Help with a Gaming Build

[nhedgpeth]

I've been building PC's for a bit. Have a few successful builds under my belt. I have only built using AMD cpu/motherboards so far and am looking at building my first Intel build. I am not sure if I should spend the moderatly extra money on the Intel system or stick with a higher end AMD build.

 

I really enjoy my current system, it performs pretty damn good IMHO, but I'd like a bit more while playing games.

 

Currently I'm running:

 

AMD A10 7700K with an Arctic Freezer A11 cooler

Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI Motherboard

Kingston HyperX Savage 2400MHz (16GB)

Kingston V300 SSD (240GB)

Corsair CX 750M

HGST 7200rpm (1TB)

XFX Radeon R9 270X

Thermaltake Core V1 Case (200mm front  and 2x 80mm Arctic F8 fans at back.

 

The new build, I would like to continue with the Matx or Mitx size/Smallish form factor.

I won't be upgrading the GPU with this build, but eventually will.

Currently running this setup on an HP ENVY32.

 

What I'm currently looking at is:

 

Intel i5 4690k

ASUS Micro ATX LGA 1150 Z97M-Plus

Kingston 240GB V300 SSD (boot)

WD Black 1TB (storage)

Rosewill LINE-M Micro-ATX case

 

Possibly looking at going AMD FX but my figures, for similar parts, I'm only looking at 50-100 total difference for parts, Intel being the more expensive route.

I'll be re-using the memory from my current build.

 

Looking for some insight on which way to go...

Let me hear it! I'm leaning toward the Intel build.

 

Thanks!

[minibois]

i5 4690K.

(If you want to spend less, go for the i5 4460)

[Dimi3os]

Definetly Intel! The 4690k is a beast for gaming.

[Enderman]

The 4690k is much better use of your money. You won't regret it in the future

[_JohnB330ci]

i5 4690K for sure, I've been wanting to get off of my 8350 for ages, just never had the money.

[Thermal]

AMD for a cheap upgrade path or Intel for a significant upgrade, depends how much you want to spend?

[TheKDub]

I've been building PC's for a bit. Have a few successful builds under my belt. I have only built using AMD cpu/motherboards so far and am looking at building my first Intel build. I am not sure if I should spend the moderatly extra money on the Intel system or stick with a higher end AMD build.

 

I really enjoy my current system, it performs pretty damn good IMHO, but I'd like a bit more while playing games.

 

Currently I'm running:

 

AMD A10 7700K with an Arctic Freezer A11 cooler

Gigabyte GA-F2A88XN-WIFI Motherboard

Kingston HyperX Savage 2400MHz (16GB)

Kingston V300 SSD (240GB)

Corsair CX 750M

HGST 7200rpm (1TB)

XFX Radeon R9 270X

Thermaltake Core V1 Case (200mm front  and 2x 80mm Arctic F8 fans at back.

 

The new build, I would like to continue with the Matx or Mitx size/Smallish form factor.

I won't be upgrading the GPU with this build, but eventually will.

Currently running this setup on an HP ENVY32.

 

What I'm currently looking at is:

 

Intel i5 4690k

ASUS Micro ATX LGA 1150 Z97M-Plus

Kingston 240GB V300 SSD (boot)

WD Black 1TB (storage)

Rosewill LINE-M Micro-ATX case

 

Possibly looking at going AMD FX but my figures, for similar parts, I'm only looking at 50-100 total difference for parts, Intel being the more expensive route.

I'll be re-using the memory from my current build.

 

Looking for some insight on which way to go...

Let me hear it! I'm leaning toward the Intel build.

 

Thanks!

 

i5.

[thekeemo]

rendering 8350

gaming 4690k

[Sam Z Man]

There are no small form factor motherboards for a FX-8350.

And it's a horeable CPU anyway so definitely go for a i5.

[Comessy]

4690k is much better

[SkywardKkalox]

The same thing that @thekeemo said

 

8350 for rendering and 4690k for gaming.

[SeanAngelo]

Seriously. Why is this asked so much? Google will give you an instant answer. Do not go with AMD CPUs. I'll even add it to my signature if I have too in big bold letters.

 

 

OT: go for the i5.

[coppertj]

Get the 4690k if you're going to game

[LiamApex]

Seriously. Why is this asked so much? Google will give you an instant answer. Do not go with AMD CPUs. I'll even add it to my signature if I have too in big bold letters.

OMG I LOVE YOUR SIGNATURE CAN I USE IT ???

[Oshino Shinobu]

Seriously. Why is this asked so much? Google will give you an instant answer. Do not go with AMD CPUs. I'll even add it to my signature if I have too in big bold letters.

Saying not to go for AMD for CPUs at all is really not good advice. It will depend on what the build is being used for, as well as the budget. For a gaming system, sure, Intel is the best way to go in pretty much all cases, but for a budget editing, rendering or other workstation build, AMD's CPUs can offer better performance for the price. 

