14 year old Irish girl is sueing Facebook because a naked picture of her was posted on the site?

[PRTI]

Just now, nobelharvards said:

You just narrowed your age range to any potential paedophilia stalkers. Not your smartest move.

Fuck...while i guess i'm gonna get gangbanged from stalkers on a LTT forum...

1 minute ago, nobelharvards said:

Judging from this, you wouldn't be anywhere near smart enough

Ever heard of a lawyer ?

4 minutes ago, nobelharvards said:

rich enough

So a 14 year old can sue facebook and she has enough money?

4 minutes ago, nobelharvards said:

or educated enough to even know how to play the legal game.

Again,ever heard of a lawyer ?

[nobelharvards]

19 minutes ago, keNNySOC said:

Fuck...while i guess i'm gonna get gangbanged from stalkers on a LTT forum...

Ever heard of a lawyer ?

So a 14 year old can sue facebook and she has enough money?

Again,ever heard of a lawyer ?

 

Hey everyone, look at this kid. We all want to be just like him/her!

 

Edgy af.

 

Did typing that out make you feel big and strong?

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, nobelharvards said:

Hey everyone, look at this kid. We all want to be just like him/her!

 

Edgy af.

[PRTI]

4 minutes ago, nobelharvards said:

 

Hey everyone, look at this kid. We all want to be just like him/her!

 

Edgy af.

 

Did typing that out make you feel big and strong?

So what are you saying? i'm wrong or what? are you defending the girl or facebook?

[theninja35]

39 minutes ago, Mirdon said:

No, that's not how it works.

I really think that you should at least form a thought before you make a post. Every post you've written to me consists of one sentence and no explanation whatsoever. 

36 minutes ago, keNNySOC said:

So i can pretty much take my nude,let someone post it and THEN SUE FACEBOOK and try to get money out from them...interesting....

If that's how you'd like to interpret what I've said, then feel free to do so. However, you should know that Facebook is at fault because they should be capable of taking action and not allowing the man to post the image more than once or twice.

1 hour ago, Master Disaster said:

While that's technically correct I strongly doubt anybody would be able to make that stick, as long as Facebook have appropriate policies in place to deal with it when it happens and they can prove those policies were followed then it's really not on them. 

 

TBH I'd be very surprised if Facebook don't have agreements with police forces around the world whereby when this happens they hand over the images and the details of the poster to the police straightaway. 

You make a good point. I had not thought of the policies that Facebook has in place. But they really should have alerted some agency of law enforcement to deal with the man who posted the pictures (it looks like they haven't), because it's likely that they have seen the picture in order to delete it.

[Master Disaster]

Just now, keNNySOC said:

So what are you saying? i'm wrong or what? are you defending the girl or facebook?

Are you not? Jesus she's a 14 year old child who did something stupid. That makes her no different to LITERALLY EVERY OTHER 14 year old on this planet right now. 

 

She doesn't need to be attacked over this and tbh your behaviour is frankly alarming. 

[Master Disaster]

3 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Ignore this, I pressed wrong button and couldn't delete it. 

 

@theninja35Remember we don't know the full story and likely never will, due to her age what we know now is all we will ever know. Facebook might have banned him and they might have reported him. 

[PRTI]

1 minute ago, theninja35 said:

If that's how you'd like to interpret what I've said, then feel free to do so. However, you should know that Facebook is at fault because they should be capable of taking action and not allowing the man to post the image more than once or twice.

Well then they should make a time period between posting multiple times,and then once they see it once they delete his whole account

 

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Are you not? Jesus she's a 14 year old child who did something stupid. That makes her no different to LITERALLY EVERY OTHER 14 year old on this planet right now. 

 

She doesn't need to be attacked over this and tbh your behaviour is frankly alarming. 

Suing facebook? really? that's a normal 14 year old? maybe normal,but immature af

 

Facebook did all they could at the time,she's immature af and should just suck it up and learn to NOT take nudes at 14,and even if SHE DOES take nudes NOT to give them to someone else and then blame facebook

[Master Disaster]

7 minutes ago, keNNySOC said:

Well then they should make a time period between posting multiple times,and then once they see it once they delete his whole account

 

Suing facebook? really? that's a normal 14 year old? maybe normal,but immature af

 

Facebook did all they could at the time,she's immature af and should just suck it up and learn to NOT take nudes at 14,and even if SHE DOES take nudes NOT to give them to someone else and then blame facebook

Your so clueless it's laughable. FTR it's really not her sueing them, as you pointed out she's 14 and could never afford it. 

