AMD Blocks/Disables Overclocking the Memory for the Radeon R9 Fury X

[Techhog]

Since when did overclocking void warranties these days? Didn't realize it was 2004 anymore.

Companies literally advertise and hype up that their products are better at overclocking than other companies, and have software for overclocking their products. You can literally kill CPU's whilst extreme overclocking and still RMA them to intel, even without the tuning plan.

Companies put so many limits on their hardware now that you really can't kill it without modifying your BIOS + desoldering resistors on GPU's most of the time.

CPU's are easily kill-able, but as long as it's still in warranty, intel will still replace it. @ProKoN has killed a few 4770k/4790k's overclocking with DICE, hasn't had an RMA turned down yet I don't think.

If the company finds out that you overclocked, your warranty is void. It doesn't matter what they advertise. Read the warranty.

[Lays]

If the company finds out that you overclocked, your warranty is void. It doesn't matter what they advertise. Read the warranty.

 

 

http://www.evga.com/support/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=55

 

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[Guest Kloaked]

Newish technology? Name one piece of tech other than Fury, that has HBM. We have no idea of the overhead that HBM allows in speed, or if there even is any. This is not a new architecture, this is an entirely new technology that hasn't existed before. Locking it down, until full testing, production methods, etc are down, is a clever thing. Especially considering this is only a 500mhz part. Overclocking it 50 MHz is like OC'ing a 980ti 175/700 MHz on the memory. Can you imagine people starting an overclock based on their knowledge of GDDR5?

Either way, HBM is not a bottleneck, and you can OC the GPU itself. I don't see the problem in praxis, but understand that people want to try and OC just for the hell of it. But we all know what happens, if people start frying their HBM OC'ing them a tiny bit. AMD will get the standard shit fest, as we are used to. If this is the same with HBM2, Pascal should be locked down as well. I wonder what people would say to that.

Did you really get that offended when HBM was called newish technology? Looooooool

[CTR640]

AMD keeps bragging about how the Fury X is a overclockingsdream and yet they disable it? What? Is Lisa Su on her period?

[Techhog]

There was defense of Nvidia because of OEM problems, and as a tech enthusiast I have to agree with that defense. Let MSI and Clevo get custom drivers for their beefy laptops. For 95% of the cases, locking overclocking is the right decision. And just because it voids your warranty doesn't mean it's easily proven that that's what you did. It's actually rather difficult to prove someone has overvolted and overclocked a CPU/GPU to death and takes a lot of time and expensive equipment to do.

You should say it means one of two things. AMD could also solely be choosing to use the high quality stacks and eating the cost of the production for the rest.

And where's your proof that those OEM problems even exist? I assume you have something. Also, custom drivers for a gaming machine? So people with $2000+ laptops deserve to get screwed over and wait days/weeks/months for driver updates due to a problem which might not even exist, all because you think that gaming should be restricted to desktops? You are so arrogant and narrow-minded...

[Techhog]

http://www.evga.com/support/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=55

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Oh, I forgot that EVGA is the only graphics card maker. Looks like you win.

[Lays]

Oh, I forgot that EVGA is the only graphics card maker. Looks like you win.

 

 

MSI is fine with it as well, Gigabyte doesn't care either.

 

As long as you don't PHYSICALLY damage the card, they don't care. (IE: desoldering capacitors / desoldering resistors, etc)

[Norman_the_Owl]

It's probably really unstable or dangerous or something

[Norman_the_Owl]

MSI is fine with it as well, Gigabyte doesn't care either.

 

As long as you don't PHYSICALLY damage the card, they don't care. (IE: desoldering capacitors / desoldering resistors, etc)

Off the top of my head, EVGA doesn't really care as long as it's returned in the same condition.

 

Who knows, maybe if you're good at soldering they won't care

[Notional]

I really think that they just need to explain it better. We already know for a fact that yields are low, so it's possible that AMD really didn't have much a choice. Low yields means two things:

 

1.) They may have to settle for using lower quality stacks, and

2.) The number of stack available for them to use is limited.

 

Lower quality than what?

Low yields seems to come from the layering process, not the actual ram themselves. So if you sandwich 3 layers that work, and the 4th layer loses connection, then that entire stack is defective, even though all 4 ram modules themselves work. Either way, we know SK Hynix has ramped up production, so I doubt the "problem" lies there. Not everything is manufactured to have a huge overhead.

 

 

Did you really get that offended when HBM was called newish technology? Looooooool

 

Offended? Do you think I'm an SJW?

 

No, I'm just putting things into perspective. People are complaining that they cannot OC a revolutionary technology, that has just been announced for the market (not even in stores yet). And for what purpose? It already destroys all GDDR5 implementations out there. 

Like I said, if this is an OC limitation in the overhead of HBM, NVidia will have to do the exact same. Remember that they too will use HBM in Pascal.

 

 

AMD keeps bragging about how the Fury X is a overclockingsdream and yet they disable it? What? Is Lisa Su on her period?

 

I'm sure you can overclock the GPU quite a lot. Why would you need to OC the memory, if there is no benefit to it?

