Microsoft responds to Windows 10 privacy concerns

[GoodBytes]

@EChondo

@GoodBytes

 

Please read these.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/01/microsoft_backports_data_slurp_to_windows_78_via_patches/

https://bgr.com/2015/08/28/windows-10-features-spying-windows-7-8/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/30/windows-10-spying-on-windows-7-and-windows-8/

 

Personally, I love Microsoft and their products. I mainly use OneDrive and Office. I like them, but I don't condone their data mining, unless it's being mined anonymously. Google does this, and very few people care, because it's being mined anonymously.

Yes I have read those previously. Again it is telemetry data. Maybe because I am a software developer, I understand what and how telemetry data work, I think it would be nice if Microsoft explains how it all works on their side. I think that perhaps, this is the big problem here, and will help clarify things.

[Sharp_3yE]

Dude, I know. I was generalizing. I have a 970 myself. I didn't mean to bring up the whole fiasco, I was merely referencing it.

Cool, glade you already knew. Next time say the right thing.

[GoodBytes]

Geez, being skeptical of a company=conspiracy theorist it seems. Lets all blindly trust all corporations when it comes to issues like this. /s

And I don't hate Microsoft for the record, I just don't trust them. Not trusting them does not mean I automatically hate them.

Fine you are right.

Also Microsoft responding to our concerns literally MONTHS after its release won't fix anything.

That I agree. But I wonder, if they were hopping it would initially die down like every panic when a new version of Windows is released, and then everyone forgets about it, or mostly.

[Albatross]

Yes, because it must be the truth just because they said it. :rolleyes:

 

The simple truth is that the user isn't in control! You can prove it by going through the registry. They hid options from the user and blatantly lied to people by telling them you can disable the telemetry and whatnot within the admin panel/settings panel. This is a lie.

 

Does anyone actually believe this BS? 

 

Nothing to be paranoid off basically unless you are a pirate in which case you deserve it

 

Our future is bleak.

 

... like Google isn't collecting anything...

 

Oh, that makes M$'s actions better. Thanks.

[Kamina]

I don't believe anything Microsoft says these days.

[christianled59]

Cool, glade you already knew. Next time say the right thing.

Okay? Whats with the hostility? Sorry I didn't detail every fucking transistor on the damn card. You know what I meant.

[Misanthrope]

You can say that for any software.

 

No you really can't: almost all software, even if it updates without your permission, actually tells you what was updated. As much as you'd like to ridicule me, being paranoid of Microsoft and what they're doing is not without reason here.

[deviant88]

When Cortana is off (which is by the way by default), it is off. It does nothing beside being a search box, like the one from Windows 8 or 7 with web search. It pings Bing to show web results, like Windows 8.

Funny thing theres a group policy in ComputerConfig/Administrative templates/windows components/search  where you can further disable cortana from accessing the web.

I tried monitoring with wireshark i have not seen anything going to bing or microsoft.

 

There are 4 things everyone should do on windows if you dont want any telemetry which i did:

1. On install before finishing setup windows will ask you for some privacy settings disable them all.

2. After go into Settings/Privacy and disable everything there.

3.(most important) Go into group policy settings/ComputerConfig , there you will find tons of options to completely disable telemetry, cortana web search, CEIP and much more, disable them all.

4. Get a script tweaker from these forums or MDL that furtherly disables any telemtry trought registry tweaks and deletes Task Scheduler auto upload tasks.

 

Optional you can block most MS telemtry servers trough hosts/firewall.

 

If you still think microsoft is scanning your porn folders,dickpics and useless documents that have no important data anyway after all that congrats you are a tinfoil guy/girl.

[jaggysnake57]

this whole privacy thing is funny, most people cant tell you why there against it, they cant give a solid reason, probably because they dont have one.   it feels like they are being told its bad and they are just going with the flow.  if you dont like windows 10 then dont upgrade stay on the new xp, windows 7. how long does it have left?

[Guest Kloaked]

Title is misspelled. @GoodBytes

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

"you are in control" is straight BS, that sentence alone proves this is all BS and not true.

 

There are already people that found out MS sends things to their servers even if you turn off all the options you can reach easily.

Firstly they screw our privacy, and now they just straight up lie to us. Wow MS... Where is that keep on digging stuff?

 

edit: oh yea, more BS alert. Cortana is always ENABLED. My W10 system sometimes needs to logout and login again because cortana didn't start properly.

I have NOT turned it on and i blocked it in every single way, and sometimes it gives me the message it needs to relog me in because it crashed or didn't start properly or whatever. Such a disappointment...

