Pet peeves when it comes to people building PCs

[DrtyDiesel]

It's my peeve when people only spend a couple thousand dollars on a PC, and don't upgrade for years!

I can't help but upgrade about every year. Then completely build a new PC every two years. I get tired of looking at the same case for too long lol

[MEC-777]

It's my peeve when people only spend a couple thousand dollars on a PC, and don't upgrade for years!

 

If you're spending a couple thousand dollars on a PC, it shouldn't need any upgrades for years! 

 

Example: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/26VWsY

[Venom_X]

If you're spending a couple thousand dollars on a PC, it shouldn't need any upgrades for years!

Example: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/26VWsY

Ok, sorry[emoji20]upgrade every 6 months[emoji1]

[MEC-777]

Ok, sorry[emoji20]upgrade every 6 months[emoji1]

 

People who spend a couple thousand on a build and then still upgrade every 6 months, or don't upgrade every 6 months?

[DrtyDiesel]

Upgrading mainly depends on if your setup changes and if games become more demanding at the same resolution you're playing at.

Let's just get this out of the way, there is no such thing as future proofing. Again, no such thing as FUTURE PROOFING.

So with that said, let's say you spend a good amount on a core i7 4790k and gtx 980 ti. You play at 1080p 144hz with everything turned up to the Max.

You can probably play with that for 3 years or maybe more, until games become more and more demanding as far as gpu power and vram utilization goes.

With that same system at 1440p, you'd probably need to upgrade to a second 980 ti in a year or so if you want to play everything to MAX and be able to run a 1440p 144hz.

Which is why I usually upgrade my GPU or CPU within a year and then start all over and build a whole new system every two years.

Edit: I will say, it just bothers me when people talk about playing games maxed out and will buy an i7 with 980 ti's in SLI for 1440p gaming and talk about not having to upgrade for 10 years. Since with the fast paced advancements in tech, in 10 years 980 ti's in SLI may be ancient history.

[TheCaptain53]

1. When people suggest Z97 ASUS RoG boards to people who need a board to work, overclock and be stable.
There is absolutely no need. That board is so overkill and doesn't actually benefit most people all that much, certainly not enough to justify its significant premium.

2. When people build stupidly overkill systems so they "don't have to upgrade for 3+ years".
Umm, no, get a slightly cheaper part, upgrade in a year and sell the old component (prime example: GTX 970 vs GTX 980). Secondhand PC components (especially graphics cards) still sell for a fair amount. Spend an amount based on your needs now and in the near future.

EDIT: 3. When people want to build an X99 system for purely gaming.
NO. STOP IT. SIT DOWN.

[Ceatra]

300€ is like $600cad man lol you could build an ALRIGHT tower for that but not have a monitor or anything lol.

Apple fiends are like that though, its the same with iPhone users vs Samsung users and kind of the same concept as console vs PC, there is winning arguments on both sides.

Yea, but import taxes in portugal are (actually whole Europe) very high...

[MEC-777]

Upgrading mainly depends on if your setup changes and if games become more demanding at the same resolution you're playing at.

Let's just get this out of the way, there is no such thing as future proofing. Again, no such thing as FUTURE PROOFING.

So with that said, let's say you spend a good amount on a core i7 4790k and gtx 980 ti. You play at 1080p 144hz with everything turned up to the Max.

You can probably play with that for 3 years or maybe more, until games become more and more demanding as far as gpu power and vram utilization goes.

With that same system at 1440p, you'd probably need to upgrade to a second 980 ti in a year or so if you want to play everything to MAX and be able to run a 1440p 144hz.

Which is why I usually upgrade my GPU or CPU within a year and then start all over and build a whole new system every two years.

 

Depends on personal preference too. Friend of mine was using a GTX 680 for the last 3 years up until a couple months ago when he just upgraded to a 980Ti. Another friend of mine is still using a GTX 670.

 

I, on the other hand, was using a 7950 for a bout a year before I upgraded to an R9 290. I'll probably stick with the 290 until next year when AMD and Nvidia drop their next-gen cards and upgrade then. 

 

Some people like to build a (rather expensive) system and use it as-is for as long as they can, then build a whole new system to replace it. While others like upgrading components over time, so they their system is always more or less "up-to-date" at any given time. I tend to be more of the latter because I love tinkering, tweaking and building things.  

