400

that's definitely true for 7600k vs 7700k .

But if you're looking at r5 vs 7700 , you can get by with a b350 board and the included wraith cooler .

[Coaxialgamer]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

It's 4GHz......

Only for a particular boost state .

It's still 3.6ghz base.

[RAM555789]

2 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Not too sure about that. Intel will probably increase the L2 cache size and we don't know how much that will affect performance....

Defiantly make the performance improve. More L2 cache means the CPU can have information loaded faster from the RAM....that being said the speed would need to also be able to keep up.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Only for a particular boost state .

It's still 3.6ghz base.

 

[RAM555789]

2 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

that's definitely true for 7600k vs 7700k .

But if you're looking at r5 vs 7700 , you can get by with a b350 board and the included wraith cooler .

Yeah I do agree that the r5 was the better choice I was just point out the cost difference.

[App4that]

5 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Not too sure about that. Intel will probably increase the L2 cache size and we don't know how much that will affect performance....

Intel has Skylake X in motion, so 5% improvement over Broadwell-E. Kabylake X should be enough to stop people from buying Intel, but I digress. Coffeelake? That's the future man. 

[Dipu Kazi]

Yes,man. I5's l2 and l3 cache is greater and larger than r5's. But at low cost and great perfomance r5 is the best.

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Intel has Skylake X in motion, so 5% improvement over Broadwell-E. Kabylake X should be enough to stop people from buying Intel, but I digress. Coffeelake? That's the future man. 

Skylake-X has a 10% improvement in IPC over Broadwell-E, but again, we don't know how much the larger L2 cache will boost performance. And Kabylake-X is meant for enthusiasts who want high clock and high core count CPUs on the same platform.