Is this 980 Ti Good?

[Khajiit Dealer]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127908

 

What are your thoughts compared to other 980 Tis? 

[desertcomputer]

980ti is great

[manikyath]

thats msi's new "flagship" i believe.

[X1XNobleX1X]

thats msi's new "flagship" i believe.

Yes, it's an awesome card.

 

Benchmarks show it outperforming most other GPUs. (Apart from the Zotac AMP, which is 1 FPS better, but could just be a margin of error)

[Virtual01]

It's like $100 more expensive than other 3rd party models. It's great sure, but you won't get $100 more performance out of it.

[Khajiit Dealer]

It's like $100 more expensive than other 3rd party models. It's great sure, but you won't get $100 more performance out of it.

 

I'm concerned about overheating, so I'm willing to take the hit 

 

This thing is also awesome looking and fits in well with my case. 

[GlassBomb]

thats msi's new "flagship" i believe.

 

That's what I think as well. But at $799 it is a hard sell, IMO. Being almost $150 more expensive than the 'cheaper' GTX 980ti's. And if someone is really going for one the best 980ti out there, then the 980ti Kingpin is really not that far off.

[AresKrieger]

Can find a OC, or bench of it so??? all that matters for a card is potential OC, baseclock if you don't overclock, temps and durability, but there is no data that I can find to compare its OC or temps plus its more money and I like gigabyte cards for nvidia models just a preference.

[MblaZe7run]

thats msi's new "flagship" i believe.

The "Lightning" branding isn't new by any means, but yes, that is their flagship.

[X1XNobleX1X]

I'm concerned about overheating, so I'm willing to take the hit 

 

This thing is also awesome looking and fits in well with my case. 

Have a look at this:

 

Shows the 980TI being one of the coolest card of the lot. 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_980_ti_lightning_review,10.html

[AresKrieger]

Have a look at this:

 

Shows the 980TI being one of the coolest card of the lot. 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_980_ti_lightning_review,10.html

Nevermind

Edited September 16, 2015 by AresKrieger

[AresKrieger]

Have a look at this:

 

Shows the 980TI being one of the coolest card of the lot. 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_980_ti_lightning_review,10.html

Wait no gigabyte

[Lays]

Have a look at this:

 

Shows the 980TI being one of the coolest card of the lot. 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_980_ti_lightning_review,10.html

 

 

It is the coolest 980 TI, that poseidon one is under watercooling

 

 

That's what I think as well. But at $799 it is a hard sell, IMO. Being almost $150 more expensive than the 'cheaper' GTX 980ti's. And if someone is really going for one the best 980ti out there, then the 980ti Kingpin is really not that far off.

 

 

To me the Lightnings pricing makes no sense, the 980 TI KP is only a tiny bit more expensive, and is better in every way except stock cooling vs the Lightning

[X1XNobleX1X]

Wait no gigabyte

The MSI is the coolest?

 

The next one under is the Poseidon, which is water-cooled. 

[GlassBomb]

To me the Lightnings pricing makes no sense, the 980 TI KP is only a tiny bit more expensive, and is better in every way except stock cooling vs the Lightning

 

I agree. I see the Lightning as a graphics card for those who really like MSI. Or really want one for a black/yellow build. But with that said, I really do not think that either the Lightning, nor the Kingpin is worth the 150~200 dollar premium over a more 'normal' 980ti.

[AresKrieger]

The MSI is the coolest?

 

The next one under is the Poseidon, which is water-cooled. 

No my statement was about the G1 gaming temps not existing on that chart, my previous comment was edited as I misread the chart due to 2 msi cards being on the list

[Pankaic]

If you're looking for raw cooling performance, I'd suggest getting the evga 980ti hybrid. Since it uses air and water cooling, it tends to run at around 50-60 degrees Celsius under load, which blows pure air cooling out if the water (pun intended)

[Lord_Karango17]

Lightning edition cards in the past have been very good, all be it a bit pricey. It wont gurantee better overclocks, but you are more likely to attain 1500mhz+ with an overbuilt card like this than the stock pcb...

[Lays]

No my statement was about the G1 gaming temps not existing on that chart, my previous comment was edited as I misread the chart due to 2 msi cards being on the list

 

 

The MSI's cooler is massive compared to the G1, it will run cooler. 

 

 

I agree. I see the Lightning as a graphics card for those who really like MSI. Or really want one for a black/yellow build. But with that said, I really do not think that either the Lightning, nor the Kingpin is worth the 150~200 dollar premium over a more 'normal' 980ti.

 

The Lightnings should easily do ~1500 or so mhz on the core, and guru3d's review of it seemed like the memory may be promising as well.  They hit near 2200 mhz on the mem (8800 effective)

 

But for $50 more you get a Kingpin, with better PCB design, LOADS more features, TONS more support from the extreme overclocking community, and better VRAM & BIOSes.  

There's an engineering BIOS that was made by some of the folks that help design the KP cards, it has tightened memory timings and provides near clock for clock equal performance to a Titan X. Not to mention it has Samsung VRAM, basically 100% guaranteed 8800+ mhz memory capable. 

[GlassBomb]

The Lightnings should easily do ~1500 or so mhz on the core, and guru3d's review of it seemed like the memory may be promising as well.  They hit near 2200 mhz on the mem (8800 effective)

 

But for $50 more you get a Kingpin, with better PCB design, LOADS more features, TONS more support from the extreme overclocking community, and better VRAM & BIOSes.  

There's an engineering BIOS that was made by some of the folks that help design the KP cards, it has tightened memory timings and provides near clock for clock equal performance to a Titan X. Not to mention it has Samsung VRAM, basically 100% guaranteed 8800+ mhz memory capable. 

