AMD 9590 or i7 4790k.Is it worth the exra money?

[MadOliveGaming]

Hi guys,

I wana build a new pc soon and was looking at 2 cpu's. Now i like the i7 but the 9590 comes for about 100 euros less...

The pc with i7 is about 1700€ and i was wondering if the exra savings are justified or if it would be to big a preformance difference. Also i wanted to go mATX which with the amd wont go.

Pc will be used for gaming and in near future also for recording and livestreaming

[Guest]

9590 will need cooler that will cover expense of i7

[JoaoPRSousa]

FX8350 and a proper cooler

[Burdock]

A 4690k is probably your best option. It has the same single thread performance.

[lani100]

Get the i7 or even the i5

[Jgeorge610]

dont get the 9590.. performance is not very good for the money, better off getting a i5 /i7 which would preform much better in gaming (fact)

[SkilledRebuilds]

4690K, No need for an i7 when streaming/recording is taken care of by Nvidia Shadowplay or AMD GameDVR

Get the i5 for single threaded beastness, mainstream i7 is a waste even for video editors (saving a couple of seconds per 30mins of video isnt worth it) , you'd want the enthusiast i7's then to make it worthwhile in video editing.

Mainstream Video editors have GPU-Assist, so again, an i5 will suffice.

[jurian123]

Get the i7 or even the i5

Btw u made a mistake in your signature. Its a Lenovo and not a Lenvo. 

[lani100]

Btw u made a mistake in your signature. Its a Lenovo and not a Lenvo. 

Not a mistake I just edited it and gave a backpace too much

[MadOliveGaming]

FX8350 and a proper cooler

Um im defibately not getting that... Anyway thanx for all the quick reactions. A friend saud the 9590 would be good but ill stick to my origional i7 plan as it is faster and alows me to get an mATX board thats not terrible.

[jurian123]

Not a mistake I just edited it and gave a backpace too much

Oke haha not a prob. 

[SkilledRebuilds]

I say the i5 4690K,  , No need for an i7 when streaming/recording is taken care of by Nvidia Shadowplay or AMD GameDVR

 

Get the i5 for single threaded beastness, mainstream i7 is a waste even for video editors (saving a couple of seconds per 30mins of video isnt worth it) , you'd want the enthusiast i7's then to make it worthwhile in video editing.

 

Mainstream Video editors have GPU-Assist, so again, an i5 will suffice.

Read above and consider that the i7 could also be a waste of moneys..

 

@jurian123

[jurian123]

Read above and consider that the i7 could also be a waste of moneys..

 

@jurian123

i know, but why you mark me? 

[SkilledRebuilds]

i know, but why you mark me? 

Cos I wanted to direct you yoursef to that quote with info, which was overshadowed by replies as soon as I made it, and in case you missed it

Trying to be nice, won't happen again j/k

[D3MON]

Hi guys,

I wana build a new pc soon and was looking at 2 cpu's. Now i like the i7 but the 9590 comes for about 100 euros less...

The pc with i7 is about 1700€ and i was wondering if the exra savings are justified or if it would be to big a preformance difference. Also i wanted to go mATX which with the amd wont go.

Pc will be used for gaming and in near future also for recording and livestreaming

try 8320 vs 4790k.

[Litargirio]

Read above and consider that the i7 could also be a waste of moneys..

@jurian123

Games are already moving towards being able to use more threads than they used to. A 4790K would be a good investment.

[SkilledRebuilds]

Games are already moving towards being able to use more threads than they used to. A 4790K would be a good investment.

True, but they also 'looking at the last 10 so years for example' prefer higher frequency first and foremost before more cores.

CPU manufacturers didn't help that, milking Duals for SOOOOO long upping Frequency as much as possible instead of using slower quads.

But things scale better with higher frequencies than higher core counts, software is usually tailored this way too, because not everyone has those quads.