[RobTapps]

People who build / think solely for / about gaming..

[MEC-777]

1. When people suggest Z97 ASUS RoG boards to people who need a board to work, overclock and be stable.

There is absolutely no need. That board is so overkill and doesn't actually benefit most people all that much, certainly not enough to justify its significant premium.

2. When people build stupidly overkill systems so they "don't have to upgrade for 3+ years".

Umm, no, get a slightly cheaper part, upgrade in a year and sell the old component (prime example: GTX 970 vs GTX 980). Secondhand PC components (especially graphics cards) still sell for a fair amount. Spend an amount based on your needs now and in the near future.

EDIT: 3. When people want to build an X99 system for purely gaming.

NO. STOP IT. SIT DOWN.

 

Agree with everything except building an overkill system to last several years. There's nothing wrong with that. I have a few friends that go by that preference and have done so for a long time. If they have the budget and it's what they want to do, then it's not stupid at all. It's just their preference.

[DrtyDiesel]

Depends on personal preference too. Friend of mine was using a GTX 680 for the last 3 years up until a couple months ago when he just upgraded to a 980Ti. Another friend of mine is still using a GTX 670.

I, on the other hand, was using a 7950 for a bout a year before I upgraded to an R9 290. I'll probably stick with the 290 until next year when AMD and Nvidia drop their next-gen cards and upgrade then.

Some people like to build a (rather expensive) system and use it as-is for as long as they can, then build a whole new system to replace it. While others like upgrading components over time, so they their system is always more or less "up-to-date" at any given time. I tend to be more of the latter because I love tinkering, tweaking and building things.

I agree with you there. I just love the feeling and excitement of building a new PC from the ground up. So I usually upgrade every year or so then start all over after two years. Lol.

[DrtyDiesel]

Agree with everything except building an overkill system to last several years. There's nothing wrong with that. I have a few friends that go by that preference and have done so for a long time. If they have the budget and it's what they want to do, then it's not stupid at all. It's just their preference.

I'd rather have it and not need it, instead of needing it and not having it.

[MEC-777]

People who build / think solely for / about gaming..

 

You mean like when people come here asking for help with a build for a general-use PC for their grandparents and people start suggesting gaming builds? Yeah, I hate that too.

[TheCaptain53]

Agree with everything except building an overkill system to last several years. There's nothing wrong with that. I have a few friends that go by that preference and have done so for a long time. If they have the budget and it's what they want to do, then it's not stupid at all. It's just their preference.

I'm all about getting the most for your money, so building overkill systems is where the value of the PC starts dropping off. You could build a slightly less powerful PC, save a whole bunch of money, and just sell off your bits in a year when you upgrade.

However, this is my view, and some people don't view it the same, which is absolutely fair enough.

[MEC-777]

I'd rather have it and not need it, instead of needing it and not having it.

 

Indeed, but as long as you can afford it.

[RobTapps]

You mean like when people come here asking for help with a build for a general-use PC for their grandparents and people start suggesting gaming builds? Yeah, I hate that too.

More like Work load related builds and people suggest titans and shit lol

[Prysin]

My pet peeve would be people who try to shove a product that costs twice as much for 30% more performance onto somebody that only asked for a PC to play minesweeper and make Excel documents

[Textosterone]

u even left the f****** cap on the SLI port.

[MEC-777]

I'm all about getting the most for your money, so building overkill systems is where the value of the PC starts dropping off. You could build a slightly less powerful PC, save a whole bunch of money, and just sell off your bits in a year when you upgrade.

However, this is my view, and some people don't view it the same, which is absolutely fair enough.

 

Yeah, I get what you're saying. My friends tend to keep all their old hardware when ever they do build a new system, so selling old parts to get their money back isn't a factor. If you nickle and dime it all out by buying a beast system out-right or upgrading a less powerful system over time, you can easily spend more upgrading over time if you never sell your old parts. But, everyone's situation is different and everyone has different preferences. 

