Intel partners with Feminist Frequency and others

[TheBostonTickler]

That's a very interesting post there, i see attempting to attack the credibility of the video instead of the argument or sources contained within is more your style. Even as someone whos been described as left wing with socialist views, i find it absurd that you'd use the fact that it's a conservative institution to attempt to discredit them. Oh are we allowed to handwave away femfreq as too far left wing to be taken seriously now? Thats nice, glad you've clarified that all those breakdowns of how exactly where femfreq has cherry picked, miscited, and has broken logic weren't needed at all.

 

How about, take a few steps back in the conversation and if you actually think the content of those videos were incorrect or biased in some way, attack that instead.

 

 

God, i hate partisanship. It's like the worst parts of the GG two-sides controversy on a national scale. Just a tip: both you have two groups that are large enough, both will be wrong about some things, and right about others. In reality, you must evaluate ideas on their own merits, not political alignments.

 

 

The point was that if you openly say that you oppose nearly all government intervention, then clearly you would disagree with ones that speak to changing employment practices just like any other government program automatically, creating an bias for which there is no possibility for objective reasoning. If one starts out with the point to discredit anything another does by principal, then why would anyone believe that same entity would be providing an objective case against the basis of their principals? Are we to believe that even though these groups openly state against & fight nearly every new government initiative that isn't pro-business, that they are somehow providing this information because they are so concerned about the common man's beliefs about the state of gender inequality--can't say it is an issue they have EVER come out against before.

 

Let's look at these institutions that you so willingly grant credit to, since you know, I haven't done my research. First question, are either of them academically accepted entities in the fields of marketing, economics, sociology, or anything related to this subject? No of course they are not. They are of course business accredited--they couldn't be open & operating otherwise--but these are not people who are either well accepted in these fields, or openly predominate them in any way. They admittedly, through their own press releases, state they are "think tanks" which serve to bring up and coming political candidates & activists (ironically none of them which are conservative) so that they may better effect their roles as leaders. How do we get objective & accepted economical statistical information entity out of those mission statements? The point of showing where they receive their funding was to give possible insight as their motivation, unless of course we are to automatically believe they are an exception to the rule that one generally does what the person who signs their checks wishes.

 

The reason I didn't attack the points in the videos is because it would have taken a full day to pull all the statistics and then draft up a realized argument, for which nobody would have had counter points, because this is not  the forum for that kind of debate. I thought that it goes without saying that four minute videos are not exactly conducive to trying to create a cultured debate anyhow, and that anyone who tried to sum up such a complex issue so simply would obviously be putting a spin on it of some sort, regardless what side they were coming from. As far as your accusations of liberal bias and affection for femfreq are concerned, that's purely a product of your consciousness. I never mentioned anything about either and simply wished to give people a heads up that those videos were created with the intent of seeming creditable, when in fact they are a facade; and frankly I didn't know anything about femfreq, had to Google it, found it is connected to GamerGate, now writing that point off as paranoia on your behalf since I never brought it up.

 

Someone here was kind enough to post a PEW video in response to these more misleading ones, although I wouldn't put much stock in that either as it is also a four minute video trying to sum up a complex issue; but at least this time it comes from an accepted entity which includes more statistical figures and less "interpretation" of them.

[Guest Kloaked]

To each their own, I don't believe in being angry with a company while continuing to support them. Sure I will see lots of shiny products that I want to buy , but that is what tests my belief in what I stand for.

I don't think looking down at an entire company for the move their PR department made is right, though. Yes, some others outside of their PR department may agree with the decision, but some others may not; probably thinking "Ohhh fuckfuckfuckfuck, now if I speak out against this I'm going to get fired since this is such a hot topic." I feel for them, which is why I don't think boycotting them is the appropriate measure here. I still have an ounce of faith in humanity left, I would think microprocessor scientists would be able to look at their customer's opinions objectively and be able to make a decision.

However, if they blatantly and outright say that they will continue the partnership with those two SJW's (referring to Jesse Jackson and Anita) while ignoring the strong evidence against the two for the sake of acceptance and "equality", then I'll be done.

 

Sorry your news thread has become so derailed. That is what happens when Fem Freq is brought in, she has created a lot of anger with some of the things she has said and so you will have very conflicting ideologies meeting in this thread.

Which is why I think it would've been a better move for Intel to just stay out of this altogether.

It happens.

