AMD - A New Era In PC Gaming

[Notional]

Fiji made in korea?? means no TSMC?

 

Samsung confirmed? 

 

HBM is made by SK Hynix. You get one guess, what SK stands for

 

Probably just the gpu package, that is assembled in Korea, with the memory. It has nothing to do with Samsung.

[Opcode]

Fiji made in korea?? means no TSMC?

 

Samsung confirmed? 

Something tells me SK Hynix is responsible for the package, the die was diffused elsewhere. Much like Carrizo is diffused in Germany (GloFo) but made in Malaysia.

[Sam Z Man]

So dual Fiji is definitely a thing, Lisa presented it during the PC Gaming Show. The very same card that's inside of their tiny gaming box.

 

I never watched the whole thing and seeing this picture made me think this, AMD's CEO looks like a bald Asian man with glasses, wearing a cheap wig, a U-neck shirt with a woman's jacket, and some mail polish. Just my first reaction to seeing a picture of who runs the company.

[MoonSpot]

Gawd damint.  Who's thumbprint it on my internet porn?

 

Any idea how the thermal paste is going to work on these?  I don't want to assume that a smushed bead is going to cut it.

[Opcode]

Gawd damint.  Who's thumbprint it on my internet porn?

 

Any idea how the thermal paste is going to work on these?  I don't want to assume that a smushed bead is going to cut it.

It will be done by machine in the assembly line so whatever method works for them I guess. During the conference they did throw the number 50C out there which I believe is load temps. Which makes sense as the R9 290X gets about that with a Kraken X40 and G10. The cooling unit on Fury X is rated for 500w.

[stconquest]

It's funny, I am actually experiencing a feeling of relief.  These numbers look really good, and the price is bang on.  I think the relief stems from a built up feelings of sadness that AMD's new GPUs would miss the mark, and become irrelevant. 

 

I like this release so far. 

[Opcode]

Fury X vs R9 290X

 

[Humbug]

It's funny, I am actually experiencing a feeling of relief.  These numbers look really good, and the price is bang on.  I think the relief stems from a built up feelings of sadness that AMD's new GPUs would miss the mark, and become irrelevant.

There really wasn't much reason to doubt AMD's GPUs considering the quality of their last few high end releases over many years. When they release a new flagship it generally performs well.

 

People have plenty of good reason to bash on AMD CPUs where they have been lagging for years. But on GPUs their new architectures rarely miss the mark.

[stconquest]

There really wasn't much reason to doubt AMD's GPUs considering the quality of their last few high end releases over many years. When they release a new flagship it generally performs well.

 

People have plenty of good reason to bash on AMD CPUs where they have been lagging for years. But on GPUs their new architectures rarely miss the mark.

 

You make a good point... but like I said, these were just feelings (I don't even know why).  I was not sure that the Fury would match the GM200 GPUs, and I am still waiting for the retail level cards to be available to tech reviewers.

 

So far the Fury crutch (as mentioned earlier) seems to be the 4GB of VRAM, even though it is high bandwidth.

[MoonSpot]

It will be done by machine in the assembly line so whatever method works for them I guess. During the conference they did throw the number 50C out there which I believe is load temps. Which makes sense as the R9 290X gets about that with a Kraken X40 and G10. The cooling unit on Fury X is rated for 500w.

 

Sorry, I should have been clearer.  If a user takes their card apart and wants to reapply paste, i was thinking that there would need to be some special attention paid to the, what i assume is, the HBM modules a top and below the chip.

[xewp]

For someone whos planning to custom water cool some fury cards (assuming water blocks get made for them) am I better off waiting for the Fury as it's cheaper? 

Is there any information on the difference between the Fury and Fury X? What what I gather ones just AIO water cooled and ones air cooled?

 

apologies if this has been answered, too many pages to skim through

[Opcode]

R9 Nano is confirmed to be 175w.

 

 

Sorry, I should have been clearer.  If a user takes their card apart and wants to reapply paste, i was thinking that there would need to be some special attention paid to the, what i assume is, the HBM modules a top and below the chip.

From my understanding they are intended to make some sort of contact with the cooling unit even if it's through a thick layer of paste. If there is a gap in between the HBM stacks and the actual GPU die itself then I would personally use the pea method on all five points. Which means a big dot in the middle for the GPU and small dots on the HBM stacks. Kind of treating them like they were small GPUs as well. The gap between the HBM stacks and GPU die should be enough to channel any little bit of runoff. That's just personally how I would do it. Although Fiji is going to require custom mounting solutions as the GPU package is so massive in size. So you're going to be out of options for alternative cooling leading most people to just leave the GPU alone with its factory cooling. I'm sure we will see a waterblock for it for custom loops but I think a lot of people are just going to gravitate to the Fury X as it makes up the same difference as it costs for a decent waterblock.

 

For someone whos planning to custom water cool some fury cards (assuming water blocks get made for them) am I better off waiting for the Fury as it's cheaper? 

Is there any information on the difference between the Fury and Fury X? What what I gather ones just AIO water cooled and ones air cooled?

 

apologies if this has been answered, too many pages to skim through

It's not clear if Fury will be a cut down Fiji or not. From what we can speculate based on the conference it doesn't seem like it is.

[Noctus]

Perfect time for me to upgrade, guess i can start saving for xmas

[Humbug]

 

R9 Nano is confirmed to be 175w.

 

 

That's great. 270x power consumption and better than 290x performance.

 

Do you think AMD will ever cut down Fiji to fill out the lower range? Or is it too expensive to manufacture?

[Albatross]

When will they release/announce the price of the Nano? Looks really interesting!