 

My Windows 10 desktop has Cortana disabled and hasn't restarted because of it. I have yet to see someone else have this problem because if it was the case, it will be all over the forum. 

[samcool55]

My Windows 10 desktop has Cortana disabled and hasn't restarted because of it. I have yet to see someone else have this problem because if it was the case, it will be all over the forum. 

No it's probably just my W10 being weird, but still, i never turned it on, and it's on. It's there! So the fact it's disabled by default is BS. I didn't turn it on, and it's on.

I don't even know how to turn it off. It should be off so i have no idea how to get in it's options while it shouldn't be active.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

No it's probably just my W10 being weird, but still, i never turned it on, and it's on. It's there! So the fact it's disabled by default is BS. I didn't turn it on, and it's on.

I don't even know how to turn it off. It should be off so i have no idea how to get in it's options while it shouldn't be active.

 

As far as I'm concerned, you have to set it up the first time Cortana starts up.

[samcool55]

As far as I'm concerned, you have to set it up the first time Cortana starts up.

I haven't seen anything from cortana since it was installed, and somehow it's there. I don't see it any other time exept when something went wrong when logging in, which happens rarely, but it does happen. So no idea why it fails sometimes, but it fails and i haven't touched it.

[Sharp_3yE]

Okay? Whats with the hostility? Sorry I didn't detail every fucking transistor on the damn card. You know what I meant.

lol, it's not hostile. How you said it in your mind was hostile. Text isn't hostile unless you interpret it that way.

 

And no, you don't have to be detailed. You said the 970 had 3.5 gb of vram which is wrong. You should of said, "the 970 has 3.5 gb of fast vram and .5gb of slow vram" or just mention the 500 mb of slow ram. Saying there is only 305gb of vram is incorrect and can get people confused as well as mislead people especially when the topic was so controversial.

[Murdoch]

this whole privacy thing is funny, most people cant tell you why there against it, they cant give a solid reason, probably because they dont have one.   it feels like they are being told its bad and they are just going with the flow.  if you dont like windows 10 then dont upgrade stay on the new xp, windows 7. how long does it have left?

 

Maybe because the people you speak of are not against privacy?

 

I kinda get the impression any informed reasoned debate or discussion would go well above your head. So I suppose in that regard, might as well laugh about it eh.

[Guest]

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I thought I was going crazy there and couldn't spell response. 

[Sharp_3yE]

Maybe because the people you speak of are not against privacy?

 

I kinda get the impression any informed reasoned debate or discussion would go well above your head. So I suppose in that regard, might as well laugh about it eh.

LOL well aren't you rude and just called this guy dumb, yea not "directly".

You just said that apparently he doesn't know if the people he is talking to are for or against these "privacy" issues? It's not hard to know. They probably say "these issues of privacy are terrible" or something like that.

Also, you just said that he can't do well in an informed reasoned debate? WOW you are such a dick hole. Really, calling this guy dumb twice.

 

What it seems like to me (maybe true) is that you have concerns with the "privacy issues" and you had to bash a guy who doesn't have the same concerns as you. He made an observation about a few people he has talked to where he asked why they had concerns over these privacy issues and they couldn't give a valid reason for their concerns. It's not that there aren't valid reasons but they had concerns but had no valid reason for them.

 

@jaggysnake57 you're smart and that is an interesting observation you have with the few people you have talked to.

[Murdoch]

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Haha, calm down son I was just messin' with the guy.

 

Besides, it's the internet, lets all put our big boy pants on and accept being called names like "dumb" or "Dick hole".

[cooperb21]

There not wrong. Cortana is ment to be a personal assistant. It will learn from you what you do and will obvious collect that info to improve its self.

 

Anyone here use google products like google Search or Chrome? They do the same thing your Searches are usually personalized and thats why there more accurate to you than other search engines they use your browsing/search from your history or google account and i dont see anything wrong with this or what Cortana does are long as the INFO goes no further than that and is not sold.  That all depends i guess no idea if Google o Microsoft do more with it or no. 

[Sharp_3yE]

I haven't seen anything from cortana since it was installed, and somehow it's there. I don't see it any other time exept when something went wrong when logging in, which happens rarely, but it does happen. So no idea why it fails sometimes, but it fails and i haven't touched it.

When you did your very FIRST search on windows 10, did something pop up and you clicked like yes or something?

Must have done that because when you first click on or start searching, there is a short set up process first which enables Cortana. Cortana really just searches the internet and connects to your contacts you have in your email and skype and a few other things. You can go in and let Cortana only know a few things about you instead of everything she can.