 

 

yup she is also i meant in a nsfw way if you know what i mean   cuz that's what feminist's deserve 

 

Dude what

[PowerPigeon]

Well, she cherrypicks her examples (for example type "anita sarkeesian hitman" into google). She claims to be a lifelong game, some time after that a video surfaces, where she says, that she is not a fan of video games. She wants donations to buy video games to make videos. Instead of buying them, she uses other people's youtube videos. Which also mens she's not playing the games she reviews. There are more points, but thats just from the top of my head.

 

 

Another question: Why is it so important to raise the portion of e.g. black people employed by the company?

I understand those points, but I don't feel that you need to play a video game to determine whether it is sexist, racist, etc, or not. I've never played Grand Theft Auto V, but I know that it's a game that has a "lack of interest in women as something other than lustful airheads". I think that if someone is going to have a negative opinion towards Sarkeesian, fine, but that shouldn't make them have a negative opinion towards feminism.

 

As an answer to your question, it's important because people of different races, sexes, etc, are being paid less than others for doing the exact same amount of work. Here is a chart of the wage gap statistics from 2011. How would you feel if I was making $10 and hour and you were only making $8 an hour, and we had the exact same job? It's not that increasing diversity of employees is important for a company, it's important for society.

[PowerPigeon]

 

I think that you are misunderstanding the concept of feminism. Feminists are not trying to make things easier for women and harder for men, they are trying to make things equal. If we lived in an equal society, when a man and a woman were both up for the same promotion and had done the same amount of work, the person in charge of giving the promotion would look objectively as both contenders and make the decision solely on how good they are at their job. Feminists aren't out to make life difficult for men, they're out to make the world fair.

 

If I were to sneak into a feminist meeting I have a feeling I would see a banner that sounds similar to that. Feminism sucks because they strive to push all men into the same category. That is why most men hate feminism and the aggressive nature it produces. I am sure within an hour of posting this there will be at least one man that feels the need to chime in with “I am a feminist and I am a male.” Good for you, I am sure your wife or girlfriend appreciates it.

Feminism sucks because regardless what type of feminist you are you are guilty of labeling all men in some way. If it isn’t the frequent man hate that the “neo feminists” love to blog about, they are doing it right now go check the tags “feminism and feminists,” then it is the feminists that love men but still push unfair stereotypes onto us. They still use percentages to try and make us all feel guilty over things that men should not feel guilty of. Not all men at least.

 

But if you're saying that all feminists generalize men, aren't you by doing that generalizing feminists?

[PowerPigeon]

Depends on which Feminists you ask.

 

Did you look through the article yet, or are you multi-tasking?

 

 

 

 

She is an attractive woman, but when she talks her bullshit she isn't anymore.

I took a look over the article. It contained some of the same points that mab1 brought up in a post in this thread, which I replied to with the following:

I understand those points, but I don't feel that you need to play a video game to determine whether it is sexist, racist, etc, or not. I've never played Grand Theft Auto V, but I know that it's a game that has a "lack of interest in women as something other than lustful airheads". I think that if someone is going to have a negative opinion towards Sarkeesian, fine, but that shouldn't make them have a negative opinion towards feminism.

 

As an answer to your question, it's important because people of different races, sexes, etc, are being paid less than others for doing the exact same amount of work. Here is a chart of the wage gap statistics from 2011. How would you feel if I was making $10 and hour and you were only making $8 an hour, and we had the exact same job? It's not that increasing diversity of employees is important for a company, it's important for society.

If you're against Sarkeesian, fine. But please don't be against feminism.

[Guest Kloaked]

I took a look over the article. It contained some of the same points that mab1 brought up in a post in this thread, which I replied to with the following:

If you're against Sarkeesian, fine. But please don't be against feminism.

 

I don't think anyone is truly against Feminism, they just confused the asshats like Anita to be a spokesperson for Feminism in general when she herself doesn't even know what the word "equality" means.

[PowerPigeon]

hope you say the same thing when a female gets promotion at work for the stuff she didn't do instead of you 

You're just looping back to the same thing now. As I've already said, feminism isn't trying to make things worse for men. It's trying to make things equal. Equal literally means being identical or the same in value. If things were equal, a woman wouldn't get a promotion just for being a woman, and I wouldn't get a promotion just for being a man. What you keep telling me will happen will not happen if we lived in an equal society.

[PowerPigeon]

I don't think anyone is truly against Feminism, they just confused the asshats like Anita to be a spokesperson for Feminism in general when she herself doesn't even know what the word "equality" means.

