Alright, help me decide guys.

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

I don't know what is going on, but Witcher 3 is smooth as fuck.

Do you have those games on a HDD? Maybe that's the issue? A slow/failing drive?

[grayperview]

2 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

I don't know what is going on, but Witcher 3 is smooth as fuck.

Thats a game i need to "acquire" for testing purposes

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

Do you have those games on a HDD? Maybe that's the issue? A slow/failing drive?

might be worth investigating...bottleneck might be somewhere else indeed...system memory, storage speed, CPU speed etc.

[Noirgheos]

3 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

 

Problem solved?

Frames drops more than they used to though.

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

might be worth investigating...bottleneck might be somewhere else indeed...system memory, storage speed, CPU speed etc.

RAM is 2400Mhz, Witcher 3 is on an SSD.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, Noirgheos said:

Frames drops more than they used to though.

have you tried setting a framecap? are you on a 60hz monitor?

what happen if you try with Vsync?

you have msi afterbuner installed?

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, Noirgheos said:

RAM is 2400Mhz, Witcher 3 is on an SSD.

Also, have you tried monitoring all of your hardware during gaming? I mean CPU speeds, temperatures, GPU clock speeds etc?
Maybe your GPU downclocks and then you get a drop? I've heard about such issue with the Fury cards

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

have you tried setting a framecap? are you on a 60hz monitor?

what happen if you try with Vsync?

This is with VSYNC, 60Hz, yes. Cap is 60FPS.

[grayperview]

8 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

like i said, you think that shadow of mordor is using 6GB of video memory...but it's clearly not...have you played that game? i have...and the textures are nothing special even on ultra...and you can get away with 4GB easily, even at 4K. And also AMD GPU's perform well in shadow of mordor because it does make good use of the faster memory, on that you are correct.

Now, faster memory will help at higher resolution, frames go in and out the framebuffer faster, resulting in more efficient GPU computing overall, that's why HBM is good for higher resolution, but if you think 4GB on a GTX 980 is not enough, then it's not enough for the fury either.

On a fury it doesn't use anywhere near the 6gb nvidia cards do, it gets close to the 4GB but not too close, i have this game and have benchmarked it, the thing is with the fury cards is the memory bus width is so much wider than GDDR5 that the textures are in an out of the buffer before they get chance to get backed up.

 

you will notice on batman on the same settings the fury uses around 1gb less memory than the nvidia counterpart, HBM is massively more efficient and you plain just don't need as much as standard GDDR5.

 

The bottleneck on the fury cards is the actual GPU, i haven't seen my fury get even close to saturated memory wise.

[Noirgheos]

3 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

have you tried setting a framecap? are you on a 60hz monitor?

what happen if you try with Vsync?

you have msi afterbuner installed?

MSI AB is installed.

 

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Also, have you tried monitoring all of your hardware during gaming? I mean CPU speeds, temperatures, GPU clock speeds etc?
Maybe your GPU downclocks and then you get a drop? I've heard about such issue with the Fury cards

Using clockblocker and its clocks are at 1000MHz at all times in games, CPU temps never pass 70C, GPU never past 54C.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, Noirgheos said:

This is with VSYNC, 60Hz, yes. Cap is 60FPS.

ok try this, turn of Vsync...and go into afterburner and set a framecap to 65FPS...like this, and test again: (not 60FPS...but 65...there is a reason for this you have to trust me ...and) turn off Vsync, you'll get some screen tearing here and there but the experience should be smoother and more responsive with less lag spikes)

 

[grayperview]

2 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

This is with VSYNC, 60Hz, yes. Cap is 60FPS.

I CAP at 62...try it see if it helps.

[Noirgheos]

4 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

ok try this, turn of Vsync...and go into afterburner and set a framecap to 65FPS...like this, and test again: (not 60FPS...but 65...there is a reason for this you have to trust me ...and) turn off Vsync, you'll get some screen tearing here and there but the experience should be smoother and more responsive with less lag spikes)

 

The tearing is too much without VSYNC. My monitor is shit, so yeah. Anyway I'm still gonna test the card with the guy. If the stutter is less I'm grabbing it, if not, that guy just wasted gas.

