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Jagged Shadows,Pop in,Low LOD and jagged aa

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10 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

I can tell you right now that Minecraft does NOT work with AA at all.  DSR crashes when you go fullscreen. FSAA was forced on in the driver for these, it does nothing.  It has done nothing for a long time now.

 

Folder with caps from R5 1400 with GTX 670.

Folder with caps from IvyBridge using iGPU in linux.

 

I remember why I stopped playing MC now, its a game built solely from bugs and programming glitches.  The game resolution scales with Windows UI scaling... WUT?  That's one mystery solved.  Also, do NOT force AF unless you disable it in game, it breaks the graphics pretty bad if you have it enabled in both places.  16X AF creates odd shimmering in some places due to the design of the textures, 4X AF is plenty for MC and causes the least issues.

 

Attached image is about what MC looks like using DSR.  Getting DSR working is very jankey but looks pretty good.

Steps to get MC working with DSR...

 

disable DPI scaling for the Minecraft shortcut

make sure full screen is disabled in game

set DSR factors in NV Control Panel

set desktop resolution to your desired DSR factor (4k on 1080p gives 4x AA)

start game

maximize the game window

NEVER hit F11, game will crash.

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Alright thanks for the picture. Now can you open Pay Day 2 and play the first mall heist and simply don't move.

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2 hours ago, lordante said:

Your screen just confirm you didn't read anything on this thread.
If you had take a look at it, you will know this moutain is "screened" from the other side.

So you try to play the super hero, but finaly, you missed the bug on the two screens about the same moutain. You did not read the thread, how can you confirm or cancel anything on it?

ANYWAY congratulation, you are not "infected" or "affected", now, read the thread, stop thinking you are the messia, and see what is wrong on the moutain image given earlier.

BTW, it is simple, i up to date my computer's drivers every week (since years now). I listed all my Hardware (and changed all parts too). The only factors staying: Intel, windows (but i changed from 7 to 10).
The only one who get ride of this did something "new", because Ryzen is "new".
The only one making the test is me (even if it will be a fail, we can remove Intel suspicion).

But if you want us to make "pro" test, OK, just give me the money!!!
I sold all my Hardware to get to Ryzen (and i made a smart move, selling my old hardwares make me win near 200€). I will not test product one by one, because if i do and the corruption is the one passing between Cmos/GPU... I'm fu..d!

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Did you even look at the Dropbox links?  Of course not, because you are too worried about trolling to even think.

 

For those too worried about conspiracy theories, the links in my post have 20-30 screen caps of the area in game.

 

1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

Alright thanks for the picture. Now can you open Pay Day 2 and play the first mall heist and simply don't move.

 

Don't have Pay Day 2.

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6 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Did you even look at the Dropbox links?  Of course not, because you are too worried about trolling to even think.

 

For those too worried about conspiracy theories, the links in my post have 20-30 screen caps of the area in game.

 

 

Don't have Pay Day 2.

Try GTA V then

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Don't have GTA V either, may have a copy of GTA IV hanging around though.

 

Quick rundown of what I have on the system...

 

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ARK

Arma 2

Arma 3

Assasins Creed 1 & 2

All Batman games

All Borderlands games

Dirt 3

Day of Defeat: Source

Doom

Devil May Cry

Dota 2

Elder Scrolls Online

Fallout 3

Fallout: New Vegas

Fallout 4

Grid Autosport

Killing Floor

Metro 2033 (OG)

No Mans Sky

Portal 1 & 2

Rust

Serious Sam Classic

Space Engineers

Strike Suit Infinity & Zero

System Shock 1 & 2

Team Fortress 2

Wolfenstein: The old Blood

 

Mass Effect: Andromeda

Sleeping Dogs

Watch Dogs

L.A. Noire

BioShock 2 & Inf

 

 

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13 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Don't have GTA V either, may have a copy of GTA IV hanging around though.

 

Quick rundown of what I have on the system...

 

Antichamber

ARK

Arma 2

Arma 3

Assasins Creed 1 & 2

All Batman games

All Borderlands games

Dirt 3

Day of Defeat: Source

Doom

Devil May Cry

Dota 2

Elder Scrolls Online

Fallout 3

Fallout: New Vegas

Fallout 4

Grid Autosport

Killing Floor

Metro 2033 (OG)

No Mans Sky

Portal 1 & 2

Rust

Serious Sam Classic

Space Engineers

Strike Suit Infinity & Zero

System Shock 1 & 2

Team Fortress 2

Wolfenstein: The old Blood

 

Mass Effect: Andromeda

Sleeping Dogs

Watch Dogs

L.A. Noire

BioShock 2 & Inf

 

 

Just try AAA titles

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On 7/15/2017 at 10:23 AM, BuckGup said:

Yeah thats why some games aren't the best to test in. Minecraft is great due to it's block style.

Here are too screenshots. One has the problem one doesn't.

