≈200$ Gaming CPU, should I wait for ryzen 5?

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Hi guys, now that we know for shure that for pure gaming performance ryzen 7 is not better than skylake, should I wait for ryzen 5 to buy a CPU for pure gaming or should I go with an i5 6xxx/7xxx?

[bakidota]

dont wait for ryzen, amd will need years to develop higher clocks on their chips

[dany_boy]

Wait for ryzen, see the performance per dollar and then decide

[dany_boy]

Just now, bakidota said:

dont wait for ryzen, amd will need years to develop higher clocks on their chips

Higher Clocks != higher performance. IPC + clock speed =  higher performance

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

2 minutes ago, mbox said:

Hi guys, now that we know for shure that for pure gaming performance ryzen 7 is not better than skylake, should I wait for ryzen 5 to buy a CPU for pure gaming or should I go with an i5 6xxx/7xxx?

if your hoping they are going to run faster then the intel they're not going to so if you want the fast go with intel what r5 will be though is it will be a better performance per dollar cpu but not better in speed 

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

1 minute ago, dany_boy said:

Higher Clocks != higher performance. IPC + clock speed =  higher performance

Yeah and amd also has lower ipc so your point is?????

[dany_boy]

Just now, Alaradia said:

Yeah and amd also has lower clocks so your point is?????

Price to performance?

[grimreeper132]

wait for ryzen some of the CPUs might be in that price point so might offer a good option, it'll depend on the pricing of Ryzen though

[Lolcrokn]

2 minutes ago, bakidota said:

dont wait for ryzen, amd will need years to develop higher clocks on their chips

Dunno how you figured this out, 6900k has lower base clock speed than 1800x even though both of them are 8 core 16 thread... You never know 

[TomR]

People have been telling me to wait for Ryzen for months. I waited. After seeing benchmarks I still got the 7700k. But I'm still glad I waited. So it's up to, wait or game now.

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Well, that was crystal clear! Please I don't want to know if you like more Intel or amd, I want to buy a CPU for my self. The IPC of ryzen 7 and 5 will be the same?

[grimreeper132]

Just now, TomR said:

People have been telling me to wait for Ryzen for months. I waited. After seeing benchmarks I still got the 7700k. But I'm still glad I waited. So it's up to, wait or game now.

that is true, but it depends on what you needed ryzen for, as it's a cheap, good 8 core CPU, for tasks that need 8 cores, it's not a gaming chip that being said, R5 and R3 will be cheaper, and might offer better price to preformance than the 7700K, sure they might not be better, but they will be a lot cheaper, and have a lot better Price/preformance because of that

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

Just now, dany_boy said:

Price to performance?

OK lets bring this to video games terms since its easier to explain that way say there's 2 guns one is common smg and its dps is 100 and it costs only 10 dollars but there's a rare smg that costs 40 dollars but only does 200 fps that would mean the common smg is 10 dps per dollar and the rare smg would be 5 fps per dollar the common smg has a better price to performance then the rare smg but it does 100 less damage. so the rare smg is more powerful but has a worse price to performance 

[TomR]

Just now, grimreeper132 said:

that is true, but it depends on what you needed ryzen for, as it's a cheap, good 8 core CPU, for tasks that need 8 cores, it's not a gaming chip that being said, R5 and R3 will be cheaper, and might offer better price to preformance than the 7700K, sure they might not be better, but they will be a lot cheaper, and have a lot better Price/preformance because of that

Agreed. But AMD shouldn't have marketed it as the ultimate gaming chip.

[RadiatingLight]

6 minutes ago, bakidota said:

dont wait for ryzen, amd will need years to develop higher clocks on their chips

The question is this:

 

with 200 today, OP could probably buy a i5 7500

with 200 after Ryzen launch, OP could either buy a Ryzen 5 1500X, which is a 4-core with hyperthreading, or, assuming intel will lower CPU pricing, a 7700 for $200.

 

even if OP won't buy AMD, Intel's prices will still drop a ton when Ryzen 5 is released.