 

These guys managed to get their 980ti Kingpin that they got (not sure if cherry-picked sample or not) up to a massive 1550 MHz on the core, and 2021 Mhz on the memory.

 

That's a bit silly, ain't it?

[Lays]

 

These guys managed to get their 980ti Kingpin that they got (not sure if cherry-picked sample or not) up to a massive 1550 MHz on the core, and 2021 Mhz on the memory.

 

That's a bit silly, ain't it?

 

 

Their memory would most likely go higher if they backed the core off a tiny tiny bit, but no that's not cherry picked, I haven't seen anyone on the Kingpin owners club on OCN not be able to hit atleast 1520-1530 yet.

[GlassBomb]

Their memory would most likely go higher if they backed the core off a tiny tiny bit, but no that's not cherry picked, I haven't seen anyone on the Kingpin owners club on OCN not be able to hit atleast 1520-1530 yet.

 

Best part about the Kingpins? They come with the same awesome warranty as any other EVGA card comes with.

 

I haven't personally dealt with MSI myself, but I know that many other vendors can be really picky when it comes to returning a card that should be covered under warranty.

[Lays]

Best part about the Kingpins? They come with the same awesome warranty as any other EVGA card comes with.

 

I haven't personally dealt with MSI myself, but I know that many other vendors can be really picky when it comes to returning a card that should be covered under warranty.

 

 

This is the reason IMHO that 980 TI KP just can't be matched in terms of support + OC-ability:

 

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3820

 

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3816

 

 

A reply from KingPin himself to help someone that was having difficulties on Ln2:

 

-Leave both droop jumpers at default, and leave enabled on evbot. (this is 2nd from lowest level of droop and will give slightly more than your getting now)

-Pull card down to -65c and put about 1.4v set on the core with evbot, also about 1.82vmem.

-Time the ln2 pouring so it will run empty around -65c, so youll need to get it to -72c or so then let it go empty

- Use the torch to glaze and put a nice layer of frost over entire copper base of gpu pot, now splash some ln2 in there and pull it down again to -80c and have it go empty, now bump evbot to 1.5v.

- Use the torch again for glazing the base of gpu pot when Ln2 runs out, then splash more ln2 in the pot and pull the temps down again. Pot should be ready for any loading now.

-set 1.7v +400/+698 on the card and start the benchmark about -90c and maintain that temp for all of gt1, when gt1 is almost done, exit out back to desktop. This should give around 1850/2100

-set 1.75v +500/+698 on the card and start benchmark again about -95c and keep it between -95c and -100c and run whole benchmark. This should give around 1950/2100 in clocks btw

-Set 1.775v +550/+698 on the card and start benchmark -105c to -10c. This is about 2ghz/2100 and should run easy.

-Set 1.8v +573/+698 on the card and start benchmark about -110c. This will give 2030/2100

- Repeat raising the gpu at this point in around 26mhz increments at a time MAX..so the steps are smaller after 2g-2026-2055-2080-2106-etc.

With this droop setting, you card may take 1.85v set (1.72-1.73v loading) if u can keep it running that whole time without much crashes. Some cards can max out on this voltage/droopsetting around 2100. I think you will find 1.775-1.8v set with above droop settngs to be a nice sweet spot for max clocks.

Once you can leapfrog it quicker to 2000+ more, it will clock much nicer. The thermal grease freezes when you crash or sit idle for long time so the key point to the best results is to keep the card loaded and running always. Once you lose the grease, its obvious because not even 1900 will run. You can get it back tho by warming the pot to -50c or so then pulling it back down and trying again wink.gif

All cards are different with regards to loading voltages and droop. Some like more droop, some less. This is why we have a wide range adjustment on kp980ti.

One other important note: Always bring the voltages up and down gradually on the card and the vrm will stay healthy and benching over and over again without issue. Some of my lab cards have literally hundreds of hours of benching on them at ridiculous voltages and speeds and no failures!. The card design is extremely robust, like a tank, but you still need to exercise care when applying such high voltages/currents.

Incrementally is always best.

[iTzNiK]

Yes, it's an awesome card.

 

Benchmarks show it outperforming most other GPUs. (Apart from the Zotac AMP, which is 1 FPS better, but could just be a margin of error)

Question for you how is the zotac amp extreme vs the amp is there a difference in oc capabilities? i know out of box the extreme has a higher clock.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Question for you how is the zotac amp extreme vs the amp is there a difference in oc capabilities? i know out of box the extreme has a higher clock.

For fuck sake...

Hasn't this question been beaten to death a bazillion times over?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBHAIe-fOTyM&ved=0CCoQtwIwBWoVChMI0bn70-T6xwIVggWSCh1R4wer&usg=AFQjCNEES4InehYNAyJOSH2Ua34PlsgRvQ&sig2=LT6i3l5LQIK7MwV6UGspmQ

Unless on ln2 it will make literally 0 difference for overclocking (almost all gm200s are a lock for 1500 and almost all can't reach 1530 even kingpins and lightnings).

Yes the card is good. Yes the cooler is stupid overbuilt. It's also freaking massive and would make sli a total bitch (this goes for the lightning and the zotac amp extreme)

Literally none of the premium models are worth it for the 980ti unless you have epeen issues. Or unless you really really want water cooling (cause that actually does have a place, esp in sli builds and that's basically only the hybrid.)

Come on people.

I have a freaking 68% ASIC quality (that's awful for a 980ti btw) msi card and yet with stock bios my overclock boosts to 1507/1514 with mem sitting at 8k (and memory overclocking really doesn't give basically anything until ln2 anyways).