R9 390 vs Gtx 970- I need help!

[Nasstyy]

Yeah or maybe since I made the video, ask the person who has tested a bunch of 970's and a bunch of 390's.. lol

Do you just spend a bunch of money on cards that you use as ornaments on you shelves?

Great vids btw.. really help seeing some nice benchmarks!

[handymanshandle]

look buddy i'm ain't no fanboys or ACboys

but if youre going for a 1080p go for 970 or if you are wanna go for the 390 go for it what stoping you ? 

the two of them is great but the r9 200 cards had proplems with drivers and the issue is in 300 series too.

the 300 series are stoping becuse of the drivers and we know it. no fanboys

Eh I'm not convinced drivers always make a difference (sure some) but from some videos (around June and into early July) they were using the current (at the time) beta drivers and they seemed to be fine and that using the beta drivers would usually yield more favorable results... 

[RyGuy99]

Yeah or maybe since I made the video, ask the person who has tested a bunch of 970's and a bunch of 390's.. lol

I don't care if you're Jayztwocents or Linus. A person that wants reliable, non biased, and more accurate research looks at multiple sources. Period. Lol you should of all people should know this.

[DarkSmith2]

facts:

 

- Both cards perform slightly below GTX 980.

 

R9 390:
- Has 8GB VRAM (which is overkill to its performance ratio)

- max. recommended resolution 1440p.

- slighty better performance

- min recommended psu: 650w, min recommended psu 2xCF: 1000w.

- ~45% more power consumption while gaming. (based on 70% GPU load)

- more heat

 

 

GTX970:

- Has 4GB VRAM (3.5+0,5GB)

- max recommended resolution 1440p

- slightly worse performance 

- min recommended psu: 500w, min recommended psu 2xSLI: 700w

- ~45% less power consumption while gaming. (based on 70%  GPU load)

- less heat

 

Here is to decide,

the highest fps possible for the budget on all costs vs a little less but super efficient but still solid performance.

Both cards are great, cant go wrong with either.

[Guest]

Do you just spend a bunch of money on cards that you use as ornaments on you shelves?

Great vids btw.. really help seeing some nice benchmarks!

I don't own any of them, I get them loaned to me while I do a review, yeah you should check multiple sources but take it from me, the 390 is the slightly better card and the one I would go for, im not biased at all, I only care about whats good, i recommended the 970 over the 290 way back when it came out.

[Prysin]

Making a new build. But I can't decide what Gpu to get.

This one:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-041-IN

Or this one: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-374-AS

Thanks for the help in advance

Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever buy a high end ASUS AMD card. Their coolers are FAR TOO WEAK. They are not good enough to handle the heat of the 290, 290X, 390, 390X or Fury.

 

JUST NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER DO IT!!!

[tom11]

I don't own any of them, I get them loaned to me while I do a review, yeah you should check multiple sources but take it from me, the 390 is the slightly better card and the one I would go for, im not biased at all, I only care about whats good, i recommended the 970 over the 290 way back when it came out.

 

The 390 has a higher TDP than the 970. In practice, how much hotter would my case be with a 390 versus a 970, like 5-10 Celsius degrees? And if I overclock both of them will the difference increase?

 

I am leaning towards the 970 not because of the electricity price but my case hasn't the best airflow/my CPU runs a bit too hot and I don't want to stress my cases temperature's much.

 

Good channel you have btw.

[Guest]

The 390 has a higher TDP than the 970. In practice, how much hotter would my case be with a 390 versus a 970, like 5-10 Celsius degrees? And if I overclock both of them will the difference increase?

 

I am leaning towards the 970 not because of the electricity price but my case hasn't the best airflow/my CPU runs a bit too hot and I don't want to stress my cases temperature's much.

 

Good channel you have btw.

Temps wise the 390 will probably be on average around 5c hotter than the 970, overclocking wise its hard to say because it depends on the card, but both generally can overclock quite well.

Electricity wise, I wouldn't really worry unless its super super expensive where you live, otherwise the difference will be so minimal you might not even notice.

Case temp wise I doubt you would notice much either, these are all minor things really, i'd probably just go with the 390 and be done with it.