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, grimreeper132 said:

that is true, but it depends on what you needed ryzen for, as it's a cheap, good 8 core CPU, for tasks that need 8 cores, it's not a gaming chip that being said, R5 and R3 will be cheaper, and might offer better price to preformance than the 7700K, sure they might not be better, but they will be a lot cheaper, and have a lot better Price/preformance because of that

honest answer, dunno, wait and see, can't hurt, unless you need it right now, just wait and see hey as far as we know R3 are the best gaming CPUs in the world and crush the 7700K (doubt it, but hey, what do we know, nothings been confirmed far as I know)

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

4 minutes ago, Lolcrokn said:

Dunno how you figured this out, 6900k has lower base clock speed than 1800x even though both of them are 8 core 16 thread... You never know 

were not comparing them to a 6900k especially sine this is r5 were comparing it to 6700k and 7700k which both have much higher clocks and ipcs

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, Alaradia said:

OK lets bring this to video games terms since its easier to explain that way say there's 2 guns one is common smg and its dps is 100 and it costs only 10 dollars but there's a rare smg that costs 40 dollars but only does 200 fps that would mean the common smg is 10 dps per dollar and the rare smg would be 5 fps per dollar the common smg has a better price to performance then the rare smg but it does 100 less damage. so the rare smg is more powerful but has a worse price to performance 

I lost you at SMG

[bakidota]

dont let amd fanboys fool you, as i said amd will need years to develop higher clock speeds

[grimreeper132]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

The question is this:

 

with 200 today, OP could probably buy a i5 7500

with 200 after Ryzen launch, OP could either buy a Ryzen 5 1500X, which is a 4-core with hyperthreading, or, assuming intel will lower CPU pricing, a 7700 for $200.

 

even if OP won't buy AMD, Intel's prices will still drop a ton when Ryzen 5 is released.

yep, one of the two reasons why I recon he should wait, the other is we just don't know what the R3 and R5 CPUs will be like, apart from cores wise, and isn't it the R3's which are quads and R5's which are hexa cores

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, grimreeper132 said:

yep, one of the two reasons why I recon he should wait, the other is we just don't know what the R3 and R5 CPUs will be like, apart from cores wise, and isn't it the R3's which are quads and R5's which are hexa cores

As far as i know,  R5 is 6-cores and 4-cores, while r3 is 4 cores with no hyperthreading.

 

[grimreeper132]

Just now, bakidota said:

dont let amd fanboys fool you, as i said amd will need years to develop higher clock speeds

I anit a fanboy, I just am saying that it can't hurt, wait and see what it offers, as it may lower pricing down of intel or they could be shit, I don't know, but it canny hurt to wait and see now can it.

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

As far as i know,  R5 is 6-cores and 4-cores, while r3 is 4 cores with no hyperthreading.

 

was that just a typo then? guessing yes.

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, Alaradia said:

OK lets bring this to video games terms since its easier to explain that way say there's 2 guns one is common smg and its dps is 100 and it costs only 10 dollars but there's a rare smg that costs 40 dollars but only does 200 fps that would mean the common smg is 10 dps per dollar and the rare smg would be 5 fps per dollar the common smg has a better price to performance then the rare smg but it does 100 less damage. so the rare smg is more powerful but has a worse price to performance 

alright after a few minutes, I got the analogy

 

imagine this. someone has only $10 to spend to buy an SMG in a game.

he is asking if he should buy a common SMG now for $10, or wait until the rare SMG's price falls down to $10 because a competitor was released.

that's the real question here.

[dany_boy]

4 minutes ago, Alaradia said:

OK lets bring this to video games terms since its easier to explain that way say there's 2 guns one is common smg and its dps is 100 and it costs only 10 dollars but there's a rare smg that costs 40 dollars but only does 200 fps that would mean the common smg is 10 dps per dollar and the rare smg would be 5 fps per dollar the common smg has a better price to performance then the rare smg but it does 100 less damage. so the rare smg is more powerful but has a worse price to performance 

Why use an analogy when we can all understand IPC, clock speeds and price? Of course intel is still the most powreful, but if you can get 80-90% of the performance at half of the price, then why go intel unless you want the ultimate machine? I NEVER said "buy AMD" I just said wait for R5 and see if its good value