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Russian billionaire says his initiative will transfer a human mind into a robot within 30 years

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This is rather interesting

http://www.techspot.com/news/64142-russian-initiative-transfer-human-mind-robot.html

 

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35-year-old Dmitry Itskov, the man behind Moscow-based media company New Media Stars, founded the ‘2045 Initiative’ in 2011. Its ultimate goal is to create technology that can transfer an individual's personality to a “more advanced, non-biological carrier.”

"Within the next 30 years, I am going to make sure that we can all live forever," Itskov said in recent BBC documentary ‘The Immortalist.’ "I'm 100% confident it will happen. Otherwise, I wouldn't have started it.”

The first part of the project is to create a robotic version of a human body that can be controlled by the brain, and is scheduled to be completed by 2020. This machine could be used to perform dangerous tasks without placing the remote operators in danger.

The final stage of the plan, the transfer of human consciousness into a holographic or robotic avatar, will hopefully take place in 2045 - as indicated by the initiative’s name. Itskov has reportedly already poured $1.43 billion into the project, which shows how much faith he has in the initiative.

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While I do believe we will eventually have the technology to map and transfer the contents of the brain to another vessel, I'm not sure personality would be transferrable with it. If it's just a copy is it truly you?

 

Brings up a lot of spiritual and ethical questions.

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if its done correctly, it will be exactly like you

youre just a bunch of neurons and electrical signals

theres nothing special

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the problem is that it's just a simulation of you.

 

for other people it may feel like you. But for you... You have no continuity.

 

and from what I know we cannot approach that problem until we understand consciousness. And consciousness makes no sense to me at all, it's a really Wierd thing. It's easy to see that we are thinking machines like computers which process data. But the consciousness part is really strange. We may someday write an advanced Ai which perfectly simulates a human behavior and put it into a robot body. And for outsiders it will appear as a human. But it wouldn't actually be a consciousness, just an imitation of one. And it doesn't actually have feelings, just the simulations of them. I wouldn't even be able to explain this problem expect for the fact that everybody reading my post is a human and therefore already can relate to what I'm saying. We have to learn more about animal/human brains.

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Spiritual and ethical questions?

 

To be honest there really isn't anything ethical about it. Basically people are going to be pissy because you choose to upload your brain to an avatar and they get offended, even though you know it's your choice so who the hell cares.

 

Spiritual questions, I guess, again its on the person really and other people speaking against it just because they can. If they choose to do so they can and shouldn't get ridiculed.

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Just now, Humbug said:

the problem is that it's just a simulation of you.

 

for other people it may feel like you. But for you... You have no continuity.

 

and from what I know we cannot approach that problem until we understand consciousness. And consciousness makes no sense to me at all, it's a really Wierd thing. It's easy to see that we are thinking machines like computers which process data. But the consciousness part is really strange. We may someday write an advanced Ai which perfectly simulates a human behavior and put it into a robot body. And for outsiders it will appear as a human. But it wouldn't actually be a consciousness, just an imitation of one. And it doesn't actually have feelings, just the simulations of them. We have to learn more about animal/human brains.

It is this right here which is why I am awaiting and hoping for the telomeric regenerative research from Google and many other initiatives to have fruition.  The risk of being put in a robot body, dying, and having an imitation of my brain pattern, walking around and being me - is just too much of an annoyance in my mind.  I must have an immortal, regenerating body.  Metal would be nice, but too much risk.

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1 minute ago, Ramamataz said:

Spiritual and ethical questions?

 

To be honest there really isn't anything ethical about it. Basically people are going to be pissy because you choose to upload your brain to an avatar and they get offended, even though you know it's your choice so who the hell cares.

 

Spiritual questions, I guess, again its on the person really and other people speaking against it just because they can. If they choose to do so they can and shouldn't get ridiculed.

Spiritually I can see some cultures and people going, "You're playing God!" and my response to that is, "I don't want to die.  Living is great!  Even if most of the Human race is ridiculous."

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Just now, SurvivorNVL said:

Spiritually I can see some cultures and people going, "You're playing God!" and my response to that is, "I don't want to die.  Living is great!  Even if most of the Human race is ridiculous."

Oh boy " Playing God" thats a first.

 

We have done many things that God would probably be appreciative of. Like GMO's or basically breeding the best traits of fruits and crops, so we have more and more harvest, the inventions of Vaccines, various surgeries we can do to save people, organ transplants and etc.

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Just now, Ramamataz said:

Oh boy " Playing God" thats a first.

 

We have done many things that God would probably be appreciative of. Like GMO's or basically breeding the best traits of fruits and crops, so we have more and more harvest, the inventions of Vaccines, various surgeries we can do to save people, organ transplants and etc.