[i_build_nanosuits]

3 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

The tearing is too much without VSYNC. My monitor is shit, so yeah. Anyway I'm still gonna test the card with the guy. If the stutter is less I'm grabbing it, if not, that guy just wasted gas.

interesting discussion going on in my private inbox...i thought i would share....looks like HBM might be the culprit here...read:

 

 

So, after all even though the 290X is based on the same GCN architecture, it use standard GDDR5 memory...so it might very well be better in the end.

[grayperview]

Vsync on, with a 62 limit i use, works great for me.

 

 

[Noirgheos]

3 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

interesting discussion going on in my private inbox...i thought i would share....looks like HBM might be the culprit here...read:

 

 

So, after all even though the 290X is based on the same GCN architecture, it use standard GDDR5 memory...so it might very well be better in the end.

Like I said, I'll try the other guy's 290X. He can overclock it to basically a stock 980, which isn't bad at all, and he says the only game he gets minor stutter in is Fallout 4, and he pirated it, so its still the release version, not even updated.

[grayperview]

Interesting, but it's ACU, a notorious gameworks title...that has a shitload of draw calls handled by the CPU, given how much the amd DX11 driver hogs the CPU, it could be that's what caused the frametime variation. and probably would be similar on all AMD cards.

 

 

[Noirgheos]

Anyway, for some reason Shadow of Mordor is like 10FPS better now, Witcher 3 runs smooth at the same settings it was at before... odd. I'll still try the guy's 290X, see if it's smoother.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, super_skank said:

Interesting, but it's ACU, a notorious gameworks title...that has a shitload of draw calls handled by the CPU, given how much the amd DX11 driver hogs the CPU, it could be that's what caused the frametime variation. and probably would be similar on all AMD cards.

maybe...not impossible.

but, whether it's the GPU driver or the memory configuration the fact remain that the red line is all over the place...

[App4that]

Damn, this is still going. You'd think someone brought white girls

 

 

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Damn, this is still going. You'd think someone brought white girls

 

 

I don't know man. My average FPS went up by 10 in Shadow of Mordor, Witcher 3 stopped having significant stutters (barely any at ALL) and my FS score went up... I'll still try the guy's 290X. If the performance isn't that worse, then that + $260 is very appealing for Polaris.

[grayperview]

agreed it's poor, but not likely to be an HBM problem, it's more of an AMD / gameworks combination problem

 

But its not the norm with AMD cards these days, my fury is silky as whores knickers, and for the most part so where my 7970's.

 

101 fps average on my shadow of mordor run btw, and was smooth as....

 

 

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, super_skank said:

agreed it's poor, but not likely to be an HBM problem, it's more of an AMD / gameworks combination problem

 

But its not the norm with AMD cards these days, my fury is silky as whores knickers, and for the most part so where my 7970's.

 

 

My Fury certainly seems to be now. 

[App4that]

Just now, Noirgheos said:

I don't know man. My average FPS went up by 10 in Shadow of Mordor, Witcher 3 stopped having significant stutters (barely any at ALL) and my FS score went up... I'll still try the guy's 290X. If the performance isn't that worse, then that + $260 is very appealing for Polaris.

That's awesome! Like I said before I'd go for the 290x if you're getting that much in the trade. The Fury might be ironed out over the next year, might never get fixed. I got tired of chasing issues with the 290, every damn update promised fixes but just had me chasing problems. If you have the patience stick with the Fury.

[Morgan MLGman]

15 minutes ago, super_skank said:

Interesting, but it's ACU, a notorious gameworks title...that has a shitload of draw calls handled by the CPU, given how much the amd DX11 driver hogs the CPU, it could be that's what caused the frametime variation. and probably would be similar on all AMD cards.

13 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

maybe...not impossible.

but, whether it's the GPU driver or the memory configuration the fact remain that the red line is all over the place...

I think it still might be the HBM, look at a case that doesn't require too much VRAM:

Frametimes seem nearly the same, but as soon as it gets VRAM heavy (<4GB) the Fury X's frametimes seem to suck as you could see at the AC:Unity 4K graph