≈200$ Gaming CPU, should I wait for ryzen 5?

[RadiatingLight]

11 minutes ago, Lolcrokn said:

Dunno how you figured this out, 6900k has lower base clock speed than 1800x even though both of them are 8 core 16 thread... You never know 

well Ryzen 7 is basically two quad-cores together in one chip.

so it stands to reason that the quad cores alone will be able to reach only 4Ghz (maybe 4.2) on their own.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, mbox said:

Hi guys, now that we know for shure that for pure gaming performance ryzen 7 is not better than skylake, should I wait for ryzen 5 to buy a CPU for pure gaming or should I go with an i5 6xxx/7xxx?

Intel will try to lower their processors price, so you can wait for that.

[dany_boy]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

well Ryzen 7 is basically two quad-cores together in one chip.

so it stands to reason that the quad cores alone will be able to reach only 4Ghz

Do you have compelling information/proof/calculations to back that up? CPU operation is not a simple as people think. Lots of factors come into play

[grimreeper132]

4 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

I lost you at SMG

price to performance is a ratio between how much a CPU/GPU etc. costs and the performance it, e.g

a CPU which costs has a preformance number of 3 and costs £3 so it's ratio is 1:1 where as another one has a performance number of 12 and costs $24, so ratio is 2:1, meaning that the fisrt one has a better ratio, it does not mean it's the better CPU though, as CPU2 there has better performance

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

1 minute ago, dany_boy said:

Why use an analogy when we can all understand IPC, clock speeds and price? Of course intel is still the most powreful, but if you can get 80-90% of the performance at half of the price, then why go intel unless you want the ultimate machine? I NEVER said "buy AMD" I just said wait for R5 and see if its good value

Well it seems the analogy worked and using an analogy means i don't have go spend 30 minutes pulling up specs and doing pointless math. i only do math if i'm getting payed for it. also it seems the op wants the fastest thing and not price to performance or performance per dollar

[Guest Darth Revan]

Here's your answer:

 

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

was that just a typo then? guessing yes.

 

I found this chart on forbes. I have no idea if the clockspeeds are accurate, but that's what Ryzen 5 and 3 will most likely be

[grimreeper132]

2 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

well Ryzen 7 is basically two quad-cores together in one chip.

so it stands to reason that the quad cores alone will be able to reach only 4Ghz (maybe 4.2) on their own.

maybe, maybe not, we will see can't really predict with AMD, but I would say best quad will be 4.0GHz and best hex will be 3.8GHz, unoverclocked

[grimreeper132]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

 

I found this chart on forbes. I have no idea if the clockspeeds are accurate, but that's what Ryzen 5 and 3 will most likely be

never mind then, I thought that it was only hexa cores in the R5 line up, and no quads, I stand corrected, sorry

[Moress]

I will say the same thing I have with every one of these threads.. Ryzen chips are good for budget production work. If you're purely gaming then stick with the simliarly priced Intel chip, if you are streaming or editing then go for the Ryzen equivalent (pricewise)

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, Alaradia said:

Well it seems the analogy worked and using an analogy means i don't have go spend 30 minutes pulling up specs and doing pointless math. i only do math if i'm getting payed for it. also it seems the op wants the fastest thing and not price to performance or performance per dollar

he has a limited budget though.

it's not like he can go out and buy a 6950X.

sometimes the best costs more than $200

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, Darth Revan said:

Here's your answer:

 

probably, but just wait for ryzen even still to see what intels prices do at that point

[dany_boy]

1 minute ago, Alaradia said:

Well it seems the analogy worked and using an analogy means i don't have go spend 30 minutes pulling up specs and doing pointless math. i only do math if i'm getting payed for it. also it seems the op wants the fastest thing and not price to performance or performance per dollar

Well then it comes down to OP, if you think spending 2x the money is worth an extra 10-20% performance boost, then go for it. I'm just saying you should wait and see how things turn out since some people care about value and not just raw performance

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

Just now, dany_boy said:

Well then it comes down to OP, if you think spending 2x the money is worth an extra 10-20% performance boost, then go for it. I'm just saying you should wait and see how things turn out since some people care about value and not just raw performance

its more like 30-40% from the looks of it 

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Moress said:

I will say the same thing I have with every one of these threads.. Ryzen chips are good for budget production work. If you're purely gaming then stick with the simliarly priced Intel chip, if you are streaming or editing then go for the Ryzen equivalent (pricewise)

Would you say that a 4770K is a good gaming chip? most likely yes.

the reason people say that Ryzen is bad for gaming, is because it's compared against 7700Ks, which boost up to 4.5Ghz, which are obviously better for single threaded games.

Ryzen 5 hexa cores will blow the 4770k out of the water in every way. it will be better in games than the 4770k, just not as good as the 7700K

[RadiatingLight]

FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!

 

Worse than the 7700K =/= Bad for gaming.

Ryzen is AMAZING for gaming, especially if the intel alternative is a dual core i3, when Ryzen 5 will let you get a quad core for the same price

[dany_boy]

1 minute ago, Alaradia said:

its more like 30-40% from the looks of it 

Im basing my statement on the R7 lineup vs the intel equivalents

[RadiatingLight]

2 minutes ago, Alaradia said:

its more like 30-40% from the looks of it 

show me a benchmark where Ryzen is 30-40% worse than a 7700K. you won't find it unless you're looking at extremely high FPS gaming, (above 144HZ)

[RadiatingLight]

8 minutes ago, dany_boy said:

Do you have compelling information/proof/calculations to back that up? CPU operation is not a simple as people think. Lots of factors come into play

Look up Ryzen CCX

 

they made their CPUs modular so they could have an easier time scaling them up/down.

 

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

show me a benchmark where Ryzen is 30-40% worse than a 7700K. you won't find it unless you're looking at extremely high FPS gaming, (above 144HZ)

There are no r5 benchmarks its a approximation based off the ipc and 4.5ghz speed of the i7

[dany_boy]

Just now, Alaradia said:

There are no r5 benchmarks its a approximation based off the ipc and 4.5ghz speed of the i7

He menat r7 benchmarks, which are out there and very concrete, just like I said beforehand

 

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

Look up Ryzen CCX

 

they made their CPUs modular so they could have an easier time scaling them up/down.

 

I know they are 4C/8T modules, I was referring to the clock speeds you mentioned.

[cj09beira]

22 minutes ago, mbox said:

Well, that was crystal clear! Please I don't want to know if you like more Intel or amd, I want to buy a CPU for my self. The IPC of ryzen 7 and 5 will be the same?

the only difference might be that ryzen 5, might or might not overclock more.

(and core count)

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, dany_boy said:

He menat r7 benchmarks, which are out there and very concrete, just like I said beforehand

 

I know they are 4C/8T modules, I was referring to the clock speeds you mentioned.

ah ok.

well it seems to be common sense, although I could be wrong.

if both CCXs can run together at 4Ghz, why couldn't they run separately? I may be wrong about that though.

[RadiatingLight]

24 minutes ago, mbox said:

Well, that was crystal clear! Please I don't want to know if you like more Intel or amd, I want to buy a CPU for my self. The IPC of ryzen 7 and 5 will be the same?

Yes IPC will be the same.

 

Just wait until it comes out.

no matter what you end up buying, it will be cheaper than it is now.

[dany_boy]

Just now, RadiatingLight said:

ah ok.

well it seems to be common sense, although I could be wrong.

if both CCXs can run together at 4Ghz, why couldn't they run separately? I may be wrong about that though.

That is indeed my point, its very hard to determine the max speeds a CPU will hit without empirical data.