[Thermal]

Saying not to go for AMD for CPUs at all is really not good advice. It will depend on what the build is being used for, as well as the budget. For a gaming system, sure, Intel is the best way to go in pretty much all cases, but for a budget editing, rendering or other workstation build, AMD's CPUs can offer better performance for the price. 

 

This.

 

If you're on a tight budget and need a workstation it is a much safer bet to go AMD, however, in the long term Intel is a more expensive but more powerful option.

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This.

 

If you're on a tight budget and need a workstation it is a much safer bet to go AMD, however, in the long term Intel is a more expensive but more powerful option.

 

The 8350 really is just 4 cores split in half, you do know that is even worse than 4 strong cores since most applications can make use of fewer cores a lot more efficiently?

[Thermal]

The 8350 really is just 4 cores split in half, you do know that is even worse than 4 strong cores since most applications can make use of fewer cores a lot more efficiently?

 

The bias is strong with this one.

 

The cores are joined and share resources, they're not "split in half" as you claim. There are a large amount of 3D and video applications that benefit from just having more cores.

[Mao_Zedong]

Seriously. Why is this asked so much? Google will give you an instant answer. Do not go with AMD CPUs. I'll even add it to my signature if I have too in big bold letters.

You need to change your signature to smaller text. If you don't a mod will. One of them did it to me, and it was only a little over the max.

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The bias is strong with this one.

 

The cores are joined and share resources, they're not "split in half" as you claim. There are a large amount of 3D and video applications that benefit from just having more cores.

 

4 logical cores, 4 "virtual" cores. There is a lot of bias but they do share the same resources which is also bad since the resources provided, L2 cache most notably is only enough for 4 cores. I do run an 8320 in my main rig.

[alpenwasser]

Seriously. Why is this asked so much? Google will give you an instant answer. Do not go with AMD CPUs. I'll even add it to my signature if I have too in big bold letters.

 

 

OMG I LOVE YOUR SIGNATURE CAN I USE IT ???

No, no you may not. At least not in that font size. As our lord and savior Slick once spoke

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EDIT: Also, please don't turn this thread into another AMD-Intel flamewar. Debating

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Edited July 12, 2015 by alpenwasser

[Thermal]

4 logical cores, 4 "virtual" cores. There is a lot of bias but they do share the same resources which is also bad since the resources provided, L2 cache most notably is only enough for 4 cores.

 

What? It has 4 modules with each module consisting of 2 cores sharing resources, it's unconventional and not that efficient but when you need more cores for say 3DS Max or Media Encoder it's going to serve you well. Where are you getting the metric that the 2mb of L2 cache is insufficient for the modules?

 

The 8350 has 8mb of L2 cache across 4 modules, that's 2mb per module of 1mb per core. The 4670k has 6mb of l2 cache across 4 cores, which is 1.5mb of cache per core.

 

But you have to remember that these are modules and not cores and you can't point at a number, especially cache, and say "That one is bad."

 

Source 

 

Because y'know you need to look stuff up before you start shouting stuff online.

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What? It has 4 modules with each module consisting of 2 cores sharing resources, it's unconventional and not that efficient but when you need more cores for say 3DS Max or Media Encoder it's going to serve you well. Where are you getting the metric that the 2mb of L2 cache is insufficient for the modules?

 

The 8350 has 8mb of L2 cache across 4 modules, that's 2mb per module of 1mb per core. The 4670k has 6mb of l2 cache across 4 cores, which is 1.5mb of cache per core.

 

But you have to remember that these are modules and not cores and you can't point at a number, especially cache, and say "That one is bad."

 

Source 

 

Because y'know you need to look stuff up before you start shouting stuff online.

 

I remember reading and watching a video about why the 8350 is an aweful choice a while back when it launched. It listed a couple things that had to do with cache size and the virtual cores which were considered "fake" hence the "virtual" quote. Marketing tactic. Nearly impossible to actually use all 8 cores efficiently without issues. That's all I remember.

[YT2002]

rendering 8350

gaming 4690k

Actually in rendering the i5 beats it out but encoding the 8350 wins

[Thermal]

I remember reading and watching a video about why the 8350 is an aweful choice a while back when it launched. It listed a couple things that had to do with cache size and the virtual cores which were considered "fake" hence the "virtual" quote. Marketing tactic. Nearly impossible to actually use all 8 cores efficiently without issues. That's all I remember.

 

Sources!? You can't just say stuff, claim you heard it and then pass it off as truth ESPECIALLY in this situation! 

 

OP is asking for help and more accurately, facts.

 

Adobe CS6 Benchmarks

3D Applications

General Benchmarks and Price to Performance

 

There you go @nhedgpeth flick through those and see if it's worth side-grading or going full platform swap!