Australian Election 2013

[mr moose]

People, you need to put party preference aside.  Some things you need to know before you vote:

 

There is a lot more to Australia than the NBN, Just like there is more to Australia than immigration, or just health, or just jobs, or just disability.  It is complete folly to vote for a party only because of one thing.  You wouldn't spend your life savings on a house next to train line and nuclear power plant just because it was the only one with an optic internet connection.

 

 

Typical Lib. The NBN is a crucial upgrade for the future. What you're saying about overseas is utter crap. Of course there are things that aren't going to be faster due to server locations. However a lot of servers are extremely fast and hooked up to the world with extremely fast fibre links. They are not the bottleneck, the end user connection is. Take this site: http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/ and have a look at the speed difference. All those place being uploaded and downloaded to are capable of those speeds.They are not some ghetto little servers tucked away in a mountain in Thailand, they are extremely high end specialised equipment processing millions of users and downloads and uploads. FYI: that site was not made by anyone officially associated with Labor or Liberal. 

 

Why is there this mad rush to stop the boats? Sure, they need to be controlled, but they shouldn't necessarily be stopped. These people are fleeing from war, slavery, imprisonment, etc. They turn up here and we say- "nah piss off back to your country and get blown up during the night". I do not want to be known as an Australian if that's what the world sees. The boat issue is a lovely disguise of sheer racism for the white, conservative Libs.

 

 

 

Liberal's plan for the NBN is an utter joke. They are telling people these numbers "25Mbps", yet a lot of people simply have no idea what these means. It's all a way to disagree with Labor. The Libs don't want slow internet, they want to say that they are "saving tax payers money" and making themselves look great compared to Labor because they are blowing our money on something useless. Liberal could have just as well come up with 1Gbps internet, except Labor got in first. I don't want a government that does that. i want a government that cares about me, not about making the other party look bad so they can get into power. 

I believe the carbon tax is a great initiative, as it aims to reduce the carbon emissions. I strongly believe the beautiful environment we live in should be dutifully looked after, and it's nice to see Labor trying to do that. Sure, Gillard lied about it, and that's a reason i never liked her, but i was still quite happy when she introduced it. 

And all this talk about the debt. Yes, being out of debt gives the country more power and whatnot with the world. But really, who cares? A debt means the government is spending more. And if the government is spending more, it generally means my standard of living and the Australian economy is being helped. Why would i possibly not want this. To say "my country isn't in debt"? Piss off.

 

I'm happy to hear what others think, and i don't care if you disagree. I do care if you don't provide a valid reason why.

 

 

 

 

The liberals plan is to guarantee a home connection speed of 25Mb/s.  This is not slow and is just the starting point.  The fact that you think it is a joke is purely an opinion, It is not just numbers, it is a compromise between faster internet and affordable internet.  As I have said earlier there is no point in borrowing and building the NBN if the number of people who can afford it is reducing each day (check taxable income data, the country is earning less and spending even less again).  Latest figures show the number of Australians who don't need, have or want a home connection currently to be 19%, this figure is expected to rise and that is before taking into account the costs of the NBN plans.

 

 

this thread seems as bad as the politics themselves ... repeating the same old same old

 

how about people list 3 things that they would liked addressed by the new government

 mine are

 

. The environment  (Mainly CSG)

. Transport

. Education - Including higher education

 

that way we can see how things are being addressed by the political party in the issues your concerned about, this could be a good reference for other people

 

*EDIT . will expand on the weekend

 

Mate, you are bang on the money. There is an awful lot going on at the moment and we should be concentrating these issues, but It really saddens me when the thing that people will vote for is the NBN, which I am fast becoming an opponent of, and for no other reason that the more research I do the more options I see out there. It seems to be a political tool for re-election not a policy with its own intrinsic value.  All of the ads and research coming from the NBN Co. are at worst skewed, deceitful or founded on very poorly researched data and criterion at best. 

[EtaCarinae]

this thread seems as bad as the politics themselves ... repeating the same old same old

 

how about people list 3 things that they would liked addressed by the new government

 mine are

 

. The environment  (Mainly CSG)

. Transport

. Education - Including higher education

 

that way we can see how things are being addressed by the political party in the issues your concerned about, this could be a good reference for other people

 

*EDIT . will expand on the weekend

 

Primary and High school education is not in dire straits. Tertiary education is what's now under threat courtesy of Labor's initiative and we know Labor (especially so under Gillard) loved to engage in social-class warfare. Relegating tertiary education appeases their blue collar and union working voter base. All this is blatant hypocrisy considering Labor pollies are predominantly tertiary educated.

 

I'm not sure what you're inferring when you mention Coal Seam Gas mining? I assume you're anti nuclear, too? I'm pro-nuclear and Australia could greatly benefit from the introduction of nuclear power. At least then we could sell Uranium to India(among others) with a straight face.

[ofr057]

Primary and High school education is not in dire straits. Tertiary education is what's now under threat courtesy of Labor's initiative and we know Labor (especially so under Gillard) loved to engage in social-class warfare. Relegating tertiary education appeases their blue collar and union working voter base. All this is blatant hypocrisy considering Labor pollies are predominantly tertiary educated.

 

I'm not sure what you're inferring when you mention Coal Seam Gas mining? I assume you're anti nuclear, too? I'm pro-nuclear and Australia could greatly benefit from the introduction of nuclear power. At least then we could sell Uranium to India(among others) with a straight face.

Thats what i meant of higher education, the goverment cannot be taking money out of one form of education and just putting it into another part, but saying that Australain education standards are still quite low in the western world and lifting the standard of education in primary and high schools will help alot.

 

the issue with this is that the benifit will not be seen untill about 10 years after the implementation of such a program, this can be seen when looking at country's such as South Korea.

To ensure that Australia becomes economical again innovation needs to be strong especially with mining starting to wind back now.

 

Uranium is an effective way of generating power, but implementing in into the system now would be rushing. the innovation of safer plants where melt downs is near impossiable and waste minimisation will make nuclear plants viable especially if in corperated correctly with mine closure sites and reserves acting as buffer zones.

 

power is another industry as has lacked investment of recent years and we are feeling it now. the possibility of geothermal , solar and tidal is high in Australia but hasn't been acted upon.

 

The aspects of CSG is been very rushed especially in the darling downs, the profit from these activities are mainly going off shore aswell as the gas going off shore. So the remains of bore water that is tainted or just gone and a spider web of wells and pipe tracks making it difficult to farm