Official Nvidia GTX 970 Discussion Thread

[79wjd]

But you can go 4k with two 290x because AMD inst full of shit.

And they are cheaper.

They also run hotter and consume twice as much power. 

[zappian]

They also run hotter and consume twice as much power. 

 

AND?

 

I woundlt give a shit.

 

At least you can play 4k games without stutter.

You dont understand that 970 SLI is useless now for 4k dont you.

[79wjd]

AND?

 

I woundlt give a shit.

 

At least you can play 4k games without stutter.

290x's won't play 4k significantly better. If you don't want stuttery 4k gameplay than you need to play on lower settings, play easy to drive games, get ridiculously strong 980s, or wait or R9 380x's. 

 

And I care, not only is the cost difference easily made up by electricity costs directly, the indirect costs of me having to run the AC longer to counteract the higher heat output further adds to the cost of 290x's. 

[Ren]

They also run hotter and consume twice as much power.

Have you ever calculated the cost of power..?

With an actually decent cooler, you won't care about heat..

And I care, not only is the cost difference easily made up by electricity costs directly, the indirect costs of me having to run the AC longer to counteract the higher heat output further adds to the cost of 290x's.

Even if that's supposed to be a joke, you shouldn't include it in your argument..

If you have to run AC year-round, or at all honestly, the chances are high that you live in a warm climate. It's not doing anything, stop whining. You sound like a child.

[MEC-777]

But you can go 4k with two 290x because AMD inst full of shit.

And they are cheaper.

 

Benchmarks show that 290x in CF (and 295x2 (same thing)) out perform the 970 in SLI at 4k in most cases - so why would you then choose the 970's instead for 4k?

 

My logic: The 970 is a brand new card that struggles and is out performed at 4k by AMD's last gen cards. I don't give a darn what either cards have listed for "specs", obviously one is better than the other at 4k and that is the one(s) I would choose.

[79wjd]

Have you ever calculated the cost of power..?

With an actually decent cooler, you won't care about heat..

You do realize the heat is still produced regardless of how good the cooler is....right? It's just a question of how well the heat is dissipated away from the card into the room. 

 

And yes, the fact that SLI 970's consume half the power of XFIRE 290x's actually makes a difference. 

 

It costs about $40~ more per year to run XFIRE 290x's. And the AC is actually a pretty big factor when you consider that a single 780 can drive my room's temperatures up a good 5ºf after a few hours of gaming, and two 290x's put out a hell of a lot more heat than a ingle 780. 

[zappian]

Have you ever calculated the cost of power..?

With an actually decent cooler, you won't care about heat..

He is a nvidia fanboy , he doesnt understand that 970 SLI for 4k is not a option anymore because NVIDIA lied.

[Legion495]

Well I bought the card because it had in terms of Vram the same amount as the red counterparts. I had 290's but I got trouble with blue and blackscreens returned them and got myself a 970 instead. Well. I have 4 Displays FullHD now I use 3 of them in Nvidia Surround. 

It's terrible to know that the card is cut on the Vram. That was that thing. The reason why I finally decided to buy the 970 and the heat output. Now conclusion. Wait next time some months before even consider to buy a graphics card. 

I hope there will be a refound option. I don't care about games or rebate, because I can't do something with that. It actually killed my setup. I was going to SLI that card and maybe jump on 4k and still be able to play games on very high Settings.
 

[Ren]

He is a nvidia fanboy , he doesnt understand that 970 SLI for 4k is not a option anymore because NVIDIA lied.

Did NVidia release some driver that broke 970's and they can no longer be used at 2160p res?

As far as I know, no card that is on the market currently can adequately handle higher resolutions without going 3/4-way, and even then it's difficult due to VRAM amounts they're being sold with. Everyone, for months and months and months, have said that the HBM from AMD will likely solve this issue.

970's are no different than when they were first launched. They run 4k as well as they did at launch. Whether or not that is garbage is up for you to decide.

Everyone here seems to lack the ability to understand what's actually been going on for a while. NVidia is scummy, AMD will be (always) the first to bring an actual solution to the table, and all the arguing here is very, very pointless. Lots of false information being spewed forth from your fingertips, people.

[79wjd]

He is a nvidia fanboy , he doesnt understand that 970 SLI for 4k is not a option anymore because NVIDIA lied.

No, SLI 970s isn't an option because it runs 4k horribly. Even 980s don't maintain 4k @ 60fps all that well. We're not yet at a point where 4k can be properly driven -- hopefully AMD's R9 380x will change that. 

[Frix]

" was an error

in the reviewer’s guide and a

misunderstanding between the

engineering team and the technical PR

team "

a company such as nvidia can make such huge "errors"?! really?! they rlly have ballz to say that. i mean from all the employee no1 has niticed this "error"?! they must be sued for this and is not the first time nvidia is lying ţi the consumers, but better said having small "errors" either way n970 is overpriced.

1. What?

2. The 970 is very well priced hence this is such a big issue because so many people have one.

[zappian]

No, SLI 970s isn't an option because it runs 4k horribly. Even 980s don't maintain 4k @ 60fps all that well. We're not yet at a point where 4k can be properly driven -- hopefully AMD's R9 380x will change that. 

 

290x runs 4k fine.