I really wish it were the case that no one was against feminism, but I think that there are some people in the world that argue against it saying that if feminism is allowed to succeed, men will have it harder. People that think that, in my opinion, have a lot of internalized misogyny that they need to work through.

[Guest Kloaked]

I really wish it were the case that no one was against feminism, but I think that there are some people in the world that argue against it saying that if feminism is allowed to succeed, men will have it harder. People that think that, in my opinion, have a lot of internalized misogyny that they need to work through.

 

Yeeep. True.

 

I know someone who says he's all for women's rights and equality, but the things he says about women are contrary to that.

[Mooshi]

Looking at the blog from a dev I follow, he linked to a Verge article and this is perhaps another reason I will refuse to acknowledge it as a credible source of news. 

 

 

No where has Intel mentioned or others anything of the movement of GamerGate. Pro, anti or neutral, there is zero mention and if anything, this is a tacky low blow. People aren't upset with Intel because they give a damn about GamerGate, they are upset that Intel is working off a quota under the guise of diversity. Jesse Jackson is nothing more than a race baiting hustler and Sarkeesian being a dishonest person is an understatement. I'll let these pictures speak for themselves.

 

 

 

 

[Mooshi]

I really wish it were the case that no one was against feminism, but I think that there are some people in the world that argue against it saying that if feminism is allowed to succeed, men will have it harder. People that think that, in my opinion, have a lot of internalized misogyny that they need to work through.

 

The problem isn't feminism, it's the brand of feminism. Your mothers generation and her mother were the true heroines of feminism who fought for the rights of women. That level of feminism was admirable and a true triumph of a modern western society. What people hate are the 3rd wave feminist from Tumblr. The vile man hating type who chant a bunch of nonsense that cause others to see feminists are batshit insane. Those are the types of women that feminist should denounce, not be accepting of a voice for modern day feminism. These types are nothing more than bitter misandrist who are doing more harm to women than good.

 

Personally, I wish the world followed egalitarianism instead of clinging to a movement whose very name is gender centric towards women. I believe in true equality, not cherry picked equality. Men have gender biased against them as well, not just women. Both genders need to come together, all this fighting is a bunch of nonsense in 2015.

[MageTank]

Gamergate has already derailed into the very thing it hated the most. A lot of the Gamergate advocates became the paid victims they protested against in the first place. People asking for monthly payments to continue talking about the subject is a prime example of that. The reason Anita is not an advocate for equal rights in popular media (video games, to be the example) is because what she says is wrong. She will bring up select points, but completely ignore any rational remark regarding how strong female characters are still portrayed, and still loved by both males and females. Mention Samus Aran, or Laura Croft, and she will switch the topic to "sexualization and male fantasies of females". Mention any woman that isnt scantly clad, and they are likened to a damsel in distress. Mention Zelda, she will say "Link needs to save her" without even acknowledging the fact that Zelda is also Sheik. 

 

Point is, every point Anita fights to make, can be made in reverse towards women too. Most men cannot possibly achieve the physique that Kratos has in God of War. No man has the amazing ass cheeks of Solid Snake in the metal gear franchise (i only say this because alot of the game forces you to stare, or atleast thats what i tell myself at night). My point? Both sexes are oversexualized in video games. Video games are not objectifying women. 

 

 

Above anything, Gamergate was about corruption in video game journalism, but it became just as corrupt when it started deploying the exact same tactics. The irony of it all, is that both sides have journalists sensationalizing it to continue to pit people against each other. 

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a company wanting to show it is open to a fully diverse set of workers, but to announce that "we are going to strive towards it" makes it sound as if you are going to put more focus on the diversity aspect. A better use of words would be "We have always strived to hire all people, regardless of gender and race, and will continue to do so". That kind of statement would have avoided this firestorm of rants and anger amongst multiple forums. 

 

I am no saint either, i am certain i have angered people with my opinions today, but at the end of the day, that is all they are, opinions.

 

Take my words as seriously as the words from a random stranger on the street.

 

-MageTank

[Guest]

Let me hire person B because of genetics instead of the more qualified person A.

And the world slowly stops turning because of "equality" instead of hiring a more competent person.

It's not about competence; it's about the societal belief that men are going to work better than women.

[AlwaysFSX]

It's not about competence; it's about the societal belief that men are going to work better than women.

Uh, do you even know what I said?

I can guarantee you there will be a case where a more qualified male was not hired because he is male.

They're trying to create quotas of x number of women should be hired for equality even with the very good chance not all of them are the most qualified person for the job.