 

Much more likely is at some point her parents spoke to a lawyer and they convinced the parents to pursue it in court. As she in under 16 they can sue on her behalf, they have right of attorney over her until the day of her 16th birthday. 

 

Do you really think she would want this dragged through court? I'm sure she's aware that this would make the news at least nationally. Her parents have seen £$€¥¢. 

[theninja35]

7 minutes ago, keNNySOC said:

Well then they should make a time period between posting multiple times,and then once they see it once they delete his whole account

 

Suing facebook? really? that's a normal 14 year old? maybe normal,but immature af

 

Facebook did all they could at the time,she's immature af and should just suck it up and learn to NOT take nudes at 14,and even if SHE DOES take nudes NOT to give them to someone else and then blame facebook

I don't think you understand the severity of what has happened. The images of her were released to probably thousands of people. Posting the image, even if no one sees it, is a federal crime. You can't just shrug that off and say that tomorrow is going to be a better day.

[PRTI]

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Your so clueless it's laughable. FTR it's really not her sueing them, as you pointed out she's 14 and could never afford it. 

 

Much more likely is at some point her parents spoke to a lawyer and they convinced the parents to pursue it in court. As she in under 16 they can sue on her behalf, they have right of attorney over her until the day of her 16th birthday. 

 

Do you really think she would want this dragged through court? I'm sure she's aware that this would make the news at least nationally. Her parents have seen £$€¥¢. 

Good...its gonna be good watching her parents pay the lawyer and then lose the case and pay taxes...

 

Just now, theninja35 said:

I don't think you understand the severity of what has happened. The images of her were released to probably thousands of people. Posting the image, even if no one sees it, is a federal crime. You can't just shrug that off and say that tomorrow is going to be a better day.

That guy who posted them is guilty,the girl is guilty,i don't see why facebook should be guilty

[Master Disaster]

5 minutes ago, keNNySOC said:

Good...its gonna be good watching her parents pay the lawyer and then lose the case and pay taxes...

 

That guy who posted them is guilty,the girl is guilty,i don't see why facebook should be guilty

I agree that's likely what the outcome will be. 

 

Because it's ILLEGAL to host an image depicting paedophilia period. As I've explained technically Facebook did host the image and ergo broke the law but I doubt any judge would ever go down that route, Facebook will have strict guidelines for these situations and as long as they followed them they will be fine. 

[Mirdon]

15 minutes ago, theninja35 said:

I really think that you should at least form a thought before you make a post. Every post you've written to me consists of one sentence and no explanation whatsoever. 

The answer is quite simple, because there's nothing to talk about.

1. I don't know why you're blaming facebook when it already did what it could.

2. I don't know why you claim that they're at fault simply because they have the ability to host pictures.

3. I don't know why you keep insisting that flawed logic.

[PRTI]

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I agree that's likely what the outcome will be. 

 

Because it's ILLEGAL to host an image depicting paedophilia period. As I've explained technically Facebook did host the image and ergo broke the law but I doubt any judge would ever go down that route, Facebook will have strict guidelines for these situations and as long as they followed them they will be fine. 

Ik technically it IS facebook's fault for hosting it to the webs,in reality its not

 

Its like saying,the world is technically flat because that's how it feels,in reality its not

 

Still,that just shows how much they care for there child/kid,if it was just deleted and no action was taken on there side this would not hit any major news,there parents just saw the $ and not the stuff and words the kid will go thru at school/life

[Master Disaster]

2 minutes ago, Mirdon said:

The answer is quite simple, because there's nothing to talk about.

1. I don't know why you're blaming facebook when it already did what it could.

2. I don't know why you claim that they're at fault simply because they have the ability to host pictures.

3. I don't know why you keep insisting that flawed logic.

Well if you watch WAN you'll of heard Linus say many times, the owner of the website is responsible for anything that site contains, no matter who posted it. 

 

Think of it this way, the owner of Kickass just got arrested and charged because his site hosted torrent files despite the fact he wasn't responsible for posting any of the torrent files it contained. 

 

That said, Facebook only have blame in this if they failed to follow their policies & procedures and it can be proved they put her at risk and failed to protect her. As long as they did everything they should (and could) have done they're absolved. 

[Serin]

The amount of victim blaming in this thread is unsurprising, but still disappointing.

[Mirdon]

4 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Well if you watch WAN you'll of heard Linus say many times, the owner of the website is responsible for anything that site contains, no matter who posted it. 

 

Think of it this way, the owner of Kickass just got arrested and charged because his site hosted torrent files despite the fact he wasn't responsible for posting any of the torrent files it contained. 