 

And better than 970 SLI

Exhibit A:

 

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/11/19/nvidia_geforce_gtx_970_sli_4k_nv_surround_review/3#.VMgbByusVSk

 

Cheaper and more performance at 4k

[Midnight]

Everyone here seems to lack the ability to understand what's actually been going on for a while. NVidia is scummy, AMD will be (always) the first to bring an actual solution to the table, and all the arguing here is very, very pointless. Lots of false information being spewed forth from your fingertips, people.

 

Fanboy alert.

[HippY]

I see two groups here, both are in a perfect cycle doing piston like movement on each other penises

 

1 group says consumer is the faulty here, not nVidia, as nVidia might have put out misleading information, but every people on earth must now, that Maxwell can use only 0.5GB RAM on each Memory controller, and as an L2 Cache was disabled 2 Memory controller are working in a bank switching way, so the RAM Bandwidth tanks and performance drops at high usage! it is as clear for normal humans as anything! and of course you would not use this card hard, I mean it is as strong OC as a 780Ti, it is just a baby card, you know it

 

2nd group says everyone should sell up, as these cards worth suddenly nothing, AMD for the win

 

 

No, humans with social life and/or without a Computer Engineering Phd has no idea what anything above means, but it is nVidias responsibility to say the truth about the cards specifications and abilities, as it can mislead end consumers and professionals as well, see above, causing the device look better than it is. This is against the rules, and nVidia must be held responsible against it. No question asked and it is applying to any company not just tech.

 

This article must not about "whether the cards is good for 1080p gaming or 4K or rendering". This must be about us, consumers, stop companies doing false advertisement

[79wjd]

290x runs 4k fine.

 

And better than 970 SLI

Exhibit A:

 

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/11/19/nvidia_geforce_gtx_970_sli_4k_nv_surround_review/3#.VMgbByusVSk

 

Cheaper and more performance at 4k

Need I point you at the fact that it doesn't list minimums, and the fact that every other 4k graph on Hardocp makes both 290x and 970s look like shit? Frequent frame drops into the 30-40 range is not what I would call "fine", that would be called crap. 

[MEC-777]

Something needs to be cleared up here. Hopefully I can explain quickly and simply...

 

Specs matter, but only within proper context and comparison with other parts/products that share the same architecture. Thus, you can certainly compare the 980 and 970 and estimate the differences based on specs, alone. But how the part/product really performs, in practice, we don't really know until it's tested - hence, the importance of benchmarks.

 

Specs are important, but I don't care what it is you're buying, I would never buy anything based on specs, alone, and without extensive research to first see how it really performs and stacks up against the competition. That, to me is just common sense.

 

I didn't even know what the ROPs were on the 970 and I don't even know what they are on my 7950 and R9 290, but I don't care because I already know how all those cards perform. Had I bought a 970 instead of 290 (I game at 1080p) and now found out about this, wouldn't really care because the card still performs as expected and as my research (prior to purchasing) indicated. 

 

Yeah, they messed up and put a different number on a spec sheet (whether by accident or intention), but who really gives a damn!? Stop nit-picking, go spend some time actually playing some games instead of whining on a forum and enjoy using your still powerful graphics card that most people can't even afford.

[zappian]

Need I point you at the fact that it doesn't list minimums, and the fact that every other 4k graph on Hardocp makes both 290x and 970s look like shit? Frequent frame drops into the 30-40 range is not what I would call "fine", that would be called crap. 

 

290x SLI  still performs better than 970 SLI.

 

Nvidia is still full of shit.

[79wjd]

290x SLI  still performs better than 970 SLI.

 

Nvidia is still full of shit.

Nvidia is also twice as efficient, which is something that anyone, with an ounce of intelligence, who pays for electricity should care about.

[zappian]

Nvidia is also twice as efficient, which is something that anyone, with an ounce of intelligence, who pays for electricity should care about.

Pennies.

 

 

Same logic as nvidia VS AMD on the gpu side.

[NAP51DMustang]

Nvidia is also twice as efficient, which is something that anyone, with an ounce of intelligence, who pays for electricity should care about.

Why? The total system wattage difference amounts to like 20-40 bucks a year

[79wjd]

Pennies.

 

Same logic as nvidia VS AMD on the gpu side.

 

 

Why? The total system wattage difference amounts to like 20-40 bucks a year

The difference between an i7 and an FX8 cpu is 70w~. The difference between SLI 970s and XFIRE 290x's is a lot more than 70w. Not to mention 290x's kick out a lot more heat than an fx8.

[NAP51DMustang]

 

 

The difference between an i7 and an FX8 cpu is 70w~. The difference between SLI 970s and XFIRE 290x's is quite a bit more than 70w.

even at 200w over average use in the course of a year is only like 40 bucks. people run lightbulbs that use more wattage than some Nvidia cards, do you honestly think electricity is THAT expensive?

[Razzaa]

Why? The total system wattage difference amounts to like 20-40 bucks a year

If you dont have alot of money that extra would be better used towards your system. I care about heat because i like my rig silent. I also had one of those 290 reference cards and i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy lol

[zappian]

If you dont have alot of money that extra would be better used towards your system. I care about heat because i like my rig silent. I also had one of those 290 reference cards and i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy lol

 

Thats why the 290x is cheaper , it offsets that extra cost in power.

 

I would say.

[Razzaa]

Thats why the 290x is cheaper , it offsets that extra cost in power.

I would say.

Not if its a new build. Would i plug my 500watt psu into a 290x? Lol