Posted March 6, 2015 So I watched the wan show on Youtube about the new materials for Intel's future plans for the 7 nm process. So I talked to my source who works over at the Honeywell factory in Spokane Washington, and I told him about the possibilities of III-V(indium-gallium-arsenide), Graphene, and carbon nano-tubes possibly being candidates for the new materials in Intel's processors instead of silicon. Then earlier today they told me that there was a huge worldwide Honeywell meeting being broadcast live to all of the Honeywell people and they talked about issues on this and that. Then they asked "Does anyone have any questions," but because the people talking were real big shots everyone was silent. So my source decided to stand up and ask "I have a question" to the whole world of Honeywell people. And they asked "So what are we going to do when we can't use silicon anymore, and need to start manufacturing new materials like indium-gallium-arsenide". the big shot guy said "That is a very good question." he continued "You're talking about Intel's new 7 nm process aren't you?" my source replied "I am indeed". Then big-shot guy said "I will be pleased to tell you that Intel will be working with with Honeywell to manufacture these new materials to make their 7nm processors". So the short of it is Intel is already working towards manufacturing these new 7 nm processors with Honeywell. Personally, I'm stoked about the new possibilities for new materials in future technologies. This is super cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Graphene. Always Graphene. Sound: Custom one pros, Audioengine A5+ with S8 sub. K70 RGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 1st. Indium Gallium Arsenide "Instinct or Rationality; Which will you choose? Enchanted by a superiority complex" "what you do in spite of internet speed is inspiring. :3" From Cae - 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Author I agree, Graphene seems to be the most interesting material in my mind. Although I don't know much about III-V materials. I should do some research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 from what I know of graphene, the lattice is self-repairing from neighboring free carbon, which could prove problematic in the real world, but I don't think silicon will hold out much longer. Carbon nanotubes are made of graphene rolled at a particular angle, so my conclusion is InGaAs will provide some of the answers we need. from the wikipedia page on InGaAs, HEMT devices using InGaAs channels are one of the fastest types of transistor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indium_gallium_arsenide#Transistors it looks like InGaAs might once again allow us to push our clocks higher as we haven't in so long edit: but we're not there yet, the smallest transistor we have from InGaAs is a 22nm MOSFET. it's the smallest thing they've done without silicon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 I default to those more knowledgeable than I on these matters. @LukaP is far more educated on this than I. CPU: i9-13900k MOBO: Asus Strix Z790-E RAM: 64GB GSkill CPU Cooler: Corsair H170i GPU: Asus Strix RTX-4090 Case: Fractal Torrent PSU: Corsair HX-1000i Storage: 2TB Samsung 990 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Author I understand your point and I agree. III-V (indium-gallium-arsenide) does seem the most promising, I'm just a Graphene fanboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Author from what I know of graphene, the lattice is self-repairing from neighboring free carbon, which could prove problematic in the real world, but I don't think silicon will hold out much longer. Carbon nanotubes are made of graphene rolled at a particular angle, so my conclusion is InGaAs will provide some of the answers we need. from the wikipedia page on InGaAs, HEMT devices using InGaAs channels are one of the fastest types of transistor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indium_gallium_arsenide#Transistors it looks like InGaAs might once again allow us to push our clocks higher as we haven't in so long edit: but we're not there yet, the smallest transistor we have from InGaAs is a 22nm MOSFET. it's the smallest thing they've done without silicon. I agree that III-V is probably a better solution. I'm really just a graphene fanboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 We already knew they were looking for new materials. Also, @Tylandord, you really shouldn't reveal how these details got leaked to you, because they are almost certainly confidential information. I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use, and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them. - Galileo GalileiBuild Logs: Tophat (in progress), DNAF | Useful Links: How To: Choosing Your Storage Devices and Configuration, Case Study: RAID Tolerance to Failure, Reducing Single Points of Failure in Redundant Storage , Why Choose an SSD?, ZFS From A to Z (Eric1024), Advanced RAID: Survival Rates, Flashing LSI RAID Cards (alpenwasser), SAN and Storage Networking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 I agree that III-V is probably a better solution. I'm really just a graphene fanboy. Graphene fanboy. LOL. That exists... Cpu:i5-4690k Gpu:r9 280x with some other