 

That said, Facebook only have blame in this if they failed to follow their policies & procedures and it can be proved they put her at risk and failed to protect her. As long as they did everything they should (and could) have done they're absolved. 

Let me stop you right there, kat is not the same as facebook and shouldn't be compared as such because:

1. They don't actively block malicious, illegal and copyrighted content.

2. They DON'T HOST the files, do you even know how torrent site works? They only link you to the actual host, they're NOT the host, how do think peering works?

3. I'm still baffled how you and theninja claim that facebook is responsible.

 

[KuJoe]

I'm suing <insert city here> because they provided the roads that allowed a car to hit me.

[KuJoe]

Also, when did people start believing the internet was a private place ESPECIALLY if you voluntarily send something to another person? That's just a weird concept for me.

[Malcritch]

  The solution to this for these big data systems, will eventually be checking any data being posted to their systems. If it fails and is flagged as against terms and agreements temp ban the user with a message for why and let them know their account is under review,  and send a request to an overview group to look into the post and ban the account that is being used to upload this stuff to their servers.

 

 I do the same with my web site it prevents illegal login attempts, and invalid submissions from being saved to the servers ( text data only).

 

 True they would have to hire people for this overview group but that is about it.

 

 Why do you think they are dropping so much money into deep learning systems, validation AI systems. Hurray. (Scan => Fail => Delete).

 

 Also in these situations the person to blame is the person that performed the action, not the person or company that makes the vehicle, otherwise we would all sue the car manufacturers when someone hits someone else with their car.

Edited September 11, 2016 by Malcritch
Update thought.

[KuJoe]

9 minutes ago, Malcritch said:

  The solution to this for these big data systems, will eventually be checking any data being posted to their systems. If it fails and is flagged as against terms and agreements temp ban the user with a message for why and let them know their account is under review,  and send a request to an overview group to look into the post and ban the account that is being used to upload this stuff to their servers.

 

 I do the same with my web site it prevents illegal login attempts, and invalid submissions from being saved to the servers ( text data only).

 

 True they would have to hire people for this overview group but that is about it.

 

 Why do you think they are dropping so much money into deep learning systems, validation AI systems. Hurray. (Scan => Fail => Delete).

Not possible with current technology. Maybe in 5-10 years it might be, but by then Facebook will be a distant memory for the people who are abusing it.

[handymanshandle]

1 hour ago, Master Disaster said:

I agree that's likely what the outcome will be. 

 

Because it's ILLEGAL to host an image depicting paedophilia period. As I've explained technically Facebook did host the image and ergo broke the law but I doubt any judge would ever go down that route, Facebook will have strict guidelines for these situations and as long as they followed them they will be fine. 

I don't really think Facebook can be held accountable because if I'm not mistaken they have an algorithm that is suppose to catch and delete photos with nudity in them so really Facebook has a safeguard in place to prevent something like this.

[ThinkWithPortals]

3 hours ago, theninja35 said:

If they're hosting the image, then they are as equally in possession of child pornography as the man who posted the images multiple times. And thus, it's Facebook's fault and a lawsuit is a reasonable action.

So, if that's true, a child could take a nude, upload it themselves and then sue Facebook lawfully. That's like someone running up to someone else, giving them their wallet, shouting "HE STOLE MY WALLET" and calling the cops.

[glitchmaster0001]

it's not facebook's fault since they weren't the ones that posted the picture, she should be suing whoever posted that picture of her. not facebook... i mean facebook did remove the picture as soon as someone reported it. 

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, Malcritch said:

  The solution to this for these big data systems, will eventually be checking any data being posted to their systems. If it fails and is flagged as against terms and agreements temp ban the user with a message for why and let them know their account is under review,  and send a request to an overview group to look into the post and ban the account that is being used to upload this stuff to their servers.

 

 I do the same with my web site it prevents illegal login attempts, and invalid submissions from being saved to the servers ( text data only).

 

 True they would have to hire people for this overview group but that is about it.

 

 Why do you think they are dropping so much money into deep learning systems, validation AI systems. Hurray. (Scan => Fail => Delete).

 

 Also in these situations the person to blame is the person that performed the action, not the person or company that makes the vehicle, otherwise we would all sue the car manufacturers when someone hits someone else with their car.

If the car doesn't work correctly and caused the car accident the manufacturer gets sued. Facebook not having an proper way of preventing something like this in place is kinda like a car not having brakes. I find it hard to believe Facebook has no other way to prevent this than just deleting flagged pictures. Plus I think everyone is giving the person who posted the picture too much credit thinking they would be able to get through any additional security measures Facebook could makes to prevent this.