Cortana is OFF by default and when you do your first search you go through the short set up process.

 

Setting up Cortana looks something like this

Or This

 

Now, what do you mean "and i blocked it in every single way" because you also said "I don't even know how to turn it off." Maybe because you are "blocking" Cortana, that makes it not start up properly since you have it enabled.

 

Click on the search bar or button, if you click the hamburger button in the top left it will show what the options are in the left. Click on "Notebook". The notebook is the area that Cortana

[Sharp_3yE]

Haha, calm down son I was just messin' with the guy.

 

Besides, it's the internet, lets all put our big boy pants on and accept being called names like "dumb" or "Dick hole".

Lets NOT accept it. It's incredibly RUDE! Yea, we have to live with it because people are dicks, don't be a dick dude. No one likes a person who's a dick.

[LAwLz]

this whole privacy thing is funny, most people cant tell you why there against it, they cant give a solid reason, probably because they dont have one.   it feels like they are being told its bad and they are just going with the flow.  if you dont like windows 10 then dont upgrade stay on the new xp, windows 7. how long does it have left?

Privacy is a right. It is not something that needs to be justified in the same way you should not have to justify why all humans regardless of race, sexuality or other aspect should be worth the same. We don't have to justify why we have the right to live either. The latter example is extremely difficult to justify with just facts since in the end we just end up with "because I want to".

 

Even you have things you want to hide from someone. Everyone does. And because of that, it is not my duty to justify why I should be able to keep things private. It is the one who is trying to take my information who has to justify taking it.

So far, Microsoft is just taking things and not even telling us what info they are taking.

 

 

It's a very complex issue and there are a lot of different ways to tackle it. Some will argue about the potential legal aspects of it, such as people risk self-incriminate themselves, and some will argue about the potential personality changes (or changes in the development of personalities) a lack of privacy can result it.

 

Here is an extract from the article about the development of your own personality (since I doubt most people want to read the entire thing):

 

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But here we must come back to privacy, for the development of critical subjectivity is a realistic goal only to the extent that privacy comes into play.

Subjectivity is a function of the interplay between emergent selfhood and social shaping; privacy, which inheres in the interstices of social shaping, is what permits that interplay to occur. Privacy is not a fixed condition that can be distilled to an essential core, but rather “aninterest in breathing room to engage in socially situated practices of boundary management.” It enables situated subjects to navigate within preexisting cultural and social matrices, creating spaces for the play and the work of self-making. And once this point is established, privacy’s dynamism becomes clear.

Lack of privacy means reduced scope for self-making—along the lines of the liberal ideal, or along other lines. Privacy does not negate social shaping. “In a world with effective boundary management, however, there is play in the joints, and that is better than the alternative. . . . Privacy’s goal, simply put, is to ensure that the development of subjectivity and the development of communal values do not proceed in lockstep.” Privacy will not always produce expressions of subjectivity that have social value , and here I mean expressly to leave open the question whether there might be particular types of privacy claims that do not merit protection or even respect. Even so, privacy is one of the resources that situated subjects require to flourish.

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[Sharp_3yE]

Privacy is a right. It is not something that needs to be justified in the same way you should not have to justify why all humans regardless of race, sexuality or other aspect should be worth the same. We don't have to justify why we have the right to live either. The latter example is extremely difficult to justify with just facts since in the end we just end up with "because I want to".

 

Even you have things you want to hide from someone. Everyone does. And because of that, it is not my duty to justify why I should be able to keep things private. It is the one who is trying to take my information who has to justify taking it.

So far, Microsoft is just taking things and not even telling us what info they are taking.

 

 

It's a very complex issue and there are a lot of different ways to tackle it. Some will argue about the potential legal aspects of it, such as people risk self-incriminate themselves, and some will argue about the potential personality changes (or changes in the development of personalities) a lack of privacy can result it.

 

Here is an extract from the article about the development of your own personality (since I doubt most people want to read the entire thing):

His point was "they can't tell you why they are against it." So, my guess is they would be upset about the "privacy issues" yet couldn't even say "I would rather be left alone" or "I fear what others may do with my private information" but we would have to actually view the conversation though to understand what really happened and whether these few people @jaggysnake57 talked to actually have concerns or just have heard bad things and are repeating it and don't know why it could be bad.

 

You are right about privacy though.

[samcool55]

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I haven't seen the search bar! It's not there. No idea where it went, but i never saw it, and it's not there.

I do have W10 pro btw, maybe that doesn't have cortana? I don't know but it's not there at all. Never saw it before.

There is a loop tho, but that just searches with what you type, but that's it.