Thought I might try out AMD , what CPU to buy ?

[sgloux3470]

Because NO ONE PUTS A BETTER GPU IN A SYSTEM EVER...

 

Chances are the guy who is still using a five year old GPU  and looking to buy a sub $150 CPU isn't going to upgrade to a high end GPU.  

 

The point is, answer the question the OP is asking and not having a stroke and holding down ctrl + v in every thread.

[i_build_nanosuits]

evidence and benchmarks that are relevant to absolutely nothing

sure the op mentionned he want to play dying light so i provide dying light results.

 

It's obvious that Dying Light has serious variance in framerate and GPU utilization because it has CPU issues on everything.  Just look at the horrible minimum framerates.  All it would take is looking at the sky slightly longer on the i3 to make the average framerate higher.

 

Canned benchmarks are the only way to do this properly.  Even then they're often plagued with loading dips and absolute minimum framerates (which are always low... because loading..)  The only benchmark utility that I've seen do it properly was Bioshock Infinite.

huh?! i think you missed my video, here it is again, i show my settings they are very high and there's is absolutely ZERO cpu limitation in that game as far as i'm concerned and it run's at 75FPS+ (MOSTLY AROUND 100FPS) across the board...watch it again:

Now go ahead, please prove me wrong...set it to 720P on YOUR system and record a video where your FX chip can push 70FPS+ consistently...GO AHEAD!

[Aniallation]

Education. It's nice to have. The whole AMD VS Intel debate came up since the OP listed the 8350 as one of his choices. If he can get a better processor for his intended use that happens to be Intel, why not?

Because again, we don't know what they have. Every PC they've owned since the Athlon 64 could be Intel for all we know. They've asked for AMD, not a brand war.

[SkilledRebuilds]

How do you know OP doesn't have a main system with 5960X and quad-SLI 980s? You don't, and neither do I. However instead of starting another shitstorm of AMD vs Intel, there's something more productive called answer the question OP asked.

Your right, I don't know,... but why speculate on the unknown dude... thats stupid too.

Disregard that he might,. imagine he doesn't... go from there, it's not like he says he HAS a epic gaming machine so all this IS relevant.

[Aniallation]

sure the op mentionned he want to play dying light so i provide dying light results.

huh?! i think you missed my video, here it is again, i show my settings they are very high and there's is absolutely ZERO cpu limitation in that game as far as i'm concerned and it run's at 75FPS+ across the board...watch it again:

Now go ahead, please prove me wrong...set it to 720P on YOUR system and record a video where your FX chip can push 70FPS+ consistently...GO AHEAD!

 

I swear to god

 

​YOU PEOPLE CAN'T THINK FOR YOURSELVES

 

STOP PROVIDING AMD VS INTEL EVIDENCE BECAUSE IT'S USELESS IN THIS THREAD!!!

 

The evidence is true, I won't deny that, but it's doing nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, to answer OP's question, which was the whole point of this thread in the first place.

[SkilledRebuilds]

Chances are the guy who is still using a five year old GPU  and looking to buy a sub $150 CPU isn't going to upgrade to a high end GPU.  

 

The point is, answer the question the OP is asking and not having a stroke and holding down ctrl + v in every thread.

Chances..chances you say....... now your just guessing. VERY FACTUAL.

Ctrl+V, where did I do that? Your not making any sense mate... I didn't do anything of the sort.. I'm not having any issues, ie: the stroke you think I'm having... your funny.

The OP has a question, doesn't mean he shouldn't get relevant information! He wants the most performance for his dollar..we all do. THATS THE POINT OF ALL THINGS SAID.

[Aniallation]

Ctrl+V, where did I do that? Your not making any sense mate... 

I'm pretty sure what he means is the constant re-use of the same evidence in every Intel vs AMD thread, which I do have to agree on

[RazerZ]

You guys clearly came in here trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Just stop. Please.

[i_build_nanosuits]

I swear to god

 

​YOU PEOPLE CAN'T THINK FOR YOURSELVES

 

STOP PROVIDING AMD VS INTEL EVIDENCE BECAUSE IT'S USELESS IN THIS THREAD!!!