[BestBOTEU]

most likely wont upgrade from my 260x because of lack of money and need for more performance but amd really did deliver with their new series. i see the nano selling very well, compact, probably wont be hot cause of low power consumption and has a very good performance for such a compact card, if this card would be around 140-160$ i see it doing good, definitely a good card for LAN PCs for csgo, dota 2, lol and so on for the not very demanding games, and for people who just want a compact pc. 

edit: i heard that the nano has half the performance of the 290x but some people say its faster than the 290x, any source? im getting confused.

[Opcode]

That's great. 270x power consumption and better than 290x performance.

 

Do you think AMD will ever cut down Fiji to fill out the lower range? Or is it too expensive to manufacture?

Too expensive and I don't see yields being that bad to where AMD has to salvage thousands of dysfunctional Fiji chips to make $250 GPUs out of them. I mean they have done it before using one big chip and cutting it down to make multiple GPUs (HD 5870, 5850, 5830). Although I think that's just because the yields for that particular GPU wasn't so great. AMD probably throws away only a handful of chips that just didn't make the cut these days after binning for a cut down variant of the chip. However what you see with Fiji right now is where all graphics cards are heading. In a couple of years if another memory technology doesn't take over with a better implementation then you'll be seeing GTX 980/970 and R9 290X/290 grade hardware for that generation with HBM and stuff like that.

 

most likely wont upgrade from my 260x because of lack of money and need for more performance but amd really did deliver with their new series. i see the nano selling very well, compact, probably wont be hot cause of low power consumption and has a very good performance for such a compact card, if this card would be around 140-160$ i see it doing good, definitely a good card for LAN PCs for csgo, dota 2, lol and so on for the not very demanding games, and for people who just want a compact pc. 

edit: i heard that the nano has half the performance of the 290x but some people say its faster than the 290x, any source? im getting confused.

We currently don't know how many CUs the R9 Nano has.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

I'm wondering if those rad fans are Silencio fans.

 

They seem to be using high rpm Gentle Typhoon Fans

 

 

[MEC-777]

Gawd damint.  Who's thumbprint it on my internet porn?

 

Any idea how the thermal paste is going to work on these?  I don't want to assume that a smushed bead is going to cut it.

 

You shouldn't use the bead method for applying TIM on GPUs. Reason being; it's a bare die, not a die with a cap like CPUs. They way you should apply TIM to GPUs is by spreading as thin a layer over the whole die as possible. Start with a tiny bead in the center and using a card, start spreading it out thin over the die until it's uniformly covered. Again, keep it very thin. It's only there to fill in the tiny imperfections on the surface of the materials for a more comprehensive contact. 

 

In the case of Fiji, I would do the same, but also cover the HBM dies with a very thin layer of TIM as well. 

 

The reason I suggest not to use the bead method on GPUs is because if you don't quite use enough, it may not actually cover the whole die meaning some of the die will not be in proper direct contact with the cooler. I've seen this a few times in person. The best results I've seen have been with the spreading a thin layer method. 

 

...and here comes the mob.

 

most likely wont upgrade from my 260x because of lack of money and need for more performance but amd really did deliver with their new series. i see the nano selling very well, compact, probably wont be hot cause of low power consumption and has a very good performance for such a compact card, if this card would be around 140-160$ i see it doing good, definitely a good card for LAN PCs for csgo, dota 2, lol and so on for the not very demanding games, and for people who just want a compact pc. 

edit: i heard that the nano has half the performance of the 290x but some people say its faster than the 290x, any source? im getting confused.

 

The R9 Nano won't be anywhere near that cheap. It's performance will sit between the 390x and Fury, so I'm guessing somewhere around $500 +/-.

 

It is claimed to be "significantly faster than a 290x" - Lisa Su, but with half the power consumption (175w TDP). 

[Humbug]

It is claimed to be "significantly faster than a 290x" - Lisa Su, but with half the power consumption (175w TDP). 

*Twice the performance per watt of the 290x.

I am expecting 980 performance levels from the nano, similar power consumption too.

[Brainless906]

*Twice the performance per watt of the 290x.

I am expecting 980 performance levels from the nano, similar power consumption too.

 

[Virgule]

I never watched the whole thing and seeing this picture made me think this, AMD's CEO looks like a bald Asian man with glasses, wearing a cheap wig, a U-neck shirt with a woman's jacket, and some mail polish. Just my first reaction to seeing a picture of who runs the company.

Is that Day9 ????

[nicon]

I know this is going to sound stupid. I've been out of the loop. What is the difference between the 390x and the Fury series (other than watercooling)

[dalekphalm]

I know this is going to sound stupid. I've been out of the loop. What is the difference between the 390x and the Fury series (other than watercooling)

Short answer? Everything.

 

The 390/x series GPU's are "Grenada" cores. Which are either:

1. Fully rebranded Hawaii cores, OR

2. Tweaked/upgraded Hawaii cores.

 

We're not sure which yet - but almost everything is pointing to the 390 series being mostly a tweaked variant of the 290 series.

 

Fury, on the other hand, is using the new "Fiji" cores. Totally, 100% new GPU's. They're also like 1.5+ times as fast as the 390x.

[nicon]

Short answer? Everything.

The 390/x series GPU's are "Grenada" cores. Which are either:

1. Fully rebranded Hawaii cores, OR

2. Tweaked/upgraded Hawaii cores.

We're not sure which yet - but almost everything is pointing to the 390 series being mostly a tweaked variant of the 290 series.

Fury, on the other hand, is using the new "Fiji" cores. Totally, 100% new GPU's. They're also like 1.5+ times as fast as the 390x.

OK. Thanks. Amd always used to recycle their top card and rebrand it as their second-best card (7970 - > 280x) I thought that's what they would do this time (Fiji would become 390x and 290x would become 380x)

I see now. Thanks.