Will 4790k bottleneck gtx1080?

[Big-G]

So if a 4790K will work, will a 4770K work also?

[Energycore]

4 Hours in on the stress test and no hardware error yet!

 

Here's a bench.

 

[Noirgheos]

Everyone is mentioning the 4690K and 4790K... no one mentions the 6600K. It has massive gains over the 4690K, and in a couple of games, even matches or beats the 4790K. Putting it to 4.4GHz also makes it perform at 6700K levels. Shame no one here has one with a high end GPU to test... or do we?

 

 

[Deli]

Sure after Kabylake is launched, people will start asking if 6600k and 6700k will bottleneck their fucking GPUs.....

[Arct1c0n]

My 4790k is at 4.7ghz air cooled, it can hold itself just fine in any game thrown at it for awhile. Probably won't upgrade again until Cannon or Icey Lake

 

 

[YongKang]

Mate, are you serious? Of course not!

[App4that]

4 hours ago, Noirgheos said:

Everyone is mentioning the 4690K and 4790K... no one mentions the 6600K. It has massive gains over the 4690K, and in a couple of games, even matches or beats the 4790K. Putting it to 4.4GHz also makes it perform at 6700K levels. Shame no one here has one with a high end GPU to test... or do we?

 

 

No, the gains enjoyed by Skylake are all from the DDR4. Not the CPU itself. Skylake is about efficiency, not performance. A 4790k beats a 6700k in some games when the RAM speed is equalized.

[Noirgheos]

6 hours ago, App4that said:

No, the gains enjoyed by Skylake are all from the DDR4. Not the CPU itself. Skylake is about efficiency, not performance. A 4790k beats a 6700k in some games when the RAM speed is equalized.

But isn't that going to mean that the 6700K and 6600K win nearly all the time?

 

I have 2800MHz RAM, so by overclocking to let's say 3200MHz, I'll gain frames? Potentially lower CPU usage in demanding games?

[Nena Trinity]

Only if the game suck...

[SuperFlower]

What about a i5 4460 3.2ghz and a gtx 1070? (1080p 60fps)

[Demiqas]

terrible, anything under an i7 5960x will be a bottleneck to most gpu's, let alone future ones.

[App4that]

9 hours ago, Noirgheos said:

But isn't that going to mean that the 6700K and 6600K win nearly all the time?

 

I have 2800MHz RAM, so by overclocking to let's say 3200MHz, I'll gain frames? Potentially lower CPU usage in demanding games?

The CPU doesn't win, the higher speed RAM does. And the gain from Higher frequency RAM gives out at 3200mhz, diminishing returns after that. I have my 1600mhz kit overclocked to 2000mhz. So the issue it testers like Digital Foundry have videos with 1600mhz RAM Haswell against the higher speed entry level Skylake DDR4. Not their fault, they have since corrected the mistake but the information is still out there. This is correct methodology at work, love this guy.

 

 

[Noirgheos]

21 minutes ago, App4that said:

The CPU doesn't win, the higher speed RAM does. And the gain from Higher frequency RAM gives out at 3200mhz, diminishing returns after that. I have my 1600mhz kit overclocked to 2000mhz. So the issue it testers like Digital Foundry have videos with 1600mhz RAM Haswell against the higher speed entry level Skylake DDR4. Not their fault, they have since corrected the mistake but the information is still out there. This is correct methodology at work, love this guy.

 

 

I've seen those videos. maybe I'm just not paying attention, but I don't see test system anywhere...

 

 

[App4that]

14 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

I've seen those videos. maybe I'm just not paying attention, but I don't see test system anywhere...

 

 

The i7 video give it in the description. He didn't include it in the i5 and people commented but it's the same for both.

[Noirgheos]

7 minutes ago, App4that said:

The i7 video give it in the description. He didn't include it in the i5 and people commented but it's the same for both.

Alright so 3200MHz. I'll see if I can achieve that. What's a good way to test for stability?

 

Also I think I should sell the 980 Ti before the 1080 actually drops. I just saw the EVGA ACX 3.0 one, normal price, cheaper than an aftermarket 980 Ti, the Gaming 6G. Also, I won't be replying for around an hour. My friend at the local store just texted me. They got 1080s in stock. I'll go do overclocked comparisons. Any games you want me to test?

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Noirgheos said:

Alright so 3200MHz. I'll see if I can achieve that. What's a good way to test for stability?

 

Also I think I should sell the 980 Ti before the 1080 actually drops. I just saw the EVGA ACX 3.0 one, normal price, cheaper than an aftermarket 980 Ti, the Gaming 6G. Also, I won't be replying for around an hour. My friend at the local store just texted me. They got 1080s in stock. I'll go do overclocked comparisons. Any games you want me to test?

Rise of the Tomb Raider is the best overclocking test I know. Not the benchmark, playing the game. If you don't have that use MechWarrior Online, it's free. And so sensitive to overclocking I have to run my card at stock or face crashes at any overclock.