[KarateHottie93]

Not really any reason to get a 970 over a 390

[tom11]

Not really any reason to get a 970 over a 390

 

I am worried that the 390 will make my case too hot because of it's higher TDP.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

I am worried that the 390 will make my case too hot because of it's higher TDP.

TDP != power consumption. If you have a case with poor airflow, both these cards are gonna spew loads of heat into your case... What case do you have?

[Curufinwe_wins]

TDP != power consumption. If you have a case with poor airflow, both these cards are gonna spew loads of heat into your case... What case do you have?

Why do you insist on equating case with overall airflow? Almost no one spends the money on decent fans to maximize their cases airflow anyways so it's basically a mute point unless you ask about the whole package...

@ o.p. 390 is honestly a better card the majority of the time. (1080p being really the only time the 970 consistently ties or wins against it and that will change as more and more games use higher vram.) But that said if situation with poor overall airflow or a case best suited to blower style fans (like most itx cases are) then the 970 is a smarter choice.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Why do you insist on equating case with overall airflow? Almost no one spends the money on decent fans to maximize their cases airflow anyways so it's basically a mute point unless you ask about the whole package...

@ o.p. 390 is honestly a better card the majority of the time. (1080p being really the only time the 970 consistently ties or wins against it and that will change as more and more games use higher vram.) But that said if situation with poor overall airflow or a case best suited to blower style fans (like most itx cases are) then the 970 is a smarter choice.

 

What? I'm not sure what you're going on about but I'm just asking what case @tom11 has since he/she said this "I am worried that the 390 will make my case too hot because of it's higher TDP."...

[Curufinwe_wins]

What? I'm not sure what you're going on about but I'm just asking what case @tom11 has since he/she said this "I am worried that the 390 will make my case too hot because of it's higher TDP."...

Just like tdp != heat (although it actually is massively closer by comparison. The only real inaccuracy is that tdp often does not equal power use.) Airflow |= case. If anything the closest comparison is airflow = fans but the only things a choice in case does there is limit max fans.

Example af120 quiet edition at max speed only pushes 40 cfm. Venturi hf-14 pushes 120 cfm at max speed ( and that's still a sub 27 db fan... Think of what a loud one could do.)

Aka one hf-14 gives as much airflow as 3 af120 quiet edition (and is quieter as 3x 21 db is almost exactly 30 db.) While taking up 45% of the surface area in a case.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Just like tdp != heat (although it actually is massively closer by comparison. The only real inaccuracy is that tdp often does not equal power use.) Airflow |= case. If anything the closest comparison is airflow = fans but the only things a choice in case does there is limit max fans.

Example af120 quiet edition at max speed only pushes 40 cfm. Venturi hf-14 pushes 120 cfm at max speed ( and that's still a sub 27 db fan... Think of what a loud one could do.)

Aka one hf-14 gives as much airflow as 3 af120 quiet edition (and is quieter as 3x 21 db is almost exactly 30 db.) While taking up 45% of the surface area in a case.

 

Okay... At this point we're clearly not on the same page... I understand that we know a case is not definite to its airflow but why is it that I can't ask what case is it to have a clearer picture?

 

A case can have so many thing affecting its airflow like fan mount, drive cages, air filters, fan position.... You can't just solve an airflow problem by buying better fans.... 

[Curufinwe_wins]

Okay... At this point we're clearly not on the same page... I understand that we know a case is not definite to its airflow but why is it that I can't ask what case is it to have a clearer picture?

A case can have so many thing affecting its airflow like fan mount, drive cages, air filters, fan position.... You can't just solve an airflow problem by buying better fans....

In more cases (ha pun) than you might imagine you actually can. (I mean otherwise aio's would basically all be identical, it's literally a fan arms race...)

But yes, I conceed the case is an important place to start.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

In more cases (ha pun) than you might imagine you actually can. (I mean otherwise aio's would basically all be identical, it's literally a fan arms race...)

But yes, I conceed the case is an important place to start.

 

Welp, you'll still have to take pump and rad size into consideration. 

 

Yea... You never know. Some guy might buy 10 noctuas, set them all as exhuast and still ask why his/her component is running hot.  :lol:

[Curufinwe_wins]

Welp, you'll still have to take pump and rad size into consideration.

Yea... You never know. Some guy might buy 10 noctuas, set them all as exhuast and still ask why his/her component is running hot. :lol:

Sure, I just always found it funny that the good fans can offer 2-3x the same performance per slot in a case over the common cheap ones and then people complain that they need 15 fans or their 5 fan build runs so hot.