 

Sucks to be honest, I'd like engines to be highly scalable no matter what broad sense of hardware is available or common. Not just focused on the common denominators.

 

The Haswell Refresh i5 I have now, does beat my Sandy i7 in Singlethreaded tasks and is slightly behind in Multi.

IPC is certainly playing its part too.

[Litargirio]

True, but they also 'looking at the last 10 so years for example' prefer higher frequency first and foremost before more cores.

CPU manufacturers didn't help that, milking Duals for SOOOOO long upping Frequency as much as possible instead of using slower quads.

But things scale better with higher frequencies than higher core counts, software is usually tailored this way too, because not everyone has those quads.

 

Sucks to be honest, I'd like engines to be highly scalable no matter what broad sense of hardware is available or common. Not just focused on the common denominators.

 

The Haswell Refresh i5 I have now, does beat my Sandy i7 in Singlethreaded tasks and is slightly behind in Multi.

IPC is certainly playing its part too.

 

If you put the newest i5 and put it against an i7 that was releases 2 or 3 years ago, then the i5 will obviously beat the crap out of it in single threaded performance. If you put the i5 4690 against the 4790K, both haswell refresh CPUs, the latter wins in single threaded. Not by a lot though, in fact the difference is almost negligible, but it still wins. And it beats the i5 by far in multithreaded tasks. There is nothing a 4690K can do that a 4790K can't do. And games nowadays are beginning to take advantage of more threads, which makes an i7 4790K an excellent choice. Just an example:

 

 

There you have it, even the AMD processors, which have terrible single threaded performance, are beating the i5s. Crazy, huh?

[Faceman]

@Litargirio

 

That is the one and only game that benefits from more cores, not stronger cores. It still doesn't change that some game types require, and will continue to require strong single core performance.  Also, the FX processors bottleneck high end GPUs because they just aren't strong enough to continually feed these powerhouse GPUs that are available for around $300.

 

@MadOliveGaming You have a massive budget.  All you need for gaming is an i5, but because you have such a large budget, go ahead and buy the i7.

[Litargirio]

That is the one and only game that benefits from more cores

 

One can only assume that the trend will continue. With games becoming more and more CPU intensive, game developers will sooner or later have to multithread their games more heavily for CPUs to be able to run them properly. Besides, some newer games even refuse to launch if the processor doesn't have 4+ cores.

[Faceman]

One can only assume that the trend will continue. With games becoming more and more CPU intensive, game developers will sooner or later have to multithread their games more heavily for CPUs to be able to run them properly. Besides, some newer games even refuse to launch if the processor doesn't have 4+ cores.

There are workarounds for that, and its developer driven.  They are trying to make it so that dual cores can't run it so that people upgrade their hardware, which is really the only way the industry can move forward.  The games DO run on dual core CPUs, you just have to apply the workaround.  I am not familiar with what it entails, but I know that people do it, and do it easily.

 

This doesn't change that some game types are still going to need strong single core performance.  MMOs will probably always need strong single core performance.  Also, weak CPU cores cannot properly feed a high end GPU.

[SkilledRebuilds]

There are workarounds for that, and its developer driven.  They are trying to make it so that dual cores can't run it so that people upgrade their hardware, which is really the only way the industry can move forward.  The games DO run on dual core CPUs, you just have to apply the workaround.  I am not familiar with what it entails, but I know that people do it, and do it easily.

 

This doesn't change that some game types are still going to need strong single core performance.  MMOs will probably always need strong single core performance.  Also, weak CPU cores cannot properly feed a high end GPU.

Yep, I second this, Farcry 4 for example.

Can't run on Dualcores yet... injecting a DLL file, to remove the check, it runs and you get fluent game performance on Dualcores, artificially limited. Bad move.

 

Thread on Linustech about this FC4 limit being surpassed (With Video)

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/257491-far-cry-4-actually-do-able-on-pentium-g3258/

[Syraz]

Screw overclocking, get a Xeon 1231 :-)