GTX - 970 FPS ISSUES (Minecraft)

[KsXqjEpTpYQvt532]

I just ordered my MSi GTX 970 and set up the drivers and went on to game. Witcher 3 runs perfectly smooth on Very High settings and so does GTA V, a stable 50-70 fps on both games and no stutters. However, I did play Minecraft a lot before I bought this card and I used to get 300-800fps easily with my old 560 Ti which was nearing its end being a 6 year old graphics card... I get 20-30 fps when I enable the "Shaders Mod" which makes your game look better in a more realistic way, but how is that comparing to my 560 Ti which could handle those on 110+fps? Minecraft just runs horrible and it isn't playable anymore... I have tried messing around with the game settings, nVidia control panel and looking at the temps in °c my CPU and my GPU is reaching... It all seems to be fine.

Screenshot of my fps and ram usage on the game: http://i.imgur.com/0fhOa7r.jpg

And yes, V-Sync is turned off on nVidia Control Panel and on the game. (I have a 144hz monitor anyway..)

note: My fps drops heavily when looking at many people!

Specs:
CPU: AMD FX-8320 Eight Core (Currently at 4.5GHz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i Watercooler
Graphics: MSi GTX 970 4GB
Motherboard: MSI 970 Gaming
SSD (Primary): Sandisk Ultra II 256Gb
HDD (Secondary): Western Caviar Blue 1Tb
PSU: OCZ ZT Series 750w
Memory: Cruical Ballistix 2x8GB

 

Any help will be appreciated as I am very, very eager to get this fixed!! 

[Lolzious]

Minecraft is completely RAM and CPU based.

Nevermind, I really do remember someone saying that though

[Enderman]

The game has changed a lot since the 560ti days...

when was the last time you used the 560ti? just before you received the 970?

[Enderman]

Minecraft is completely RAM and CPU based.

That's an absolute lie.

[Dabombinable]

I just ordered my MSi GTX 970 and set up the drivers and went on to game. Witcher 3 runs perfectly smooth on Very High settings and so does GTA V, a stable 50-70 fps on both games and no stutters. However, I did play Minecraft a lot before I bought this card and I used to get 300-800fps easily with my old 560 Ti which was nearing its end being a 6 year old graphics card... I get 20-30 fps when I enable the "Shaders Mod" which makes your game look better in a more realistic way, but how is that comparing to my 560 Ti which could handle those on 110+fps? Minecraft just runs horrible and it isn't playable anymore... I have tried messing around with the game settings, nVidia control panel and looking at the temps in °c my CPU and my GPU is reaching... It all seems to be fine.

Screenshot of my fps and ram usage on the game: http://i.imgur.com/0fhOa7r.jpg

And yes, V-Sync is turned off on nVidia Control Panel and on the game. (I have a 144hz monitor anyway..)

note: My fps drops heavily when looking at many people!

Specs:

CPU: AMD FX-8320 Eight Core (Currently at 4.5GHz)

CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i Watercooler

Graphics: MSi GTX 970 4GB

Motherboard: MSI 970 Gaming

SSD (Primary): Sandisk Ultra II 256Gb

HDD (Secondary): Western Caviar Blue 1Tb

PSU: OCZ ZT Series 750w

Memory: Cruical Ballistix 2x8GB

 

Any help will be appreciated as I am very, very eager to get this fixed!! 

*sigh* Your CPU is the problem. The GTX 560ti wasn't getting bottlenecked by your 4 module 8 ALU/integer core CPU, unlike your GTX 970 which is getting bottlenecked big time. Also, due to the low IPC of the 8320 you'll have issues on the CPU side of things as well since Minecraft is single thread intensive, with at most 2 threads being used.

[Swndlr]

The FX8 may be the issue, and besides, 120FPS is fine.

And a side note, if youre using the Shaderscore mod, then you can uninstall that and it may yield a few extra frames and you also can just tweak graphics settings, not everything needs to be on the fancy and high detailed preset.

 

Can you monitor CPU and GPU usage while doing something in game, like hanging around a group of people or loading up an area of a world?

[misthosg]

*sigh* Your CPU is the problem. The GTX 560ti wasn't getting bottlenecked by your 4 module 8 ALU/integer core CPU, unlike your GTX 970 which is getting bottlenecked big time. Also, due to the low IPC of the 8320 you'll have issues on the CPU side of things as well since Minecraft is single thread intensive, with at most 2 threads being used.

Doesn't make sense though, a larger bottleneck wouldn't result in lower fps. He would still acheive the same if not better fps with a 970.

