Russian billionaire says his initiative will transfer a human mind into a robot within 30 years

[VerticalDiscussions]

4 hours ago, Enderman said:

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Good job, you just hurt the feelings of all christian followers. Our faith is strong, but our bodies are fragile. We will endure in the end, be it in this world or in the afterlife!

[Lethal Seraph]

I don't wanna be in a jar. I want my brain in an android body. 8 feet tall and ripped. -Rajj

[Enderman]

8 minutes ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

Good job, you just hurt the feelings of all christian followers. Our faith is strong, but our bodies are fragile. We will endure in the end, be it in this world or in the afterlife!

???

Why do I care?

A true Christian knows that everyone has the freedom to believe in what they want.

If my beliefs somehow make you feel like you need to reply to tell me "ive hurt your feelings" then you probably need to go to church more and be more accepting of other people's ideas, because I know many Christians which dont get "hurt feelings" from other people with different beliefs.

[VerticalDiscussions]

5 minutes ago, Enderman said:

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I dont care in what you believe and i know you feel like the same about me and the world. I believe in freedom of expression and the mind and i wasnt trying to incite anything. Its not my fault that you took it to your own feelings and actually interpetrated that as an offence or a way to try and correct your expression of global christianity opposure. The world has enough problems, so do i and you, so im pretty sure you didnt even have to try and say such things. Whatever you may think of this, i dont want to continue a ridiculous and never ending conversation about a debate that caused dozens of millions of deaths worlwide since the beginning of times. Oh and btw, i was trying to make a joke out of this, not an actual "repercussive response".

[Albatross]

Even if they could get this to work, it still won't be you. It will just be a simulation, a copy. But whatever floats the boat for the people who fear death.

[rattacko123]

Is there going to be an avatar of CGI blue people?

[Tech_Dreamer]

Funny story , this will probably be like any other robot with integrated with pretty much solid preset responses to  , i'm sure it will act human & talk with a logic response (pre fed , meaning predictable after a while doing same things over & over), won't rationalize or think that far ahead , but i love to see where this is headed , atleast we're a step closer

[Humbug]

5 hours ago, stconquest said:

 

Consciousness is not a mystery.  How do you think you first started to be aware?  Your brain developed to the point it could grab information.  It gathered information using your five senses.  Gather, gather, gather.  Eventually you start to ask questions about that information and actively investigate life.  This is consciousness, the investigation.

this is not consciousness. The part which you have described is the part which can be modelled and coded into an ai program and made to behave just like us and made to learn and question just like us. But it still wouldn't feel consciousness. There is something going on in animals and humans in the brain which we have not nailed down yet.

[Griffscavern]

OK. So what would keep the brain alive in this robotic body? Seeing as the brain needs oxygen to stay alive. It also needs fluids. Blood flow as well. Also the brain needs to be at certain temperatures. Too cold and it dies. Too hot and it dies. So not only does it need blood flow, but it has to be heated. You'll probably have to go through a lot of transfusions too. Unless they can make a functioning system that provides this, then it isn't going to happen. Then you also have to look at the fact that people who have transplants need to have anti-rejection drugs. So what's to keep that from happening in a robot system?

 

The consciousness issue raised above is also very relevant. Sorry, but humans are more than just meat sacks, despite you believing it to be different. I, personally, believe in a soul. Humans have tried to play god for a long time, and it never works well for them.

[stconquest]

7 hours ago, Humbug said:

this is not consciousness. The part which you have described is the part which can be modelled and coded into an ai program and made to behave just like us and made to learn and question just like us. But it still wouldn't feel consciousness. There is something going on in animals and humans in the brain which we have not nailed down yet.

lol.  You miss the part of modeling it in a program that can effectively act like a human brain, that has the resources we do.  This is because we, as far as I know, can't yet.

 

So your answer is feel consciousness?  Something going on?  Come on.  Since you don't know, then maybe it is possible.  Just because you can't see how, does not mean someone else suffers the same fate.

 

I don't "feel" consciousness.  I feel chemical reactions and physical stresses.

[Thony]

So something like in this movie:

By that time im gonna be 60-70 (if still alive). I wouldnt mind a new younger body.

 

Future is beautiful in our heads, the actual real world will be so different by then. 