[MageTank]

Uh, do you even know what I said?

I can guarantee you there will be a case where a more qualified male was not hired because he is male.

They're trying to create quotas of x number of women should be hired for equality even with the very good chance not all of them are the most qualified person for the job.

 

Its not just gender either. Race still plays a role in a lot of things. Here in Ohio, i see commercials all the time regarding African American Scholarships, to help "underprivileged African Americans" and i often think to myself, why limit such a great aid to one specific race. Why not help an underprivileged child of any race? Is the education of one underprivileged child worth more than another?

 

In a perfect world, things like this would not exist, and everyone would have a fair chance, and be treated with equal opportunities that are given to everyone. Sadly, the world we live in is not perfect, and is instead faced with demands of "equal expectations". 

 

I do not know if this issue is as big in other countries as it is in the US, but this kind of thing has been quite the issue recently. The recent police shootings, and the media's deliberate portrayal of race has not done the subject any service of any kind either. We can only hope race and gender becomes less of an issue in the future. Until then, you may as well buckle up, because it will be one hell of a ride.

 

-MageTank

[AlwaysFSX]

Its not just gender either. Race still plays a role in a lot of things. Here in Ohio, i see commercials all the time regarding African American Scholarships, to help "underprivileged African Americans" and i often think to myself, why limit such a great aid to one specific race. Why not help an underprivileged child of any race? Is the education of one underprivileged child worth more than another?

 

In a perfect world, things like this would not exist, and everyone would have a fair chance, and be treated with equal opportunities that are given to everyone. Sadly, the world we live in is not perfect, and is instead faced with demands of "equal expectations". 

 

I do not know if this issue is as big in other countries as it is in the US, but this kind of thing has been quite the issue recently. The recent police shootings, and the media's deliberate portrayal of race has not done the subject any service of any kind either. We can only hope race and gender becomes less of an issue in the future. Until then, you may as well buckle up, because it will be one hell of a ride until then.

 

-MageTank

The problem is people are trying to use excuses of hanging on to the past to rationalize their excuses. To move forward you have to let go but not forget.

[Art Vandelay]

it means they'll pay less attention to race/identity/gender/etc when hiring, and focus more on credentials.

I don't think anyone in the modern world consciously thinks about anything other than how well the employee will perform in the job they're being hired for. I don't know why they would, you get rewarded for hiring better candidates, if your company's set up correctly.

[MageTank]

Skills are not the only thing companies look for. Attitude plays a huge part. If you are extremely arrogant, and an all around dick, you will most likely not get the job regardless of how talented you are. There are a lot of laws and regulations at companies preventing discrimination. Whether they work or not is unknown to me. I know i've applied for plenty of jobs that i was very qualified for, and i was turned down for various reasons. None of which were racially motivated (i am a white male, as was roughly 70% of the employers i applied to). 

 

I am pretty sure apple pulled this same stunt recently too, and discussed their diversity with people as well too. I do not know if it was that big of a deal when they did it, but it certainly will not make a difference in the income of Intel. People will continue to buy their products as long as it suits their needs. This should honestly only effect you if you are applying to Intel, or if this completely goes against your moral beliefs. Any complaints beyond those two realms will most likely fall on deaf ears.

 

On another note, Little Caesars is easily the most "diversified" company i have ever worked at. I suffered equally with men and women of all races. The money you no longer spend on intel could easily buy a ton of Hot & Ready pizza's.

 

-MageTank

[Guest Kloaked]

On another note, Little Caesars is easily the most "diversified" company i have ever worked at. I suffered equally with men and women of all races. The money you no longer spend on intel could easily buy a ton of Hot & Ready pizza's.

 

Their pizza gave me some bad poops one night.

 

I may give it another go.

[MageTank]

Their pizza gave me some bad poops one night.

 

I may give it another go.

 

Try working there. You get to eat free pizza all day. They just recently added jalapenos too. 

 

I do recommend ordering a deep dish pizza and requesting "crazy all over it". They will cover it with the parmesan cheese that they shake over the crazy bread, and they will also put the melted butter they put on the bread, on the deep dish itself. Your arteries will hate you, but your mouth will worship you.

 

-MageTank

[Guest Kloaked]

Try working there. You get to eat free pizza all day. They just recently added jalapenos too. 

 

I do recommend ordering a deep dish pizza and requesting "crazy all over it". They will cover it with the parmesan cheese that they shake over the crazy bread, and they will also put the melted butter they put on the bread, on the deep dish itself. Your arteries will hate you, but your mouth will worship you.