[Fetzie]

Serous question, how much of a performance gain can you can by only OCing the memory?

 

Not much at all. The only real benefit to overclocking memory is you can sometimes increase the stable core clock speed by increasing the memory speed. And with how fast HBM is, you might have to overclock the core by a huge amount before that becomes an issue.

[Guest Kloaked]

Offended? Do you think I'm an SJW?

No, I'm just putting things into perspective. People are complaining that they cannot OC a revolutionary technology, that has just been announced for the market (not even in stores yet). And for what purpose? It already destroys all GDDR5 implementations out there.

Like I said, if this is an OC limitation in the overhead of HBM, NVidia will have to do the exact same. Remember that they too will use HBM in Pascal.

Yes, you look offended.

Also, you shouldn't be believing AMD's benchmarks. Watch for actual reviewer benchmarks.

You also don't know if Pascal will be doing the same thing.

Don't say stuff that you don't have confirmation on.

[NeatSquidYT]

Because custom BIOSes don't exist.

[NeatSquidYT]

If the company finds out that you overclocked, your warranty is void. It doesn't matter what they advertise. Read the warranty.

*cough* Reset overclock before sending it in

[Notional]

Yes, you look offended.

Also, you shouldn't be believing AMD's benchmarks. Watch for actual reviewer benchmarks.

You also don't know if Pascal be doing the same thing.

Don't say stuff that you don't have confirmation on.

 

That is your subjective opinion. I am not.

 

Who said anything about benchmarks? Read SK hynix' official specs on HBM: Higher bandwidth than GDDR5 in every way.

 

So if HBM goes up in smoke by OC'ing them, you don't think NVidia would lock OC? AMD are much more lenient when it comes to OC than NVidia has ever been.

[Guest Kloaked]

That is your subjective opinion. I am not.

Who said anything about benchmarks? Read SK hynix' official specs on HBM: Higher bandwidth than GDDR5 in every way.

So if HBM goes up in smoke by OC'ing them, you don't think NVidia would lock OC? AMD are much more lenient when it comes to OC than NVidia has ever been.

You're cute.

[Notional]

You're cute.

 

I know

 

Just out of curiosity, since you are so critical of Huddy. What exactly did he claim, that is not true?

[Techhog]

MSI is fine with it as well, Gigabyte doesn't care either.

 

As long as you don't PHYSICALLY damage the card, they don't care. (IE: desoldering capacitors / desoldering resistors, etc)

Links? Because that's not really what I read. From what I've read, it voids the warranty if they know that overclocking was the cause of whatever the problem is. If they don't know, they can't find out, so your warranty isn't broken. It's easier for them to say that it doesn't void it, but damage from overclocking is not covered by the warranty other than in special cases. If you fry the GPU and tell them that you overclocked, you won't get an RMA.

[Guest Kloaked]

I know

Just out of curiosity, since you are so critical of Huddy. What exactly did he claim, that is not true?

Probably everything.

[Lays]

Links? Because that's not really what I read. From what I've read, it voids the warranty if they know that overclocking was the cause of whatever the problem is. If they don't know, they can't find out, so your warranty isn't broken. 

 

 

I have personal experience dealing with MSI's live support on the phone in the past from some problems my 290X Lightning had, and some issues I had with my Z97 M Power motherboard. They said as long as nothing is physically damaged, overclocking is fine on their motherboards and GPU's.  (Hence why they have a dam product line DEDICATED to overclocking, with overclocking advertised all over the box.)

 

Gigabyte has their own software for overclocking, and they promote it on just about every GPU they sell, I'm 100% sure they wouldn't turn down an RMA as long as the card wasn't modified or damaged in any way.

[Techhog]

You're cute.

You do realize that this is the same company with a max power limit of 106% on some of their cards, right?

[Guest Kloaked]

You do realize that this is the same company with a max power limit of 106% on some of their cards, right?

You'll need to be more specific. Two companies were mentioned on those posts.

[Techhog]

I have personal experience dealing with MSI's live support on the phone in the past from some problems my 290X Lightning had, and some issues I had with my Z97 M Power motherboard. They said as long as nothing is physically damaged, overclocking is fine on their motherboards and GPU's.  (Hence why they have a dam product line DEDICATED to overclocking, with overclocking advertised all over the box.)

 

Gigabyte has their own software for overclocking, and they promote it on just about every GPU they sell, I'm 100% sure they wouldn't turn down an RMA as long as the card wasn't modified or damaged in any way.

I worded it wrong. I clarified in an edit in my post. If your GPU fries and you say that you overclocked, you are not going to have a warranty no matter what the actual cause is. (Lightning is an exception though.)

[Notional]

Probably everything.

 

In other words nothing you have any proof of? Other companies, and even NVidia themselves, have verified his statements on GameWorks.

[Guest Kloaked]

In other words nothing you have any proof of? Other companies, and even NVidia themselves, have verified his statements on GameWorks.

Are you a fan of Richard Huddy or something? No one has confirmed anything he's said.