 

 

[WereCat]

11 hours ago, Lethal Seraph said:

I don't wanna be in a jar. I want my brain in an android body. 8 feet tall and ripped. -Rajj

Change your name to Binks then make them put you in jar that will be in another jar. Done .. you can troll people now

 

While this sounds good... the risks are high. This is the same problem as with teleporation .. will it be you or just copy of you? I would rather augement my self than risk creating copy of me and me dying instead.

[Bittenfleax]

15 hours ago, Ramamataz said:

Spiritual and ethical questions?

Yeah, I think ethical problems stopped this kind of thing a while ago. But because this guy is a Russian Billionaire he can do what he wants. 

[Deli]

It reminds me of "Ghost in the Shell". If one's mind can be uploaded to a machine, it can be hacked and wiped.

 

If your mind has been hacked, is it still you? Can you be held accountable for your action?

[Trik'Stari]

About freaking time. We need to focus as much of our resources as possible, on space travel, and immortality.

[ADM-Ntek]

would be funny if some day you are like meh i want a new body this one is boring. but then you CTRL+C instead of CTRL+X. now there is 2 of you who gets all your stuff/family/spouse?  

[No Nrg]

FutureTimeline.net (great site by the way) predicts that the final step from the OP picture really wouldn't be commonplace until 2120, I'll be long dead by then. Keep in mind this site is purely hypothetical based on current advances in tech. Talks about hitting legislative hurdles I'm sure a technology like this would have:

http://www.futuretimeline.net/22ndcentury/2100-2149.htm#minduploading

Mind uploading enters mainstream society

Adequate hardware to support human-level intelligence was available as far back as the 2020s, thanks to the exponential progress of Moore's Law.* This made it possible to form simulations of neural processes.*

However, the underlying software foundation required for mind uploading proved to be a vastly greater challenge. Full transfer of human consciousness into artificial substrates posed enormous technical difficulties, in addition to raising ethical and philosophical issues.

The sheer complexity of the brain, and its inherent fragility – along with the many legislative barriers that stood in the way – meant that it was nearly a century before such technology reached the mainstream.

Some breakthroughs occurred in the latter decades of the 21st century, with partial transfer of memories and thought patterns, allowing some limited experience of the mind uploading process. However, it was only through the emergence of Pico technology and strong AI that sufficiently detailed scanning methods became available. This new generation of machines, being orders of magnitude faster and more robust, finally bridged the gap between organic human brains and their synthetic equivalents.

Initially tested on monkeys, the procedure was eventually offered to certain marginalized people including death row inmates and terminally ill patients. Once it could be demonstrated as being safe and reversible, the project garnered a steady stream of free and healthy volunteers, tempted by this new form of computerized immortality.

Years of red tape and legislation followed, including some of the strictest regulations ever enacted into law. Religious and conservative groups voiced their objections to what they saw as a fundamental violation of God's will. At times, this threatened to postpone the technology indefinitely. Eventually though, like so many other breakthroughs in science, the zeitgeist moved on. The level of demand for mind uploading proved to be enormous, and the treatment was made commercially available in the 2120s.

Today, citizens have access to special clinics in which their biological brains can be literally discarded in favor of artificial ones. Rather than simply "duplicating" a mind, the machine physically shifts the consciousness, like a sponge soaking up water. The brain is gradually replaced – piece by piece – so the original personality remains intact during the transition. This vital aspect of the procedure assuages the fear which many have of losing their identity.

For the wealthiest individuals, entire new bodies can be grown, into which the synthetic brains can be transplanted. These bodies may themselves be artificial, with options for partially cyborg or fully robotic replacements. Externally, they are often indistinguishable from real human bodies, but include many hi-tech add-ons and internal features boosting physical and mental abilities.

Not everyone is opting for these types of treatments, however. A significant percentage view them with extreme suspicion, as though somehow immoral and dehumanizing. With each passing year, society is becoming increasingly fractured, with an ever-widening divide between those who seek to enhance themselves, and those who prefer to eschew such technology.

 

[inkyserifs]

So.... SOMA, anyone?

 

 

[svinogidiot]

To be honest i'd proberly go for it if i was given the chance. I have some quite bad joints and are eating morphine 3 times a day to be able to function a tiny bit, and i'd love to be able to "work" proberly again, despite the moral questions raised...

Would it be considered murder if i transferred my "self" to a robot and then killed off my old body?