 

-MageTank

 

The Heart Attack Special. I like it.

[mab1]

I understand those points, but I don't feel that you need to play a video game to determine whether it is sexist, racist, etc, or not. I've never played Grand Theft Auto V, but I know that it's a game that has a "lack of interest in women as something other than lustful airheads". I think that if someone is going to have a negative opinion towards Sarkeesian, fine, but that shouldn't make them have a negative opinion towards feminism.

 

As an answer to your question, it's important because people of different races, sexes, etc, are being paid less than others for doing the exact same amount of work. Here is a chart of the wage gap statistics from 2011. How would you feel if I was making $10 and hour and you were only making $8 an hour, and we had the exact same job? It's not that increasing diversity of employees is important for a company, it's important for society.

 

Well, you didn't answer my question. 

They could hire 100% black people and still pay them poorly.

You should have answered: If you have employees with different life experience the company is much more innovative. At least that's the usual answer people give.

I would have answered: Why not hire these people in the first place and ignore their race, gender, ...? I'm mean that's wahat the job interview is for, to know you better.

 

Anyway, about the chart you posted. Look at it again! There is something striking about this chart! Why are asian men earning more than white men? Think about it!

The reason is, that asians tend to work harder (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/05/hard-work-really-is-the-reason-asian-kids-get-better-grades-study-finds/) and they also major in STEM Fields, which are better paid.

 

 

Department of Commerce studies also show that Asians are twice as likely to hold jobs in STEM-related fields than any other group, and that one in five workers in a STEM-related field is foreign-born, of which 63 percent comes from Asia.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/asian-arrival-how-stem-demand-led-to-a-massive-shift-in-immigration/2012/06/21/gJQAaShLtV_story.html

 

Which leads me to my next point: The numbers you posted simple represent the median income for an individual of every group. The authors factor in work expereince, degrees, working hours per week, ...

These numbers don't show that a asian female with the same experience, education, ... earns less compared to a white male. You can't conclude this from the data you posted.

 

 

I get it, you really like feminism. 

But just like many things in life, the definition and the real world application differs.

The idea men and women should have equal rights and opportunities sound great and a lot of people would support that. I would support it, so would the majority of "anit-feminist", "MRAs" and all the other so-called "enemies of equality".

But many people had bad experiences with western political feminism. For example, this group still attempts to deceive you with misinterpreted statistics (wage gap).

This claim, that "feminism" is also good for men is bullshit and you can see it everywhere.

Some time ago i read a german newspaper article. The author of said article was travelling around germany to interview feminists. One of the interviewees was a equal opportunity commissioner. These people are emplyed by goverment agencies and companies to ensure that men and women are treated equally. So, he asked her: Did a man ever ask you for help? She answered: Yes, one time a guy was verbally abused by his female boss. He asked: And what happened? Her answer: I don't know, probably still doing his job.

Source (in german): http://www.zeit.de/2013/24/genderforschung-kulturelle-unterschiede/seite-3.

 

Frankly, i don't if it is even possible the achieve full equality. Let's be honest, a very emotional man, who cries a lot, will have problems finding a mate (female).

Does a world where no man tries to impress a women (house, car, clothes, job, ...) seem realistic to you? The number of gym memberships would drop drastically, if women didn't exist. 

 

There's a quote by Aristotle Onassis 

 

If women didn't exist, all the money in the world would have no meaning.

 

Men buy a lot of stuff to impress women. 

Anyway, don't fell bad about your affinity towards feminism. Many people support the textbook definition, but not the real-world implementation. 

[MageTank]

 

The Heart Attack Special. I like it.

 

 

I know all of the tricks to the trade now. Want a fresh pizza? Order it square sliced, or thin crust. They do not make square-cut pizza's to place into the hot and ready shelf. Same with the thin crust ones. You are 100% guaranteed a fresh pizza using those tricks. Want fresh breadsticks? Ask for a bag on the left when looking at the register from walking into the store. We always put recently made breadsticks on the right side (customers left side) in advance. 

 

I completely forgot what this topic was about. Though, i like where it is heading far better.

 

-MageTank

[ComradeHX]

Intel is trying really hard to snatch attention away from Ubisoft.

What's next? DLC that unlocks a core on your CPU?

[Guest Kloaked]

Intel is trying really hard to snatch attention away from Ubisoft.

What's next? DLC that unlocks a core on your CPU?

 

I think you're overstepping it here.