I5 7600 or R5 1600?

[That Random Spork]

So these two cpus are at a similar price and was wondering which will perform better? I was leaning towards the ryzen cpu as theres more cores and its slightly newer. I also checked on userbench and the intel cpu scored higher. Is this because the ryzen chips arent as optimized? Am I better off just getting a i5? 

[Silentprototipe]

What are you going to do with your machine? Depending on the situation the R5 or the i5 could be better

[Guest]

If u use the CPU just for gaming then go for the i5 ,but if u are multitask then go with ryzen. But I recommend ryzen because of it 2 extra core and 8 extra thread.

 

(OVOb)

[AlTech]

4 minutes ago, That Random Spork said:

So these two cpus are at a similar price and was wondering which will perform better? I was leaning towards the ryzen cpu as theres more cores and its slightly newer. I also checked on userbench and the intel cpu scored higher. Is this because the ryzen chips arent as optimized? Am I better off just getting a i5? 

I would say that the Ryzen 5 CPU is faster in non gaming applications than Intel's chip is in gaming applications.

 

So basically go for the Ryzen CPU. You're not gain much by going to Intel for gaming. It just doesn't make sense to go Intel.

[aisle9]

5 minutes ago, That Random Spork said:

So these two cpus are at a similar price and was wondering which will perform better?

Depends on what you're doing with them.

[IrshaadH]

What CPU are you upgrading from?  I would say, unless you're in dire need of a new CPU, wait and see how Ryzen 5 matures.  It has the potential to really blow away the competing i5's with further optimization.  On the other hand, it could end up being a shit platform that keeps getting worse over time.  

 

 

[PineyCreek]

8 minutes ago, lawmen2002 said:

If u use the CPU just for gaming then go for the i5 ,but if u are multitask then go with ryzen. But I recommend ryzen because of it 2 extra core and 8 extra thread.

 

(OVOb)

Don't forget it possesses the same amount of cache regardless of the disabled cores. Also, on the Ryzen 5 it's 4 extra threads right?

[That Random Spork]

7 minutes ago, lawmen2002 said:

If u use the CPU just for gaming then go for the i5 ,but if u are multitask then go with ryzen. But I recommend ryzen because of it 2 extra core and 8 extra thread.

 

(OVOb)

Yeah I have noticed that the I5 does better in gaming then the r5 but is that because of drivers and optimization as the ryzen cpus are new? Or is it just how it is. 

[PineyCreek]

4 minutes ago, That Random Spork said:

Yeah I have noticed that the I5 does better in gaming then the r5 but is that because of drivers and optimization as the ryzen cpus are new? Or is it just how it is. 

Just because most games hotspot one, two or four cores.  Ryzen isn't as good (painting with a wide brush here) for single thread performance as Intel's chips.  If the game is more GPU intensive the gap shrinks a lot.

 

It seems if you manually OC the Ryzen chips the gap shrinks even further since it's a more uniform overclock than the XFR automatic overclocking option)

[That Random Spork]

9 minutes ago, PineyCreek said:

Just because most games hotspot one, two or four cores.  Ryzen isn't as good (painting with a wide brush here) for single thread performance as Intel's chips.  If the game is more GPU intensive the gap shrinks a lot.

 

It seems if you manually OC the Ryzen chips the gap shrinks even further since it's a more uniform overclock than the XFR automatic overclocking option)

ah I didnt realise that the I5 had better single core performance. But yeah most games aren't meant for six cores or use them well but perhaps more games in he future will support more cores better so it will perform better? Anyways both seem good enough for what i need.

[PineyCreek]

Or you wait until later in the year when Ryzen 3 releases and the Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X chips release.  Either way, there's a potential for a slight price drop.

[That Random Spork]

1 minute ago, PineyCreek said:

Or you wait until later in the year when Ryzen 3 releases and the Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X chips release.  Either way, there's a potential for a slight price drop.

yeah im in no rush as this will be my first pc and i still need to save up a bit more lol.

[crzyces]

2 minutes ago, PineyCreek said:

Or you wait until later in the year when Ryzen 3 releases and the Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X chips release.  Either way, there's a potential for a slight price drop.

Wait. Intel drop prices? That's like Jerry Rice wide open running a slant and dropping the ball in the end zone.

 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

27 minutes ago, PineyCreek said:

Don't forget it possesses the same amount of cache regardless of the disabled cores. Also, on the Ryzen 5 it's 4 extra threads right?

In the case of the 1600, it's 8 as @lawmen2002 said, because it's 6 cores with SMT vs 4 cores no HT (so 12-4=8).

[PineyCreek]

1 minute ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

In the case of the 1600, it's 8 as @lawmen2002 said, because it's 6 cores with SMT vs 4 cores no HT (so 12-4=8).

Ah, that's what I get for assuming the Intel chip quoted had HT.

[PineyCreek]

2 minutes ago, crzyces said:

Wait. Intel drop prices? That's like Jerry Rice wide open running a slant and dropping the ball in the end zone.

 

I did say POTENTIAL.  I have the POTENTIAL to gain superpowers tomorrow.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 minute ago, PineyCreek said:

Ah, that's what I get for assuming the Intel chip quoted had HT.

You would have been right as well if it was the 400 or 1500x  

[crzyces]

7 minutes ago, That Random Spork said:

ah I didnt realise that the I5 had better single core performance. But yeah most games aren't meant for six cores or use them well but perhaps more games in he future will support more cores better so it will perform better? Anyways both seem good enough for what i need.