Not to mention cheap=loud

Hahaha at that example. Speaking of which, of my non rad fans I got two venturi and two gp-14s that came with the case. I'm thinking that maybe I dont need that much exhaust power and I could swap one of my venturis from back exhaust to front intake. But then again my case temps are a joke and I don't like non pure black fans (which was part of the reason I went with the venturis in the first place) so I don't like the idea of moving a white fan into a position I can see it.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Sure, I just always found it funny that the good fans can offer 2-3x the same performance per slot in a case over the common cheap ones and then people complain that they need 15 fans or their 5 fan build runs so hot.

Not to mention cheap=loud

Hahaha at that example. Speaking of which, of my non rad fans I got two venturi and two gp-14s that came with the case. I'm thinking that maybe I dont need that much exhaust power and I could swap one of my venturis from back exhaust to front intake. But then again my case temps are a joke and I don't like non pure black fans (which was part of the reason I went with the venturis in the first place) so I don't like the idea of moving a white fan into a position I can see it.

 

That's why I like to ask for the case as well, some cases ship with pretty shitty fans. The cheap cm sickle flow fan I bought were better at being fans than the stock Nzxt Phantom 410 ones.

[Curufinwe_wins]

That's why I like to ask for the case as well, some cases ship with pretty shitty fans. The cheap cm sickle flow fan I bought were better at being fans than the stock Nzxt Phantom 410 ones.

Another reason to buy a fractal case hahaha. The gp-14s are nothing special but they sure as hell aren't the dogshit that comes with most other cases haha.

*stares at corsair, antec, thermalfake*

Gp-14

Air Flow

68.4

Noise Level

18.9

Af140 quiet

Air Flow

67.8 CFM

Noise Level

24 dBA

Nzxt fn-140

Air Flow

62.5 CFM

Noise Level

26.52 dBA

And those last two arent even considered bad fans lol.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Another reason to buy a fractal case hahaha. The gp-14s are nothing special but they sure as hell aren't the dogshit that comes with most other cases haha.

*stares at corsair, antec, thermalfake*

Gp-14

Air Flow

68.4

Noise Level

18.9

Af140 quiet

Air Flow

67.8 CFM

Noise Level

24 dBA

Nzxt fn-140

Air Flow

62.5 CFM

Noise Level

26.52 dBA

And those last two arent even considered bad fans lol.

 

Well... didn't know the sickle flow was quite abit better 

 

SickleFlow 120

Air Flow

69.69 CFM

Noise Level

19 dBA

[Curufinwe_wins]

Well... didn't know the sickle flow was quite abit better

SickleFlow 120

Air Flow

69.69 CFM

Noise Level

19 dBA

At least at beginning of life. New egg and others have horror stories of horizontal mounting of those fans getting really loud over time and dying quickly.

Dem cheap sleve bearings.

[SpaceJunglerX]

Buy a Sapphire R9 390, you won't be disappointed.

 

I had the same problem deciding between 970 and 390 and for me 390 was cheaper.. (I belive better specs and fps/buck) 

[Mattinator]

Making a new build. But I can't decide what Gpu to get.

This one:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-041-IN

Or this one: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-374-AS

Thanks for the help in advance

 

I just went through this decision myself. Personally, I decided to go for the 390, because of reasons stated by others in this thread - it is more future-proof, will get more from DX12, and the 8gb of VRAM of the 390, which is especially relevant if you want to go Crossfire/SLI - VRAM doesn't stack, so 390's will Crossfire better than 970's will SLI.

Not sure I'd go with the ASUS one though - Sapphire for best stock cooler, MSI for best overclocks, XFX or PowerColor if you hope to watercool.

[tom11]

TDP != power consumption. If you have a case with poor airflow, both these cards are gonna spew loads of heat into your case... What case do you have?

 

Did you see me say anywhere that TDP = power consumption? The 390 has a higher TDP than the 970 and this means that it outputs more heat to the case. Am I wrong here?

 

And my case is just an ASUS case and my CPU is a 4790k which runs a bit hot and right now I can't mess with my case, change fans etc. I just want to know if the 390 will make my case significantly hotter than a 970.