 

The evidence is true, I won't deny that, but it's doing nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, to answer OP's question, which was the whole point of this thread in the first place.

stop acting like if you're the big guy son.

ATHLON 860K IF YOU WANT TO GO AMD OP...there you go, thread answered, case closed.

[Clyne]

DID NOBODY READ THE OP?!

 

Stop with the god damn Intel vs AMD war. Chances are OP isn't running their 1.3GHz Athlon 64 with the GTX 570. They want an AMD CPU for a reason, possibly as a secondary rig to see what their new chips are like. How do you know that OP hasn't had ten Intel PCs since his Athlon 64?

This is probably the only reason why i come back and would post this......

People read.......guy wants AMD. So let him get AMD, we're here to make recommendations, not decisions for him. It's all based on what the OP wants, not you forcing the OP to get some CPU that you like. It's his money, we don't have control over that.

So best AMD cpu? FX 8320  Best AMD CPU for it's value? Athlon X4 860K

And people, don't you dare show the video where Austins Evans shows the performance between the G3258 and 860K. Not every G3258 can reach 4.5GHZ.

Man, these are one of the reasons why i left LTT.

[SkilledRebuilds]

I'm pretty sure what he means is the constant re-use of the same evidence in every Intel vs AMD thread, which I do have to agree on

Yet he stated I did this... by saying that when quoting ME., You can agree all you want, thats fine..,.. the evidence is there, that wall of text also got people like YOU AND ME providing insight on their results,.. not just review sites.. Couldn't get any more straight forward.

 

If the OP wants AMD,.. he obviously likes not having the most performance for his dollar...

 

 

 

Main point now...Of all the things you can buy with hard earned cash, why not get the best for your dollar.? Why limit yourself, especially when given examples of a better experience.

[D3MON]

This is because when people benchmark this stuff, they have very shitty methodology.

 

It's obvious that Dying Light has serious variance in framerate and GPU utilization because it has CPU issues on everything.  Just look at the horrible minimum framerates.  All it would take is looking at the sky slightly longer on the i3 to make the average framerate higher.

 

Canned benchmarks are the only way to do this properly.  Even then they're often plagued with loading dips and absolute minimum framerates (which are always low... because loading..)  The only benchmark utility that I've seen do it properly was Bioshock Infinite. 

actually i looked through the framerate timings on the infinate runs back when i was benchmarking it last year wondering why the lows reported were never seen.

turns out the canned benchmark does record a few frames in between scenes which gives false values, also comparing it to real run throughs (the one slick did, ive probably done it over 100 times im so sick of it!) the canned benchmark is actually a bit higher than gameplay for instance if you get 66 on the canned run you might actually get 50 in gameplay also of note where slick selected his test run was very good because the average variation between runs was often under 1fps difference and was very much a case of realistic gameplay. (which zipping along the overhead lines wouldnt be for instance)

and while im being called a fanboy i have a g3258 (dissapointed but oh well makes for a nice itx pc) and want a 5820k (1200 in cinebench? yes please), and i dont recommend the athlon 860k....though not for any perticular reason, i guess i just like l3 cache coming from phenoms. (and 4mb in my q6600's and 12mb in the qx9650 im getting )

[Aniallation]

stop acting like if you're the big guy son.

The "big guy" has nothing to do with the fact that you're just spitting out irrelevant information. Don't call me son until you're as wise as my father to put good knowledge and information to somewhere that it will be of benefit rather then putting it to waste for nonsense purposes.

 

Athlon 860K when budget allows for FX6/8... http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/333712-directx-12-will-unlock-the-performance-of-your-cpu/

[Aniallation]

And people, don't you dare show the video where Austins Evans shows the performance between the G3258 and 860K. Not every G3258 can reach 4.5GHZ.