[Mr.Meerkat]

*sigh* Your CPU is the problem. The GTX 560ti wasn't getting bottlenecked by your 4 module 8 ALU/integer core CPU, unlike your GTX 970 which is getting bottlenecked big time. Also, due to the low IPC of the 8320 you'll have issues on the CPU side of things as well since Minecraft is single thread intensive, with at most 2 threads being used.

But he was getting much better FPS on minecraft before he upgraded his GPU with the same CPU.

 

It doesn't make you point invalid but it isn't related to the problem as a CPU bottlenecking a more powerful GPU shouldn't result in lower FPS as before with a much weaker GPU which wasn't being bottlenecked.

[KsXqjEpTpYQvt532]

The game has changed a lot since the 560ti days...

when was the last time you used the 560ti? just before you received the 970?

Yes, I used the 560Ti just before I bought this 970 and if my CPU is the bottleneck, then why am I getting 5x lower fps than I was getting with my 560Ti only on Minecraft? I couldn't even play Witcher 3 on the lowest settings and 720p with that card, but I'm achieving a constant 60 now with my 970 and Witcher 3 all being maxed out. Help!

[Enderman]

Yes, I used the 560Ti just before I bought this 970 and if my CPU is the bottleneck, then why am I getting 5x lower fps than I was getting with my 560Ti only on Minecraft? I couldn't even play Witcher 3 on the lowest settings and 720p with that card, but I'm achieving a constant 60 now with my 970 and Witcher 3 all being maxed out. Help!

I'm not completely sure...

You havent changed any software since upgrading to the 970 right? aside from GPU drivers?

 

It may just be the GPU architecture that doesn't behave well with the way the game does its openGL rendering

 

Make sure your GPU drivers are up to date again, all windows updates are installed, download and install the latest java 8 32 and 64 bit versions

then try making a bash script that does < java -Xmx8G -jar "location of your MC application here" >

put that in the bash file without the <> and save it as all filetypes, "name.bat" (including the quotes)

 

you will have to try several of the downloads from minecraft.net

I think its the "minecraft for windows alternative" one, or you can try the one in "minecraft for linus/other"

try both in the bash file, see if anything cahnges

[Dabombinable]

But he was getting much better FPS on minecraft before he upgraded his GPU with the same CPU.

 

It doesn't make you point invalid but it isn't related to the problem as a CPU bottlenecking a more powerful GPU shouldn't result in lower FPS as before with a much weaker GPU which wasn't being bottlenecked.

I myself know from experience that the GTX 970 only works as hard as it needs to, if its not being utilized enough it downclocks itself, which affects the FPS heavily in minecraft.

[Mr.Meerkat]

I think it's either a mod problem or drivers...anything else changed except changing your graphics card and (you should have done by now...) completely uninstalling old drivers and installing the correct new ones?

[Enderman]

*sigh* Your CPU is the problem. The GTX 560ti wasn't getting bottlenecked by your 4 module 8 ALU/integer core CPU, unlike your GTX 970 which is getting bottlenecked big time. Also, due to the low IPC of the 8320 you'll have issues on the CPU side of things as well since Minecraft is single thread intensive, with at most 2 threads being used.

No, that's not how bottlenecks work...

Thats not how anything works...

 

If the CPU was bottlenecking the 970 and not the 560ti he would get the same or greater fps with the 970, not LOWER

 

the issue is he is getting lower fps with the 970, which shows that the CPU is not a bottleneck because he could get higher fps with an older card

 

I think you need to learn what the neck of a bottle is...

if the bottleneck is 10, then 8 goes in, 8 comes out

but if 1287961 goes in, only 10 comes out

thats called a bottleneck

 

if 1287961 goes in and 4 comes out then that means something is wrong somewhere other than the bottleneck

[KsXqjEpTpYQvt532]

I think it's either a mod problem or drivers...anything else changed except changing your graphics card and (you should have done by now...) completely uninstalling old drivers and installing the correct new ones?

I have already reinstalled all my display drivers, Java and all .minecraft folder itself by bringing it back to Vanilla basically.

And no, I have not made a single change in any other software, haven't removed anything nor downloaded anything.

 

edit: I don't get why am I getting good overall FPS in GTAV (maxed-out) and Witcher 3 (maxed out), but not anymore in Minecraft? It is weird how I'm running games flawlessly how I couldn't have done in the past with my 560Ti, but am now getting minus the 400 fps I used to get on Minecraft with my old card...

[Mr.Meerkat]

I have already reinstalled all my display drivers, Java and all .minecraft folder itself by bringing it back to Vanilla basically.

And no, I have not made a single change in any other software, haven't removed anything nor downloaded anything

Settings within minecraft?-like render/draw distance?

 

Some type of throttling by CPU?

 

Throttling by GPU?

