Alright, help me decide guys.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Drivers, one thing you have to give AMD is the 200 series has become more powerful over the last year. Roll back to year old drivers and the 970 has a chance.

yeah sure cause nvidia on their side of the fence havn't improved and optimised drivers?! makes no sense.

[Noirgheos]

4 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

all those are slower than your fury so why do you even want to trade it for something less powerful?!

The Fury stutters too much. This isn't the butter smooth I was promised.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Noirgheos said:

The Fury stutters too much. This isn't the butter smooth I was promised.

amd does not deliver butter smooth regardless of what GPU you go for they all have horrible frame-pacing and micro-stuttering and shit...the drivers are atrocious.

[Maxxtraxx]

Just now, App4that said:

Drivers, one thing you have to give AMD is the 200 series has become more powerful over the last year. Roll back to year old drivers and the 970 has a chance.

Can you show any proof in numbers that the amd drivers have made any meaningful increase in performance? Any firestrike score examples? Data that would show their drivers improving the 290x to meaningfully above the 970.

 

Also 200 series cards are pretty terrible overclockers while the 970s seem to be very good at it.

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

amd does not deliver butter smooth regardless of what GPU you go for they all have horrible frame-pacing and micro-stuttering and shit...the drivers are atrocious.

Not true, it used to be bad, not as bad as you say it, but bad, but now the 200 series is really smooth.

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

yeah sure cause nvidia on their side of the fence havn't improved and optimised drivers?! makes no sense.

What do you mean by this? That AMD has improved over those benches and the 970 has stayed the same?

Yes and no. The 200 series has benefited greatly form current drivers because they share GPU's with the 300 series. Nvidia comes out of the gate very strong with day one drivers, but rarely offers performance increases after that. So it's complicated.

 

Sorry Nano, quote glitch.

 

Look at Fallout 4, less performance than day one with every card because Nvidia doesn't release drivers that address the updates released by Bethesda. Go into the Experience, look at what "optimizes" Fallout. Removing the features 1.3 added because there are no drivers for them

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Yes and no. The 200 series has benefited greatly form current drivers because they share GPU's with the 300 series. Nvidia comes out of the gate very strong with day one drivers, but rarely offers performance increases after that. So it's complicated.

 

Sorry Nano, quote glitch.

 

Look at Fallout 4, less performance than day one with every card because Nvidia doesn't release drivers that address the updates released by Bethesda. Go into the Experience, look at what "optimizes" Fallout. Removing the features 1.3 added because there are no drivers for them

What about his claim on frame times? He said all AMD cards are shit at framepacing and the like...

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

What about his claim on frame times? He said all AMD cards are shit at framepacing and the like...

300 series, as far as I have seen yes. I'm working on getting some numbers together from my Firestrike runs. Just need to find matching clock speeds.

[Noirgheos]

Just now, App4that said:

300 series, as far as I have seen yes. I'm working on getting some numbers together from my Firestrike runs. Just need to find matching clock speeds.

But what about the 200 series? They shouldn't suffer right? You said it yourself, your 290X was amazing, and your 390 was shit.

[i_build_nanosuits]

10 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

Not true, it used to be bad, not as bad as you say it, but bad, but now the 200 series is really smooth.

i don't seen why the 200 series would be smooth and not the fury since it's the same GCN architecture and they use the same drivers...

look if you want to improve your gaming experience going with a weaker AMD card is certainly not the way to go...and going with a dual GPU solution whether it's SLI or crossfire is not the way to go either if you want butter smooth gaming.

[Maxxtraxx]

2 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

But what about the 200 series? They shouldn't suffer right? You said it yourself, your 290X was amazing, and your 390 was shit.

With the upgrade from 200 to 300 series, AMD managed to do some refining on the 200 series. the 300's tend to clock higher in many cases and perform noticeably better than their similarly numbered counterparts. the R9 390 performs on par with the R9 290x while the R9 390x falls between the 390 and the GTX 980. AMD was notorious for frame stuttering issues a few years ago but has since nearly come on par with Nvidia on that issue...

 

However, with Crossfire and SLI Frame stuttering/timing issues tend to become worse and can in some cases be noticeable.

[Noirgheos]

2 minutes ago, Maxxtraxx said:

With the upgrade from 200 to 300 series, AMD managed to do some refining on the 200 series. the 300's tend to clock higher in many cases and perform noticeably better than their similarly numbered counterparts. the R9 390 performs on par with the R9 290x while the R9 390x falls between the 390 and the GTX 980. AMD was notorious for frame stuttering issues a few years ago but has since nearly come on par with Nvidia on that issue...

 

However, with Crossfire and SLI Frame stuttering/timing issues tend to become worse and can in some cases be noticeable.