That video is now the reason I absolutely hate Austin Evans I s2g

[i_build_nanosuits]

actually i looked through the framerate timings on the infinate runs back when i was benchmarking it last year wondering why the lows reported were never seen.

turns out the canned benchmark does record a few frames in between scenes which gives false values, also comparing it to real run throughs (the one slick did, ive probably done it over 100 times im so sick of it!) the canned benchmark is actually a bit higher than gameplay for instance if you get 66 on the canned run you might actually get 50 in gameplay also of note where slick selected his test run was very good because the average variation between runs was often under 1fps difference and was very much a case of realistic gameplay. (which zipping along the overhead lines wouldnt be for instance)

you've ignored the live gameplay feeds that i've linked for you to watch along with the video i made?

...like you always do

[SkilledRebuilds]

irrelevant information.

How is more performance and a better experience for your dollar irrelevant?

[i_build_nanosuits]

Athlon 860K when budget allows for FX6/8... http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/333712-directx-12-will-unlock-the-performance-of-your-cpu/

LOL come on i'm sure EVEN YOU can realise that this is AMD non-sense SPIT to keep selling the horrible FX line to poor users.

[Clyne]

Yet he stated I did this... by saying that when quoting ME., You can agree all you want, thats fine..,.. the evidence is there, that wall of text also got people like YOU AND ME providing insight on their results,.. not just review sites.. Couldn't get any more straight forward.

 

If the OP wants AMD,.. he obviously likes not having the most performance for his dollar...

 

 

 

Main point now...Of all the things you can buy with hard earned cash, why not get the best for your dollar.? Why limit yourself, especially when given examples of a better experience.

It's OP's money, he's making the decisions, we're just making recommendations....

[RazerZ]

Now let's leave it at that till the OP replies.

[D3MON]

Both are 3.5Ghz CPU's when loaded (I know the Sandy has Turbo, but under load it drops), architectural differences would have the Haswell IPC better than Sandy Bridge-E's IPC.

I know the SB-E CPU has more cores,.. the game doesn't use them. Comes down to frequency and IPC again..

yep i thought of that and concur, doesnt explain the fact a 4.7ghz fx8 was only 2fps faster than a 3.8ghz fx4 or that a 4770k beat a 4670k by over 10% with only a 3% clock speed difference, and a 5960x at a measly 3ghz decimated the 4770k.. it just doesnt make sense and allot of benchmarks from that source rarely do and they enver tally with the same benchmarks from other sources.

im just clarifying whats there im not denying your point, maybe that game loves quick access l3 cache is the only thing i can think of.

[SkilledRebuilds]

you've ignored the live gameplay feeds that i've linked for you to watch along with the video i made?

...like you always do

It's pretty much night and day difference.. but who'd wanna be proven wrong these days and admit it.

 

 

Now let's leave it at that till the OP replies.

[Aniallation]

How is more performance and a better experience for your dollar irrelevant?

If you needed a truck for some reason that's none of my business, would you appreciate me constantly telling you to get a sports car because it's more performance and a better experience for your dollar?

[airdeano]

goodness, all this "extra large" font size, is it necessary (CAPLOCK much)?

 

seems anybody asking about a CPU is going to get both sides of the fence

rammed down their throat (which is why these threads are toxic almost turning

into the audio forum) regardless. so this civil (hardly) discussion blows up into

a raging shouting match to convince others of their opinion. good read for the

first two pages and then hell-in-a-handbasket.

 

lets just make this about what options are available and what price-point to let

the OP make their decision off of and turn bicker-mode off. please.

[SkilledRebuilds]

If you needed a truck for some reason that's none of my business, would you appreciate me constantly telling you to get a sports car because it's more performance and a better experience for your dollar?

Thats also a silly comparison, thats like saying I need a truck, I'll buy an airplane instead.

 

You'd buy the best truck for your dollar if you needed a truck.

He wants a PC, why not buy the best PC for your dollar.

[Unlikelyjoker]

Holy f*ck 5 pages of hate.

If the OP wants AMD let the bloody man have AMD. Stop running a mans life, people that say this make me sick and make people leave the god damn forums.

Also i think the OP should go for the 8350