things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 -snip- Graphene, material to have the least impact on health and isn't a potent toxin to humans...think of the lives you could save by going with graphene instead of an arsenic-based alloy Gaming PC: Case: NZXT Phantom 820 Black | PSU: XFX 750w PRO Black Edition 80Plus Gold (Platinum) | CPU: Intel Core i5 4690K | CPU Cooler: BE QUIET! Dark Rock Pro 2 | MB: ASUS Sabertooth Z97 Mark S | RAM: 24GB Kingston HyperX and Corsair Vengeance 1866MHz | GPU: MSI R9 280X 3G | SSD: Samsung 840 Evo 250GB | HDD: 9TB Total | Keyboard: K70 RGB Brown | Mouse: R.A.T MMO7 Laptop: HP Envy 15-j151sa | 1920x1080 60HZ LED | APU: AMD A10-5750M 2.5GHZ - 3.5GHZ | 8GB DDR3 1600mhz | GPU: AMD HD 8650G + 8750M Dual Graphics | 1TB SSHD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Author @wpirobotbuilder I'm not really worried about that, they haven't said anything besides they are looking into new materials, which we already knew. And plus they haven't even said what materials will be used. Also it's not like I leaked the specs or got a photo of the new processor. Honeywell manufactures a very large portion of materials for Intel and other computer parts manufacturers already so it should be no surprise that they would continue to work together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Author @Lazmarr I totally agree on the point of graphene being better for the environment and to the people that are exposed to it. It's just a safer option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Hoping for silicon. Ga-Ar is the most likely though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 just got lost in Intel's website a few days ago. Will these materials be Conflict-free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Author @szomeret They are already using silicon i just put it in as a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 @szomeret They are already using silicon i just put it in as a joke.I'm hoping they won't have to switch to new materials. They're all more expensive than silicon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Author I'm hoping they won't have to switch to new materials. They're all more expensive than silicon... Intel is getting to the point where they cannot continue to use silicon because its becoming more and more difficult to manufacture, ergo higher manufacturing costs. In the long run it will be cheaper and more efficient to switch materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 I'm hoping they won't have to switch to new materials. They're all more expensive than silicon... Isn't more or less all fabs having issues already at 16nm? If Intel can find something new it might actually save lots of costs long-term wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Intel is getting to the point where they cannot continue to use silicon because its becoming more and more difficult to manufacture, ergo higher manufacturing costs. In the long run it will be cheaper and more efficient to switch materials.Samsung said they'll be able to scale on silicon to 7nm. Yes, in the long run it will be necessary but the cost savings are to stay at silicon for quite some time. I suspect Intel is going to transition before the pack (at 7nm rather than after) due to its much higher profit margins allowing more expensive leading-edge technology. Fabs have been having issues for ever. There is always more to mitigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Author Isn't more or less all fabs having issues already at 16nm? If Intel can find something new it might actually save lots of costs long-term wise Exactly. I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Isn't more or less all fabs having issues already at 16nm? If Intel can find something new it might actually save lots of costs long-term wise They're having trouble with 20nm actually, and more specifically mastering FinFET processes at that feature size). The 16/14nm naming schemes for TSMC and Samsung/GloFo are just marketing BS. https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/3884-who-will-lead-10nm.html Software Engineer for Suncorp (Australia), Computer Tech Enthusiast, Miami University Graduate, Nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 Graphene, material to have the least impact on health and isn't a potent toxin to humans...think of the lives you could save by going with graphene instead of an arsenic-based alloy This is not true, for one most nano materials have an unknown health impact on humans, but also CNT's of a certain size are known to have the same toxicity mode as asbestos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 This is not true, for one most nano materials have an unknown health impact on humans, but also CNT's of a certain size are known to have the same toxicity mode as asbestos.On top of that the toxicity of arsenic is highly dependent on the for it is in. Furthermore the toxicity of everything is completely dependent on the dose and mode in which you are exposed to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 6, 2015 ohh mighty @LukaP educate us on the best material choice! May the light have your back and your ISO low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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