Not from what app4that has to say. His 390 overclocked like absolute dogshit, while his 290X did just fine. Other 300 series users reported the same.

[PlayStation 2]

17 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

amd does not deliver butter smooth regardless of what GPU you go for they all have horrible frame-pacing and micro-stuttering and shit...the drivers are atrocious.

Wait, are you really trying to pull that fucking card?

[App4that]

3 minutes ago, Maxxtraxx said:

With the upgrade from 200 to 300 series, AMD managed to do some refining on the 200 series. the 300's tend to clock higher in many cases and perform noticeably better than their similarly numbered counterparts. the R9 390 performs on par with the R9 290x while the R9 390x falls between the 390 and the GTX 980. AMD was notorious for frame stuttering issues a few years ago but has since nearly come on par with Nvidia on that issue...

 

However, with Crossfire and SLI Frame stuttering/timing issues tend to become worse and can in some cases be noticeable.

XD, bull shit. The 200 series is a better card than the 300 series in my experience. All they did was duct tape some VRAM on them and call it a day. Check our the coolers and PCB's of each for proof.

 

2 minutes ago, Noirgheos said:

Not from what app4that has to say. His 390 overclocked like absolute dogshit, while his 290X did just fine. Other 300 series users reported the same.

Yep. I had a 290 though. If I had a 290x I would have kept it.

[Noirgheos]

Just now, App4that said:

XD, bull shit. The 200 series is a better card than the 300 series in my experience. All they did was duct tape some VRAM on them and call it a day. Check our the coolers and PCB's of each for proof.

 

Yep. I had a 290 though. If I had a 290x I would have kept it.

Were your frames smooth with the 290?

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Noirgheos said:

Were your frames smooth with the 290?

butter smooth that's why he ride a 980ti ATM

[Monarch]

8 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

i don't seen why the 200 series would be smooth and not the fury since it's the same GCN architecture and they use the same drivers...

look if you want to improve your gaming experience going with a weaker AMD card is certainly not the way to go...and going with a dual GPU solution whether it's SLI or crossfire is not the way to go either if you want butter smooth gaming.

+1

I have a 290X and it isn't smooth.

 

 

 

 

Apparently AMD was able to reduce microstuttering with the new driver, but it's still there. 

 

[App4that]

Just now, Noirgheos said:

Were your frames smooth with the 290?

Yes, even in Fallout 4 where the 390 fell apart. I tired to find some matching benchmarks with the 290 from when I got it to when I sold it but couldn't. Too much happened between those times with the rest of my build.

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

butter smooth that's why he ride a 980ti ATM

If I remember correctly, he does this because he sold his 390 and might as well have gone high end. He just said if he had a 290X he would have kept it.

[Noirgheos]

1 minute ago, Monarch said:

+1

I have a 290X and it isn't smooth.

 

 

 

 

Apparently AMD was able to reduce microstuttering with the new driver, but it's still there. 

 

This is on Fiji. That's why I'm selling the Fury. Anyway, app4that just said his 290 was fine whereas his 390 fell apart.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

butter smooth that's why he ride a 980ti ATM

Unless you run PrecisionX. Why I have no idea. Which sucks because Afterburner won't cap frame rates. My class workload is insane or I'd have worked out why by now.

[Monarch]

1 minute ago, Noirgheos said:

This is on Fiji. That's why I'm selling the Fury. Anyway, app4that just said his 290 was fine whereas his 390 fell apart.

I just told you I have the same thing with my 290X. And in DF's video there's R9 390.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Noirgheos said:

If I remember correctly, he does this because he sold his 390 and might as well have gone high end. He just said if he had a 290X he would have kept it.

they are ALL the same...they are ALL based on the SAME GPU ARCHITECTURE which is Graphics Core Next or GCN and they ALL use the same DRIVERS therefore only the stream processor count is different..

TLDR the Fury and the 290/290X/390/390X it' ALL the same shit...they are all the same except some have more stream processors than others.

GPU wise it's the same thing.

[Noirgheos]

Just now, Monarch said:

I just told you I have the same thing with my 290X.

And apparently app4that doesn't.

[Maxxtraxx]

4 minutes ago, App4that said:

XD, bull shit. The 200 series is a better card than the 300 series in my experience. All they did was duct tape some VRAM on them and call it a day. Check our the coolers and PCB's of each for proof.

 

Yep. I had a 290 though. If I had a 290x I would have kept it.

I'm sorry but... you're One example of a 290x compared to your One example or a 390 does not mean that the whole of the R9 300 series is a downgrade. Just the fact that the R9 290x performs very similar to the lower spec'ed R9 390 and behind the R9 390x(the updated R9 290x) means that the 200 series is worse than the 300 series?

 

I'm not following the logic.