Convince my friend that x99 > z170

[Kherm]

So my friend ( @c5carden ) is in the market for a new PC. He insists that Skylake is faster than Haswell - E. Please help me convince him the opposite. *Except in Single threaded workloads. 

 

Here are his builds:

 

 

x99: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  ($319.00) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X99-SLI ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  ($177.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($89.99 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Amazon) 

Case: Corsair Air 540 Silver ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $1426.84

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-30 19:33 EST-0500

 

 

z170: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($359.00) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.89 @ OutletPC) 

Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($96.99 @ SuperBiiz) 

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($89.99 @ Amazon) 

Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card  ($599.99 @ Amazon) 

Case: Corsair Air 540 Silver ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 

Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 

Total: $1385.84

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-30 19:33 EST-0500

 

So what do you guys think? Let me (and him) know! 

[Aytex]

6 cores > 4 cores

 

ezpz

[Stardar1]

first thing wrong here is the use of an unlocked I7 with the EVO. its a great cooler, but liquid is definitely the way to go.

 

For gaming, 6700k all the way, for streaming, production software or server stuff, 5820k all the way

[Atmos]

6 cores > 4 cores

 

ezpz

 

That's literally it. There's nothing more that can be said.

6 cores of the same strength, to 4 cores of the same strength. 

Not even a question. ddr4 is no faster than ddr3 in any games, and a majority of programs.

[Sam Z Man]

Bro for games Skylake>Haswell E all day long.

[Kherm]

first thing wrong here is the use of an unlocked I7 with the EVO. its a great cooler, but liquid is definitely the way to go.

 

For gaming, 6700k all the way, for streaming, production software or server stuff, 5820k all the way

Yeah, he told me he was buying an H100i GTX regardless of the platform after I'd completed the builds. 

[AresKrieger]

 

 

Okay so as far as speed goes it's: 5820k > 6700k > 4790k.

As far as price/performance ratio goes it's: 4790k > 5820k >>>>>>>> 6700k

If you need a powerful CPU, the 5820k is the way to go, if you can get by with a mainstream i7, get the 4790k. Ignore the 6700k, it's garbage right now. (not talkin about performance, but more about the pricing and its spot on the market)

--quote from @Morgan MLGman  A previous thread on this topic, for gaming the 6700k and 4790k are slightly better than the 5820k but not by much, and not at all if the game supports more than 4 cores/ 8 threads

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/495319-4790k-vs-6700k-vs-5820k/

[Vozella]

What is he going to be using the computer for?

[Stardar1]

Yeah, he told me he was buying an H100i GTX regardless of the platform after I'd completed the builds. 

ok, good. 

 

anyways, IMO,  The 6700k is the better option because of its better single-threaded performance. it IS an I7, it still has 8 threads. for streaming/gaming with a bit of WKstation stuff in the middle, i think it is the better choice.

 

if one is doing solely WKstation stuff, then yeah, X99 all the way

[Guest]

6 cores > 4 cores

 

ezpz

isnt that what AMD users say?

[Stardar1]

--@Morgan MLGman  A previous thread on this topic for gaming the 6700k and 4790k are slightly better than the 5820k but not by much, and not at all if the game supports more than 4 cores

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/495319-4790k-vs-6700k-vs-5820k/

6700k i have seen go between $320 and $450 in the past 3 weeks, it seems that stores cannot get enough of them, they keep going out of stock.

 

at the right time, the 6700k is a great deal, but at the wrong time its price approaches the 5930k

[Aytex]

isnt that what AMD users say?

not refering to amd, of course :c

[AresKrieger]

6700k i have seen go between $320 and $450 in the past 3 weeks, it seems that stores cannot get enough of them, they keep going out of stock.

 

at the right time, the 6700k is a great deal, but at the wrong time its price approaches the 5930k

That is true, pricing is all over the place right now, I just figured I'd put this out there for reference as I liked the explanation

[Stardar1]

That is true, pricing is all over the place right know, I just figured I'd put this out there for reference a I liked the explanation

IMO 4790k is still the best gaming CPU out there if budget is a factor

[DocSwag]

It really depends on what he'll be doing on it. For games-6700k all the way. For productivity or for a cpu meant to last like 10 years... 5820k. Is he caught in the 170 > 99 train so z170>x99?

[2FA]

6700k i have seen go between $320 and $450 in the past 3 weeks, it seems that stores cannot get enough of them, they keep going out of stock.

 

at the right time, the 6700k is a great deal, but at the wrong time its price approaches the 5930k

The cheapest I saw a 6700k in recent weeks online was $415.99, MicroCenter had in-store price of $349.99. I also saw a 5930k for about $419.00 I think.

[Stardar1]

The cheapest I saw a 6700k in recent weeks online was $415.99, MicroCenter had in-store price of $349.99. I also saw a 5930k for about $419.00 I think.

i saw it on newegg for $320 for literally an hour before it was gone. 

[2FA]

i saw it on newegg for $320 for literally an hour before it was gone. 

Wish I had saw that, I'm making a Skylake mini-ITX build and I just need a CPU. I kind of don't want to go to an i5 from an i5.

[Morgan MLGman]

IMO 4790k is still the best gaming CPU out there if budget is a factor

Nah, if we're talking gaming only, an i5-4690k would probably be better price/performance wise. Out of the three i7's I agree.

[c5carden]

Thanks Everyone for their help, Im not on a budget I'm willing to spend as much as it will take to get the best system possible. I am getting a different model of the 980ti also. I will also be uses this mostly for games, by the way it sounds the 6700k is the better cpu for gaming? Thanks in Advance for anymore help.

[c5carden]

Also I have been debating about my pc for over a year and considering my rig is now 5 years old it is time to upgrade. I was going to go with a xeon for awhile but Ive decided on one of these 2 options. 

[Starelementpoke]

Thanks Everyone for their help, Im not on a budget I'm willing to spend as much as it will take to get the best system possible. I am getting a different model of the 980ti also. I will also be uses this mostly for games, by the way it sounds the 6700k is the better cpu for gaming? Thanks in Advance for anymore help.

Yes the 6700k is better for gaming mainly due to the fact that the single core performance is practically the same and it usually it is cheaper.

[c5carden]

Yes the 6700k is better for gaming mainly due to the fact that the single core performance is practically the same and it usually is the same.

Thank you i think you have helped me decide.