 

I totally get what you're saying with regard's to going with less-expensive parts where necessary. Case in point; both of my friends I've mentioned here have K series CPUs on Z series boards (3570K on a $200+ Asus Z77 and a 3770K also on an Asus Z77) and neither of them want to overclock! They could have easily saved $150+ and still had the same performance with the non-K CPUs and B or H series board instead.

 

Recently I upgraded to a Z97 board because I wanted several specific features (SLI, overclocking capability and fan control), but I didn't spend more than I needed to to get the features I wanted. Could have spent $200+ on a Rampage, but why? I got everything I wanted with the Asus Z97-E for only $120! And even though I have a non-K CPU (i5-4570 carried over from the ITX build) I still overclocked it! Lol  

 

3 years ago when my one friend built his 3570k system with the GTX 680, it came to about $1700+. A year later I built my first dedicated gaming PC - a mini-ITX build with the i5-4570 and a 7950 that cost about $900 total at the time which could slightly out-perform his PC, but for nearly half the price (and size)! lol Now, after recent upgrades, my system is up to almost $1500, all-in. And until he upgraded to the 980Ti 2 months ago, my system destroyed his in gaming (R9 290 vs 680) and still cost less in the end than his. Not only that, but I've managed to make my system look way better as well (color-matched components, cables, white LED's etc.). Proof that you also don't have to have a super-expensive system to have a good-looking system that you can take pride in. (His sits under his desk collecting dust with horrible cable management...).

 

So yeah, I'm an advocate of upgrading over time and I agree with you in that I go for performance and value per dollar above all else. You don't necessarily have to spend a lot, but rather just spend wisely.  

[Guest]

please note, the following is from an email I sent to tech-vets.

 

But here is the second part to my problem: 

 

My Friend: "Zach, which gaming computer company do you recommend"

 

Me: "I can't recommend any computer company to."

 

My Friend: "Why not?!"

 

Me: "Well, they don't care what you need.  They just want your money."

 

My Friend: "Alright what should I do then?"

 

Me: "Write down all the tasks you want to complete. Write down all games you want to play, and at what settings. And then right down your budget. And finally, give it to me."

 

My Friend: "That takes too much time."

 

Me: "I'm warning you, if you want to get what you want, you have to take my advice."

 

My Friend: "Nah, you don't know what you're are talking about. See you later."

 

======================A COUPLE MONTHS LATER===================

 

My Friend: "Zach! You ripped me off! The computer I bought doesn't play the games I want to play well enough!"

 

Me: "I didn't recommend anything to you. Its your fault."

 

My Friend: "No its not! You are my computer guy!"

 

Me: "Fine, what do you want me to do?"

 

My Friend: "Make it run the games better!"

 

Me: "Fine, I'll take a look."

 

==========================A FEW DAYS LATER=====================

 

Me: "Alright now, right now write down the games you want to play at what settings. And your budget"
 

My Friend: "Its too much work."

 

Me: "DO YOU WANT YOUR GAMES TO PLAY THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO?"

 

My Friend: "Yeah, fine."

 

============================THE NEXT DAY========================

 

Me: "After looking over your budget, as well as your system, I can sell you an Intel Core i5 4460, and a EVGA GTX 960 4GB."

 

My Friend: "Alright, how much?"

 

Me: "$500, Tax & Labor included."

 

My Friend: "Thats more than the computer cost!"

 

Me: "And that is why you need the upgrade. You cheaped out, and didn't take my recommendation. Therefor, you need to pay the price that adds up to the price of a decent gaming computer."

 

My Friend: "Too expensive."

 

====================AND THE CYCLE CONTINUES====================

[TheCaptain53]

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Great minds think alike.

[RobTapps]

This isn't related to building pc's but it is an argument I have on a weekly basis with a friend of mine.. Pease every one message him and tell him PC out preforms consoles..

[Dabombinable]

This isn't related to building pc's but it is an argument I have on a weekly basis with a friend of mine.. Pease every one message him and tell him PC out preforms consoles..

I can tell him he has no fucking clue as to building a PC that can actually play games at above potato settings.....

[RobTapps]

I can tell him he has no fucking clue as to building a PC that can actually play games at above potato settings.....

You really should ha-ha I would love if he got a bunch of messages telling him he's an idiot.. Kid is so stubborn about everything lol

[RobTapps]

Bout sums consoles up..