 

Please, don't fall for the 1080. It's priced at 980ti prices for a reason. The price on the 1080 will drop like a rock in water come fall. If you have money to burn have at it, but it you don't please wait. Nothing out at the moment is an issue to run for a 980ti unless you're at 4k.

[hex4]

Well i'm buying 1070, and my CPU won't bottleneck it even though it's actually rather old now, it's still a very fact CPU, it won't keep up with a 4790K in raw gaming, but it's not a bottleneck.

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Rise of the Tomb Raider is the best overclocking test I know. Not the benchmark, playing the game. If you don't have that use MechWarrior Online, it's free. And so sensitive to overclocking I have to run my card at stock or face crashes at any overclock.

 

Please, don't fall for the 1080. It's priced at 980ti prices for a reason. The price on the 1080 will drop like a rock in water come fall. If you have money to burn have at it, but it you don't please wait. Nothing out at the moment is an issue to run for a 980ti unless you're at 4k.

Selling the 980 Ti would put leave me with $250 missing to buy the 1080. Unbelievable how quickly people bite on NVIDIA cards. He's offering me $600 for it. $100 more than I got it for.

 

The 75FPS minimum at 1440p in Witcher 3 is looking really nice...

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Noirgheos said:

Selling the 980 Ti would put leave me with $250 missing to buy the 1080. Unbelievable how quickly people bite on NVIDIA cards. He's offering me $600 for it. $100 more than I got it for.

 

The 75FPS minimum at 1440p in Witcher 3 is looking really nice...

And come fall when the 1080 is 500 for a top of the line board partner and the 1080ti makes your 1080 look like a iGPU, you'll know why I have a thousand bucks sitting in the bank waiting for the 1080ti.

[hex4]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

And come fall when the 1080 is 500 for a top of the line board partner and the 1080ti makes your 1080 look like a iGPU, you'll know why I have a thousand bucks sitting in the bank waiting for the 1080ti.

Buying a Radeon 2600 Pro will solve the problem.

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

And come fall when the 1080 is 500 for a top of the line board partner and the 1080ti makes your 1080 look like a iGPU, you'll know why I have a thousand bucks sitting in the bank waiting for the 1080ti.

We're talking CAD here man. The day any high end NVIDIA GPU that's less than 3 years old goes to $500 for retail... be sure to tell me. Also if we can expect the same jump from 1080 to 1080 Ti that the 980 Ti was to the 980... It should be like 20FPS when they're both stock.

[App4that]

3 minutes ago, hex4 said:

Buying a Radeon 2600 Pro will solve the problem.

 thanks, I needed that laugh.

 

3 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

We're talking CAD here man. The day any high end NVIDIA GPU that's less than 3 years old goes to $500 for retail... be sure to tell me. Also if we can expect the same jump from 1080 to 1080 Ti that the 980 Ti was to the 980... It should be like 20FPS when they're both stock.

Should have specified US, my bad. Look at the launch pricing of the 980 and you'll see the pattern. The 1080 is a suckers bet until the price drop. It's just Nvidia cashing in to cover expenses.

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

 thanks, I needed that laugh.

 

Should have specified US, my bad. Look at the launch pricing of the 980 and you'll see the pattern. The 1080 is a suckers bet until the price drop. It's just Nvidia cashing in to cover expenses.

He just uploaded this. Both reference cards show the 980 Ti is better, even though the the 3DMark score shows different. Overclocked, the 980 Ti still retains the league. Well, good results. For now I'll recommend 1070s for my friends, or if AMD offers better, whatever they have. So the 1070 is basically a cheaper 980 Ti. Good to know.

[App4that]

6 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

He just uploaded this. Both reference cards show the 980 Ti is better, even though the the 3DMark score shows different. Overclocked, the 980 Ti still retains the league. Well, good results. For now I'll recommend 1070s for my friends, or if AMD offers better, whatever they have. So the 1070 is basically a cheaper 980 Ti. Good to know.

Benchmarks are only useful for gauging your gains and stability to a degree. My 290/390 crossfire set up beats my 980ti in Firestrike but the 980ti absolutely destroys the Xfire in games, I'm talking close to double the fps.

 

I'd actually advise the 1070, looks to be a good value and a great upgrade to anyone with Kepler or a 1440 G-sync monitor that has a 970. If I didn't have the 980ti I'd be picking once up one the board partners have their way with it.

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Benchmarks are only useful for gauging your gains and stability to a degree. My 290/390 crossfire set up beats my 980ti in Firestrike but the 980ti absolutely destroys the Xfire in games, I'm talking close to double the fps.

 

I'd actually advise the 1070, looks to be a good value and a great upgrade to anyone with Kepler or a 1440 G-sync monitor that has a 970. If I didn't have the 980ti I'd be picking one up one the board partners have their way with it.

Yep. Same. Alright I'll wait then.