Cable Broadband Speeds 'Beat' Fibre - UK

[Scheer]

In this particular context, I actually beg to differ. Coaxial Cable is still a copper core. In this case, anyone specifically referring to DSL/Dial-up will use Copper Pairs. "Traditional Copper", or "Copper" used in a generic sense is a perfectly acceptable term for both.

 

I don't mean to start an argument, but while both technically have copper in them, if anyone in the telcom industry says copper they mean copper pairs. Especially if you say traditional copper.

 

Coaxial cables are not always copper as well, copper clad aluminum is common, and while rare (and stupid) there are even all aluminum coaxial cables.

[Silent_Xaxal]

Seeing these speeds justs reminds me of the irking fact that 20 mbps over here can only be had for about 125 dollars (estimate) per month on fibr.

[Puddleuk]

The key words being used AVERAGE. Average, Average, Average. Geez people. You may get higher than the average speed or you may get lower. 

 

Below is my speed which only because available to me a few months back. I live in the Countryside (Lake District) and not a big city.

 

[Pickle]

If considering the properties of cable vs fibre, fibre wins. ISP's just need to sort things out on their end. So, the article shouldn't read "Cable Beats Fibre", it should read "ISP's Making a Mess of Fibre". Either way, I don't believe that 40Mb/s is the right figure, so the whole thing is doubtful. Hopefully, there will be changes in the future, so there is no reason to discourage people from laying fibre infrastructure, which could potentially push faster internet.

[SirNumbers]

I get  110/25 for $50 a month through cable RCN

[Brunopls]

100Mbps connection is $8/month here...

Gigabit is $18/month.

 

...

 

>romania

>internet

 

Lies are all I see.

[Nineshadow]

>romania

>internet

 

Lies are all I see.

What?

[Nomelas]

keep in mind you still get what you pay for... you could get 43.3 Mbps on cable because that's what you pay for.... or you could get 42Mbps on Fiber.... because you guessed it, that's what you pay for. Here, if I wanted I could pay for the 250Mbps Fiber connection if I really wanted it. Nothing provides the same or anywhere close to the same upload speeds as Fiber btw. Also latency is much better with less attenuation than on copper. Also if a company claims to provide fiber optic lines, they dont always provide it directly to your house. The one in my area however has a fiber line straight to the box in my house

[Brunopls]

Anyone know any european companies that can make a private domestic fiber network in my residence? Pls let me know.

[Nomelas]

Where is that happening?

In Canada we almost solely use cable for the last mile and I've never heard of that before.

EDIT: just thought I'd add this, if a company has oversold their available bandwidth, they've oversold their bandwidth. It doesn't matter if it's fiber, cable, DSL or dialup.

Not true, depends where in Canada. Canada is a big place

Bell Aliant in NS offers Fibre-OP right to your fiber modem from there it switches to Ethernet cables of course. It's my guess that Bell does this for Bell Canada as well.

 

BTW: http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/canada

[Blade of Grass]

Anyone know any european companies that can make a private domestic fiber network in my residence? Pls let me know.

Is there a reason why you want a fiber LAN?

[Blade of Grass]

Not true, depends where in Canada. Canada is a big place

Bell Aliant in NS offers Fibre-OP right to your fiber modem from there it switches to Ethernet cables of course. It's my guess that Bell does this for Bell Canada as well.

BTW: http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/canada

That's right, but FTTP is pretty rare in Canada. If you're in a city you're most likely to get cable, and if you're in the country side you're more likely for a dsl or some form of radio based connection.

Bell (atleast in cities) does as Rogers and does FTTN than cable to the premise.

Also, Ookla's data says it's near to 24Mb/s.

http://www.netindex.com/download/2,7/Canada/

[dalekphalm]

Not true, depends where in Canada. Canada is a big place

Bell Aliant in NS offers Fibre-OP right to your fiber modem from there it switches to Ethernet cables of course. It's my guess that Bell does this for Bell Canada as well.

 

BTW: http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/canada

While you are correct in that some areas are getting FTTH, I think his statement, as a generalization of Canada's ISP infrastructure, is still accurate. Even in the heart of Ontario, Bell and Rogers do very few FTTH installs. In Bell's case, almost every package they label as "Fiber" is actually VDSL, which is FTTN, with copper pairs for the last mile.

 

Not saying you're wrong of course But neither is he technically either.

 

And Eff you with your Bell-Aliant being less douchey then "mainland" Bell!

[Nomelas]

While you are correct in that some areas are getting FTTH, I think his statement, as a generalization of Canada's ISP infrastructure, is still accurate. Even in the heart of Ontario, Bell and Rogers do very few FTTH installs. In Bell's case, almost every package they label as "Fiber" is actually VDSL, which is FTTN, with copper pairs for the last mile.

 

Not saying you're wrong of course But neither is he technically either.

 

And Eff you with your Bell-Aliant being less douchey then "mainland" Bell!

yeah sadly I can't get it at my apartment because of that fact.... the building owners don't want them to rewire the building for fiber. So there's a downside

The only other company to offer internet in my area is Eastlink and they advertise as cable internet but it's actually FTTN then copper to the home (I believe, haven't found any proof but the salesmen claim that)

[dalekphalm]

yeah sadly I can't get it at my apartment because of that fact.... the building owners don't want them to rewire the building for fiber. So there's a downside

The only other company to offer internet in my area is Eastlink and they advertise as cable internet but it's actually FTTN then copper to the home (I believe, haven't found any proof but the salesmen claim that)

Advertising as Cable Internet is technically correct, since DOCSIS 3.x Cable Internet (As well as VDSL) are both FTTN. As an ISP, you can't provide a DOCSIS 3.x connection without FTTN because it's necessary for the required bandwidth.

 

But speaking personally, FTTN can be quite good. Obviously not as good as Fiber, your latency won't be as low, but it's still as good (Generally lower even) as traditional copper internet. But I'm running 150/15 Mbps FTTN over DOCSIS 3.0 and it's FAST. My latency is pretty good too, though I don't do much multiplayer gaming anymore, so latency and ping aren't as important for regular browsing or streaming.

[The_Evenger]

and here i am in the corner, still using 350Kb/s as the fastest possible speed for my location...

[Brunopls]

Is there a reason why you want a fiber LAN?

My country is pretty awful and we have almost no fiber coverage, and even the fiber we have is not pure fiber in most cases, they're usually crappy fiber/copper mixups in certain occasions. 

 

My current speeds are of 3mbps and I live 3 minutes away from the center of my city, which is the country's 3rd largest and most populated.

 

I can probably afford it, so I'd figure to get some knowledge about this and ponder on spending some money on the QoL that would be a fiber LAN.

[Altecice]

Doesnt America class Broadband as like 0.5mbps? or something silly like that

[Scheer]

My country is pretty awful and we have almost no fiber coverage, and even the fiber we have is not pure fiber in most cases, they're usually crappy fiber/copper mixups in certain occasions. 

 

My current speeds are of 3mbps and I live 3 minutes away from the center of my city, which is the country's 3rd largest and most populated.

 

I can probably afford it, so I'd figure to get some knowledge about this and ponder on spending some money on the QoL that would be a fiber LAN.

 

It sounded like you meant you wanted your LAN (local - as in running from router to your computers) to be fiber. For the record, it would be extremely impractical, expensive, and a huge PITA. Fiber connectors are extraordinarily picky, unplug it for even a second and there is a good chance it will be too dirty to carry a good connection until you clean and scope it.