≈200$ Gaming CPU, should I wait for ryzen 5?

[PeachyUwUSenpai]

2 minutes ago, dany_boy said:

He menat r7 benchmarks, which are out there and very concrete, just like I said beforehand

 

since im the one that said It i meant the r5 benchmarks since were talking about r5 vs i7 not about r7

[Coaxialgamer]

If you don't need a cpu now, i would wait. 

200$ gets you an i5 7500 atm. Thats a locked chip with 4cores 4 threads at 3.4ghz. Ryzen 5 won't clock significantly higher than ryzen 7, but it will sure as hell clock higher than 3.4ghz, more than making up for the small ipc gap. It will also have more cores and/or more threads. 

Not to mention you'll probably be running a mid range gpu like the 1060 or 480, which will be the bottleneck, not the cpu. 

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Alaradia said:

since im the one that said It i meant the r5 benchmarks since were talking about r5 vs i7 not about r7

We don't have R5 benchmarks yet, so all we can do is compare the R7 against the i7 line.

 

Even with 4 cores disabled, the R7 (basically neutered into an R5) doesn't lag behind by 30%. it's more like 10-15%

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

If you don't need a cpu now, i would wait. 

200$ gets you an i5 7500 atm. Thats a locked chip with 4cores 4 threads at 3.4ghz. Ryzen 5 won't clock significantly higher than ryzen 7, but it will sure as hell clock higher than 3.4ghz, more than making up for the small ipc gap. It will also have more cores. 

Not to mention you'll probably be running a mid range gpu like the 1060 or 480, which will be the bottleneck, not the cpu. 

Finally somebody is making sense.

 

even if R5 isn't as good for gaming as Intel's side, OP should still wait, because when R5 drops, Intel will lower their prices so the $200 could get a 7700 instead of a 7500

[Moress]

15 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Would you say that a 4770K is a good gaming chip? most likely yes.

the reason people say that Ryzen is bad for gaming, is because it's compared against 7700Ks, which boost up to 4.5Ghz, which are obviously better for single threaded games.

Ryzen 5 hexa cores will blow the 4770k out of the water in every way. it will be better in games than the 4770k, just not as good as the 7700K

  I don't care about old hardware. I compare Ryzen to its price competitive modern counterpart.
  So the 1400x to the 7500, the 1500 to the 7600k. There's a chance that the 1400x will be better for gaming than the 7500, and in that case I will suggest it over the 7500, and there's a small chance that the 1500 will be better and in that case I will suggest that.
  As of now, the 1700 and 7700k are the ones that are competing and the 1700x to the 6800k and so on. And in the cases of the 1700x and 1800x I do suggest them because they are the better option in their use case, and I suggest the 7700k over the 1700 (for gaming) because it is better than the 1700 for gaming, plain and simple..

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10 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Yes IPC will be the same.

 

Just wait until it comes out.

no matter what you end up buying, it will be cheaper than it is now.

Ok , last question, has Intel already adjusted pricing in America after the lunch of ryzen 7? Because here in Italy it doesn't seem so

[EPPHO]

43 minutes ago, bakidota said:

dont wait for ryzen, amd will need years to develop higher clocks on their chips

Wow

[Moress]

Just now, mbox said:

Ok , last question, has Intel already adjusted pricing in America after the lunch of ryzen 7? Because here in Italy it doesn't seem so

There was a slight drop in pricing but nothing major. Don't expect anything further either.

[Coaxialgamer]

7 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

Finally somebody is making sense.

 

even if R5 isn't as good for gaming as Intel's side, OP should still wait, because when R5 drops, Intel will lower their prices so the $200 could get a 7700 instead of a 7500

Knowing intel, they probably won't lower their prices , or if they do it will take some time.  After all, they haven't dropped prices on the i7 lineup despite ryzen 7 having launched and being faster than most of the hedt chips, at the same cost or lower.

 

Another argument i could make for ryzen 5 is that most of the bugs we're seeing on ryzen 7 atm will probably be ironed out by the time it releases. 

[Coaxialgamer]

7 minutes ago, mbox said:

Ok , last question, has Intel already adjusted pricing in America after the lunch of ryzen 7? Because here in Italy it doesn't seem so

They didn't. A lot of people thought they did when microcenter lowered the prices in their stores, but in reality the MSRP is still the same. 

[Techstorm970]

Honestly, it depends on what games you play.  If a lot of your games are from 2015 or earlier, go for the i5-7500, as these games heavily rely on IPC.  However, if you play a lot of newer titles, like Battlefield 1, then you want to wait for Ryzen 5.  Games are becoming somewhat more reliant on core and thread count, meaning that newer games will generally benefit from a good balance of IPC and core/thread count, rather than just IPC.  The Ryzen 5 1400X will have 4 cores, 8 threads, and Ivy Bridge IPC or better, which is a perfect balance.

[Techstorm970]

55 minutes ago, bakidota said:

dont wait for ryzen, amd will need years to develop higher clocks on their chips

Ignore this guy.  More Ghz != more performance.

[Techstorm970]

48 minutes ago, bakidota said:

dont let amd fanboys fool you, as i said amd will need years to develop higher clock speeds

As I said, ignore this guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[dizmo]

@Coaxialgamer summed it up best, glad he got the solution solver...trophy. If you can afford to wait, wait. Can't lose anything from it. I imagine the i5 will still be the choice to go with but hey, who knows? It also depends largely on the resolutions you play at etc.

 

3 hours ago, TomR said:

People have been telling me to wait for Ryzen for months. I waited. After seeing benchmarks I still got the 7700k. But I'm still glad I waited. So it's up to, wait or game now.

To be fair, the 7700k isn't really a competitor to the Ryzen chips that were released.

3 hours ago, mbox said:

Well, that was crystal clear! Please I don't want to know if you like more Intel or amd, I want to buy a CPU for my self. The IPC of ryzen 7 and 5 will be the same?

We can't see the future, we can only make assumptions. So it's not really a question that can be answered.

3 hours ago, RadiatingLight said:

The question is this:

 

with 200 today, OP could probably buy a i5 7500

with 200 after Ryzen launch, OP could either buy a Ryzen 5 1500X, which is a 4-core with hyperthreading, or, assuming intel will lower CPU pricing, a 7700 for $200.

 

even if OP won't buy AMD, Intel's prices will still drop a ton when Ryzen 5 is released.

They won't. Why would they? You don't immediately drop prices. You wait and see how the market actually reacts, and you have to wait for sales numbers to come in before that happens. Intel can easily withstand a quarter keeping the same pricing and seeing how they fare. Not only that, initial sales have to be factored in; people that have been waiting for AMD, and only AMD.

3 hours ago, RadiatingLight said:

I lost you at SMG

I made it half way through then got lost.

Honestly I think the main problem is people writing paragraphs with no separation of ideas, proper structure, and lacking any form of punctuation.

3 hours ago, bakidota said:

dont let amd fanboys fool you, as i said amd will need years to develop higher clock speeds

Clock speed isn't always indicative of performance.

3 hours ago, Factory OC said:

Intel will try to lower their processors price, so you can wait for that.

I highly doubt that. Not the ones the OP would be looking at, anyway.

3 hours ago, RadiatingLight said:

show me a benchmark where Ryzen is 30-40% worse than a 7700K. you won't find it unless you're looking at extremely high FPS gaming, (above 144HZ)

I think it falls really, really hard when it comes to 1080p gaming. Which, chances are, is what the OP would be doing.