 

...I don't know but these are possiblities

[Dabombinable]

No, that's not how bottlenecks work...

Thats not how anything works...

 

If the CPU was bottlenecking the 970 and not the 560ti he would get the same or greater fps with the 970, not LOWER

 

the issue is he is getting lower fps with the 970, which shows that the CPU is not a bottleneck because he could get higher fps with an older card

 

I think you need to learn what the neck of a bottle is...

if the bottleneck is 10, then 8 goes in, 8 comes out

but if 1287961 goes in, only 10 comes out

thats called a bottleneck

 

if 1287961 goes in and 4 comes out then that means something is wrong somewhere other than the bottleneck

I know how bottlenecking works, and the GTX 970 has the little quirk in which downclocks it when the GPU isn't under a high load, kind of like Intel's speed step.

Edit: BTW, you obviously don't have a 970 so you relly don't know how they react when bottlenecked. I however do as I installed mine with my Xeon X5450 for shits and giggles, 20% bottleneck and the GPU never ran at its full clock speed unless folding.

[KsXqjEpTpYQvt532]

Some people suggested to me to fiddle about with Minecraft's in-game settings. The FPS does not change by one bit by turning the render distance from 8(Normal), to 2(Tiny) and turning the rest possible down to Low or either OFF. There is nothing that can be resolved in the options in the game itself... HELP

[Dabombinable]

Some people suggested to me to fiddle about with Minecraft's in-game settings. The FPS does not change by one bit by turning the render distance from 8(Normal), to 2(Tiny) and turning the rest possible down to Low or either OFF. There is nothing that can be resolved in the options in the game itself... HELP

Again, its the CPU bottlenecking the GPU, which is why when you reduce settings you see no difference at all in performance. Are you running an overclock by any chance?

[KsXqjEpTpYQvt532]

Again, its the CPU bottlenecking the GPU, which is why when you reduce settings you see no difference at all in performance. Are you running an overclock by any chance?

I tried overclocking the cpu to 4.5ghz, didn't help... Also tried overclocking the gpu, saw no difference also...

[Mr.Meerkat]

maybe the CPU isn't actually hitting 4.5ghz or even because of how minecraft is so light on the 970, the 970 is still in "power saving mode" (don't know what it's called)

[Mr.Meerkat]

Also, if you still have that 560 ti, put it back in and see what FPS you get because if you can't get the same FPS as before with the 560 ti then there is something changed.

[KsXqjEpTpYQvt532]

maybe the CPU isn't actually hitting 4.5ghz or even because of how minecraft is so light on the 970, the 970 is still in "power saving mode" (don't know what it's called)

Well, it clearly said that my CPU is clocked at 4.5GHz in my Computer -> Properties..

[Enderman]

I know how bottlenecking works, and the GTX 970 has the little quirk in which downclocks it when the GPU isn't under a high load, kind of like Intel's speed step.

Edit: BTW, you obviously don't have a 970 so you relly don't know how they react when bottlenecked. I however do as I installed mine with my Xeon X5450 for shits and giggles, 20% bottleneck and the GPU never ran at its full clock speed unless folding.

With framerate unlocked minecraft will use close to 100% of the GPU

always

it should never downclock for that

 

And I don't need to own a 970 to know how a GPU works and how a bottleneck affects fps

You can go to google to do all that research yourself if you like, but I can tell you that the 970 should NOT be getting any thing lower than the 560ti, and the CPU is NOT the cause of this issue

[KsXqjEpTpYQvt532]

With framerate unlocked minecraft will use close to 100% of the GPU

always

it should never downclock for that

 

And I don't need to own a 970 to know how a GPU works and how a bottleneck affects fps

You can go to google to do all that research yourself if you like, but I can tell you that the 970 should NOT be getting any thing lower than the 560ti, and the CPU is NOT the cause of this issue

Framerate is unlocked and no VSync is turned on. I guess all I have left is some genius to come on here and tell me everything whilst I test the old 560Ti and see if I get the same FPS as I did before which could easily hit 1200+ on Flatland SP... 

[Dabombinable]

With framerate unlocked minecraft will use close to 100% of the GPU

always

it should never downclock for that

 

And I don't need to own a 970 to know how a GPU works and how a bottleneck affects fps

You can go to google to do all that research yourself if you like, but I can tell you that the 970 should NOT be getting any thing lower than the 560ti, and the CPU is NOT the cause of this issue

Again, the GTX 970 isn't being put under full load because of the bottle neck, ergo it doesn't work as hard and reach its full potential because of the bottleneck. And with my Xeon X5450 and my GTX 650ti OC 2GB I myself saw higher frame rates with minecraft+ shaders than I did with my GTX 970. I speak from experience unlike you.