 

That is what happens when you force 16X AF in Minecraft (mentioned in my other post).  The only way to make it not look like that is to disable in game AF if you force it with the GPU control panel.  Actually, it looks like a bunch of these problems could be coming from GPU driver forced quality settings.

 

Getting L.A. Noire setup again ATM. 

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Elder Scrolls Online

Did two video on it.
 

 On the first, not sure you can really see it, because video recording is not good enough. You can still see it on Windows or wall (but not on the stair far away).

Second one is even more bad. But wait until the end, and look at the flickering bow.

And if you have time, look at my warthunder video. Tested in DirectX and Open GL...

And , if you have more more time, look all video: Especially BF1 one, where TAA make the game playable again.


Your comportment is like doctor with people infected by Lyme disease, saying all test are OK, people continue to explain how bad they feal, and finaly, one doctor smarter or more concerned, find the Lyme disease... Even if all test (inclunding the one who detect this disease) are giving no result!

I hate this, simply because someone like you with his super "high" skill, make french topic on another forum to be closed.


BTW, did someone tested a Linux build?

And:

I tested, one by one:

Gtx 660 - r9 290x - r9 390x <--- on same computer just GPU change (And format + reinstal each time).
Then, tested MB, nothing else changed, same trouble. (still with clean instal).
Same for ram.
Then i tested z97 + i74790K. Clean instal, nothing changed. (and tested with r9 390x - r7 370 and RX 580)
Tested multiple screen with different cable AND different plugin (HDMI VGA DP). 
Changed all internal cable too, with gold one (screen too)!
PSU too...
Removed HDD to test, removed SSD to test, removed DVD to test...
I EVEN isolated the MB from anything but PSU!!!
Changed the computer case.
I changed home, so electrical trouble, i really doubt. BUT i will buy something to prevent shutdown and electricity trouble soon (because here, i have some powerloss for 1 second).
Win7 and Win10 = same trouble (know on 8.1 too).
CMOS tryed (BTW with 3 MB... Even removed the battery).
Changed fans (hey you want to know all).


And,BuckGup tested AMD FX CPU.

EDIT:

You really think we did not try GPU control panel (AMD or Nvidia....)? I even forced LOD (with different value -5 to +5) for AMD GPU using the regedit.

And imagine i used all kind of benchmark. Memtest and CPU test (intel one and another prime95?).

BTW, if our troubles were so simple to resolve, why AMD and Intel accepted to give me my money back after all the test + video?

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Second post, because i want this question beeing easly seen:

When i create a Win10 instal copy, does it use my own windows, or does it DL on Microsoft server?

Can someone (not in/afected) make a Win10 instal DVD, and send it to someone here? (i'm in france for my part)

This is pure speculation, but i used same copy for the two computer at home ( yes laptop is in/afected too).

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You can CRC check an install media to see if it has been altered, its not that difficult.

 

Windows media creation tool downloads from MS.

 

For ESO try disabling all driver forced quality settings.  Forced AF/AA can break quite a few games.

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Ok so:

Windows media creation tool has a CRC check. So impossible the win10 reinstal drive is corrupted.

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2 minutes ago, lordante said:

Ok so:

Windows media creation tool has a CRC check. So impossible the win10 reinstal drive is corrupted.

If you don't trust it you can CRC check it yourself and compare to another users CRC check.  Both users would need to be using the same language for the media AFAIK.

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33 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

 

That is what happens when you force 16X AF in Minecraft (mentioned in my other post).  The only way to make it not look like that is to disable in game AF if you force it with the GPU control panel.  Actually, it looks like a bunch of these problems could be coming from GPU driver forced quality settings.

 

Getting L.A. Noire setup again ATM. 

Except the problem happen on iGPUs too.

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Except the problem happen on iGPUs too.

You can force AF on iGPUs.  There is an option in the intel iGPU control panel for it if you dig around enough, and I believe it is defaulted to 4X or 8X if you choose the 'quality' preset.  The quick fix is to disable AF in game.

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1 minute ago, KarathKasun said:

You can force AF on iGPUs.  There is an option in the intel iGPU control panel for it if you dig around enough.  The quick fix is to disable AF in game.

Disabling has no effect

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6 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Disabling has no effect

What iGPU?  Some of the AMD ones have a 'texture alignment fix' option in the driver (old VLIW ones especially).

 

I can break out my cheap Haswell laptop and replicate if that is similar hardware.  Screen cap below is from GTX 670 with forced AF, that's the only time the problem surfaces.

 

I would assume that game optimizer software (GeForce Experience comes to mind for many users) could also flip registry bits to force AF as well.

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14 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

What iGPU?  Some of the AMD ones have a 'texture alignment fix' option in the driver (old VLIW ones especially).

 

I can break out my cheap Haswell laptop and replicate if that is similar hardware.  Screen cap below is from GTX 670 with forced AF, that's the only time the problem surfaces.