I hear it all the time.  Sometimes it is from people saying, "Humans are a plight on the earth, and we're killing everything."  Like when we deforest part of a rain-forest and plant two trees for every tree we cut down.  But you just can't win with some people.

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And they call it the "Avatar project"

 

And here I am thinking that this millionaire supports the ADVENT. 

 

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Aww this started a 5 lecture long debate in my philosophy of law class (had nothing to do with the topic but some ass brought the news up the first time it was mentioned a couple years back). 

 

Issues this brings up

  • is it really you or just a copy?
  • Would the OG you cease to exist and be dead or will you just wake up in a computer thinking everything is just fine minus you gentials?
  • Is the soul real? If so, does it connect to who we are?
  • etc. etc.

Even though I would love for it to be real, I wouldn't consider it until I was already at the end of my life..me, at the tender age of 175, just getting all my memories uploaded to a server to see how the world develops.

 

Stage 1 sounds sketchy. Upload a *copy* on yourself? If I'm alive and at the same time a robotic copy exists, then it is definitely not me. 

 

But again, if I'm on my death bed and can upload my brain - fuck it, I'm giving it a try lol

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26 minutes ago, GeekJump said:

Aww this started a 5 lecture long debate in my philosophy of law class (had nothing to do with the topic but some ass brought the news up the first time it was mentioned a couple years back). 

 

Issues this brings up

  • is it really you or just a copy?
  • Would the OG you cease to exist and be dead or will you just wake up in a computer thinking everything is just fine minus you gentials?
  • Is the soul real? If so, does it connect to who we are?
  • etc. etc.

Even though I would love for it to be real, I wouldn't consider it until I was already at the end of my life..me, at the tender age of 175, just getting all my memories uploaded to a server to see how the world develops.

 

Stage 1 sounds sketchy. Upload a *copy* on yourself? If I'm alive and at the same time a robotic copy exists, then it is definitely not me. 

 

But again, if I'm on my death bed and can upload my brain - fuck it, I'm giving it a try lol

reminds me of that game called SOMA.

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This isn't You tho its just a clone. 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Arty said:

This isn't You tho its just a clone. 

but what is "You"

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6 minutes ago, Arty said:

This isn't You tho its just a clone. 

If real you is dead already, clone you would keep going thinking the transfer worked and you body just became a useless meat sack

 

Only during the early -robotic clone- stages would the copy know it's a copy. 

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The question this always brings up for me is "What makes you You?"

 

Are we just a series of electrical signal and connections as @Enderman said (a machine), in which uploading consciousness from one being to another could possibly be seamless if the brain could be 100% artificially replicated.

 

Or, as @Humbug puts it is there something more to consciousness that we still don't understand.

 

I'm not religious and don't necessarily believe we have a soul, but I feel like there is something more to us than just electrical impulses bouncing around a network. I believe a big part of consciousness is the fact that we are aware we exist in the world. There is something within us that dictates the way we are that can't just be random. Whether that something can be copied and carried over, who knows.

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This is old news, it was on the WAN show like 2-3 weeks ago

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If you had a way to transfer all the contents of your brain to a "synthetic" brain there would only be a few differences:

 

1.  You would have to learn to move using the new body, if a new body is involved.

 

2.  You would be lacking the chemical information stored within DNA. 

 

Consciousness is not a mystery.  How do you think you first started to be aware?  Your brain developed to the point it could grab information.  It gathered information using your five senses.  Gather, gather, gather.  Eventually you start to ask questions about that information and actively investigate life.  This is consciousness, the investigation.

 

If you were to "change brains", you (to a degree) would have to start exploring once again. 

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One day we will be able to do this. But the time scedule seems very optimistic.

I forcast we have fusion reactor that can produce much more energy than it needs first. Also like with self driving cars, the rules and public opinion can slow down or prevent applications even if the techology is ready.

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1 hour ago, Ramamataz said:

Oh boy " Playing God" thats a first.

 

We have done many things that God would probably be appreciative of. Like GMO's or basically breeding the best traits of fruits and crops, so we have more and more harvest, the inventions of Vaccines, various surgeries we can do to save people, organ transplants and etc.

Inb4  "i want to be a cute anime girl avatar hologram"

Its gonna happen

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But can these robots fart?

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Dear mother of God, when will Cytus arrive?

 

Also, storage density will have to be impossible insane so that we don't run out of space for our "memories", unless you know, Cytus...

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Dude who cares about morals! I would love to see humans become extinct and replaced by this. Well honestly they would still be humans as we have nothing to base it off

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this is a paradox. should just move his brain or head on an artificial body

One day I will be able to play Monster Hunter Frontier in French/Italian/English on my PC, it's just a matter of time... 4 5 6 7 8 9 years later: It's finally coming!!!

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<>EVs are bad, they kill the planet and remove freedoms too some/<>

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