Another thing to consider is the "Turbo" on i5's only boosts 1 core (or 2, I'm not positive, but I believe 1). Games are often using 4 cores now, and more threads will help in the future. Ryzen is still in it's infancy, and OC'd it's narrowed the gaming gap and single performance gap to about 6%. That's pretty darn good. Motherboard manufacturers are also just starting. At the moment we are talking about a 3 year old arm wrestling with a 27 year old in his prime (using cpu years, kinda like dog years).

 

Intel may always overtake AMD in gaming, nut the current "Kaby Lake" will be silly slapped once Ryzen matures. Intel's Coffee will be a little faster, and once again, twice the price.

 

It is my opinion over the next 3 years Ryzen will dominate the gaming market. Remember, they also signed huge contracts with Microsoft and Sony, along with Intel to use Radeon graphics, so game companies will also be more inclined to optimize games for Ryzen and Radeon Technologies. Just sayin'.

 

Consumer fanboy,

 

Ces

[That Random Spork]

3 minutes ago, crzyces said:

Another thing to consider is the "Turbo" on i5's only boosts 1 core (or 2, I'm not positive, but I believe 1). Games are often using 4 cores now, and more threads will help in the future. Ryzen is still in it's infancy, and OC'd it's narrowed the gaming gap and single performance gap to about 6%. That's pretty darn good. Motherboard manufacturers are also just starting. At the moment we are talking about a 3 year old arm wrestling with a 27 year old in his prime (using cpu years, kinda like dog years).

 

Intel may always overtake AMD in gaming, nut the current "Kaby Lake" will be silly slapped once Ryzen matures. Intel's Coffee will be a little faster, and once again, twice the price.

 

It is my opinion over the next 3 years Ryzen will dominate the gaming market. Remember, they also signed huge contracts with Microsoft and Sony, along with Intel to use Radeon graphics, so game companies will also be more inclined to optimize games for Ryzen and Radeon Technologies. Just sayin'.

 

Consumer fanboy,

 

Ces

Looks like i should wait for more things to come out

[PineyCreek]

1 minute ago, crzyces said:

Another thing to consider is the "Turbo" on i5's only boosts 1 core (or 2, I'm not positive, but I believe 1). Games are often using 4 cores now, and more threads will help in the future. Ryzen is still in it's infancy, and OC'd it's narrowed the gaming gap and single performance gap to about 6%. That's pretty darn good. Motherboard manufacturers are also just starting. At the moment we are talking about a 3 year old arm wrestling with a 27 year old in his prime (using cpu years, kinda like dog years).

 

Intel may always overtake AMD in gaming, nut the current "Kaby Lake" will be silly slapped once Ryzen matures. Intel's Coffee will be a little faster, and once again, twice the price.

 

It is my opinion over the next 3 years Ryzen will dominate the gaming market. Remember, they also signed huge contracts with Microsoft and Sony, along with Intel to use Radeon graphics, so game companies will also be more inclined to optimize games for Ryzen and Radeon Technologies. Just sayin'.

 

Consumer fanboy,

 

Ces

Intel needs the competition (in my opinion).  Competition and rivalry betters the breeds and helps the consumer.  Still not convinced for AMD on the GPU side (mainly because their software stinks even more than nVidia's does), but Ryzen is a compelling argument.

[crzyces]

7 minutes ago, PineyCreek said:

I did say POTENTIAL.  I have the POTENTIAL to gain superpowers tomorrow.

I heard Gigabyte has developed a chip that enhances visual acuity and reflexes based on Radeon architecture implanted directly into the cerebellum. Apparently it works phenomenal, but you continuously emit a loud humming noise   . Unfortunately if you call tech support you cannot hear them over the buzzing of the microfan on the nanochip.

[PineyCreek]

1 minute ago, crzyces said:

I heard Gigabyte has developed a chip that enhances visual acuity and reflexes based on Radeon architecture implanted directly into the cerebellum. Apparently it works phenomenal, but you continuously emit a loud humming noise   . Unfortunately if you call tech support you cannot hear them over the buzzing of the microfan on the nanochip.

...you need to look up 3dfx's old Voodoo commercials.  They're pretty much right in line with that.

[That Random Spork]

1 minute ago, crzyces said:

I heard Gigabyte has developed a chip that enhances visual acuity and reflexes based on Radeon architecture implanted directly into the cerebellum. Apparently it works phenomenal, but you continuously emit a loud humming noise   . Unfortunately if you call tech support you cannot hear them over the buzzing of the microfan on the nanochip.

I also head that they are using the surrounding brain as a heat sink for the upgraded model. Excited   

[crzyces]

1 minute ago, PineyCreek said:

...you need to look up 3dfx's old Voodoo commercials.  They're pretty much right in line with that.

Did you read my post in the first pc experience? I went off on a tangent about my first real gaming PC that was over 3 grand and rocked a Voodoo 3! Funny stuff. Well, my first PC was a C64, but that was my first Windows PC.

[PineyCreek]

Just now, crzyces said:

Did you read my post in the first pc experience? I went off on a tangent about my first real gaming PC that was over 3 grand and rocked a Voodoo 3! Funny stuff. Well, my first PC was a C64, but that was my first Windows PC.

Heh...my first AGP card was a Voodoo 3 3500 with the proprietary pod.