 

I would assume that game optimizer software (GeForce Experience comes to mind for many users) could also flip registry bits to force AF as well.

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So for minecraft turning AF off does get rid of the transparency like shown above but the other problems in games like GTA V, witcher, and so on are still present. Especially the shimmering borders and low LOD.

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Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but disable all user override profiles for the game and test again.  Overrides can totally wreck in game LOD algos.

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i just signed up to talk about this problem.im having same issues you all described.for the last 2 or 3 days i have been messing with my system settings and stuff.searched the internet avforums,neogaf,lots of youtube videos and all that,but still im having same issues.jagged edges,flickering,shimmmering etc.I saw the neogaf thread here and changed my TV settings and now it looks better than before,i have tried new settings with several games.It doesnt look as bad as before but still the same jagged lines exist.Actually,i dont know what to do now;i have 2 or 3 options left;either im gonna sell my pc completely,or my TV or im just gonna quit gaming because of this.So far i have tried;Different hdmi cables,different hdmi ports,AA,FXAA,MSAA,VSYNC settings both in the game and via the radeon settings,I have removed my GPU,PSU&Ram and installed again,deleted old drivers,installed again but nothing,a huge nothing.Its like AA settings wont work at all.It looks terrible.I have tried old games&new games,even the Hitman Sniper Challenge game( a game that should work with all settings at ultra) looks terrible.It has jagged lines,edges here and there.

Anyway,its been a long post but its drivin me nutz.Now, i just saw a post in steam discussions mentioning that if I install Windows 8.1 it fixes those issues,i dont know if it helps or not,but im gonna try for sure.

here is my specs;

Intel Core I3 3220

Sapphire RX460 2 GB Single Fan OC
Corsair VS450
6 GB DDR3 Ram

And dont even tell me that i get those jagged lines because my sistem bad.No,i get that terrible lines in every single game.I have seen people who playing for example GTA V on a 720p monitor and it was like next gen,with full AA.There's definitely something wrong with our systems.

(Im from Republic of Turkey btw,pardon my language if theres any mistakes.)

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46 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but disable all user override profiles for the game and test again.  Overrides can totally wreck in game LOD algos.

Lol. I'm dying here. Because I suggested waaaaaaay back when I first saw these threads, to turn OFF any forced or override settings in NVCP because I found they either broke the function or didn't do anything in any games I tested. 

 

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I have tried that too,disabled,resetted AMD Radeon Settings but so far nothing has changed.

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45 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

Lol. I'm dying here. Because I suggested waaaaaaay back when I first saw these threads, to turn OFF any forced or override settings in NVCP because I found they either broke the function or didn't do anything in any games I tested. 

 

Round and round we go...

That's the problem when someone doesn't read a thread... I told him to do, but he think he is smarter than anyone!

AND, i'm playing on a little computer here, no AF, nothing activated in AMD panel, and i game i use 1080P and nothing, all to low, still some flickering...

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Its hard to read a whole thread and take all of it serious when the posts in it sound like paranoia.

 

L.A. Noire has aliasing pretty bad with "AA" turned on in game, but that's what I remember from any GTA based game from Rockstar.  Mostly comes down to AA not working right with deferred shading, you just get post processing AA.

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39 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Its hard to read a whole thread and take all of it serious when the posts in it sound like paranoia.

 

L.A. Noire has aliasing pretty bad with "AA" turned on in game, but that's what I remember from any GTA based game from Rockstar.  Mostly comes down to AA not working right with deferred shading, you just get post processing AA.

Then how do you explain the LOD problem just for shadow quality in games across the board and the shimmering look that makes it look like you are looking through a screen door? If you turn off all AA and FX processing it looks worse, how it should, but the problem still exists even with things downscaled from 8K with 200% frame scaling. If it was simply AA brute forcing the res and downscaling would make the issue less prominent but it has no effect

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Scaling can make things worse unless you use a very high smoothing factor.  In MC using DSR introduces its own shimmering into planar textures (think ocean) because its filtering on top of filtering.

 

Downscaling can only fix so much high frequency noise.  If anything reduce your texture LOD, things will be 'smoother' at the cost of reducing detail somewhat.  MSAA is dead mostly due to the direction rendering has developed over the last 5-10 years, and at this point post process AA is not great in many games.  You could try SweetFX or some other shader code injector if you want good post AA.

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14 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Scaling can make things worse unless you use a very high smoothing factor.  In MC using DSR introduces its own shimmering into planar textures (think ocean) because its filtering on top of filtering.

 

Downscaling can only fix so much high frequency noise.  If anything reduce your texture LOD, things will be 'smoother' at the cost of reducing detail somewhat.  MSAA is dead mostly due to the direction rendering has developed over the last 5-10 years, and at this point post process AA is not great in many games.  You could try SweetFX or some other shader code injector if you want good post AA.

So why would the issue start randomly and why doesn't it appear on every system?

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