Apple to Police: Take your warrant and shove it.....

[Imaginaerum]

If you are a regular person; you could have plenty to hide.

 

Just not something any LE agency would be interested in.

 

Such as what porn sites you go to...and obviously nude photo.  They are not illegal(and it's dumb to have nude photo anyway, but still...people do stupid things) but you don't want to show them to everyone else.

And what you think is legal may be considered illegal to whoever's watching. I don't have a meth lab in my house but I still don't want people looking through my windows

[ComradeHX]

And what you think is legal may be considered illegal to whoever's watching. I don't have a meth lab in my house but I still don't want people looking through my windows

I pay close attention to whether what porn I watch is constitutionally protected.

So far, no problem yet.

[Guest]

Just because someone appears guilty it has no correlation to whether they ARE guilty.  There's a little something called evidence.

 

What's with this Guilty Until Proven Innocent and to a larger extent the Fuck You, I Got Mine attitudes that are so ubiquitous these days in the West.  It is despicable.

[Imabigmac]

I don't like this. 

 

I believe it could stop potential evidence from being used to prosecute a individual in court. The police shouldn't be able to demand Apple to open a device without reason, if there is a warrant Apple should do its part and open the phone and not obstruct justice. IMO its a marketing ploy. 

[Tech_Dreamer]

Finally . the underdog fights back!! B)

[ZeroBreaker]

I said nothing to hide IF the police needed it. Not invade my privacy. The police would not just ask for these things out of the blue.

 

I have brown skin and brown eyes. When i went to London, there was not a single day in which my backpack wasn't searched.

 

I very much consider british police to be some of the best enforcers in the world, but damn if it doesn't piss me off that I have so little privacy because of something I can't control.

 

America's situation is much, much worse, to the point no one in my family considered even going. When a holiday came up as a topic, the mere hint of suggesting america brought laughs all around.

 

White Privilege is bullshit, people can't control their 'whiteness' as much as I can't control my 'brownness' but that doesn't change the fact that this shit happens, and privacy depends on who you are rather than actual concern for crime.

[smjpl]

Why? you shouldn't really have anything to hide from the police anyways but good for them

 

Or, you could just not break the law... The only reason to fear the law and its enforcers is if you're a criminal and/or your community doesn't hold said law enforcers accountable.

 

I am glad both of you feel this way. Would you like to put a copy of all your emails, private information etc up on the forum?

[LukaP]

inb4 americans fight over stuff that was never a problem in continental europe

 

really dudes, your police, judging from these posts is crap. if they think of you as guilty because you just dont want to answer questions, then sorry, but you have a problem. and regarding @ZeroBreaker that is just fukin racist... id move out to some more normal place....

[LAwLz]

Wait a minute...

So Apple's encryption had a backdoor in it before this? Thumbs up to Apple for removing it, but honestly it should never have been there to begin with. On top of that I just don't trust Apple (who has been mentioned in PRISM documents) with closed source encryption solutions.

 

Something in Apple's statement seems kind of false as well.

"Unlike our competitors, Apple cannot bypass your passcode and therefore cannot access this data."

I am pretty sure that the full disk encryption in Android do not have some backdoor either. I am pretty sure that part of Android is open source as well, and you can see a high level explanation of it here.

 

 

 

Refusing to answer a question for fear of self incrimination makes someone look guilty. If you did nothing wrong there'd be nothing to incriminate yourself with.

Strictly yes or no question: Have you stopped abusing your children yet?

 

While pleading the fifth can be used by criminals to not answers certain questions which would expose them, it is there to protect innocent people from answering questions which would be interpreted as self incriminating. Believe it or not but prosecutors don't care if you're innocent or not, they want you to be punished and will use dirty tactics to get you sentenced. Losing a case damages their reputation so even if they realize you are innocent, they will still try to make you appear guilty.

You should be treasure every single law and technology which can be used to protect you.

Besides, real criminals could just lie to questions. If you are a real criminal and get caught lying, that is just one more real, non-disprovable evidence against you.

If you are innocent and gets caught lying, they now have some real evidence that you have broken some law. It might not be what you're being trialed for, but it's still actual evidence.

You have more reason to plead the fifth if you're innocent, than if you're actually guilty.

[StingBull]

what defines a locked device?

if i have a passcode on it? if its stolen and i disable it? a carrier specific device?

 

edit~

"With iOS 8, Apple has changed the way its encryption works. With the newest version of Apple's mobile software in place, the company says it can no longer bypass a user's passcode—meaning that even if U.S. law enforcement presents Apple with a search warrant, the company would be incapable of accessing passcode-protected data on a user's device."

 

Oh good, they would only have to torture one guy.

[Trik'Stari]

1. Marketing gimmick

2. The NSA has it already

 

Refusing to answer a question for fear of self incrimination makes someone look guilty. If you did nothing wrong there'd be nothing to incriminate yourself with.

Incorrect, in a court of law, pleading the fifth (refusing to answer because that answer might incriminate you) cannot be considered to be self incriminating.

[pit5000]

Refusing to answer a question for fear of self incrimination makes someone look guilty. If you did nothing wrong there'd be nothing to incriminate yourself with.

 

it might make somebody 'look' guilty but in America, everybody is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Pleading the fifth is exercising the right to remain silent, nothing more.

[Ashley]

Apple and Google are competing on privacy. Privacy.

This would be unthinkable two or three years ago to be making such a big deal out of it. It was discussed before as a "yeah you have privacy" and that was basically it.

 

https://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/apple-throws-down-privacy-gauntlet

 

 

 

It's just disturbingly similar.

My response to that is "if I have nothing to hide then why do you need to search me?"

[jezza39]

it might make somebody 'look' guilty but in America, everybody is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Pleading the fifth is exercising the right to remain silent, nothing more.

Yeah true, I think that was the point I was trying to say but couldn't say it clearly thanks

[Equlix]

Or, you could just not break the law... The only reason to fear the law and its enforcers is if you're a criminal and/or your community doesn't hold said law enforcers accountable.

Have you gone over the speed limit in the past week? If so that's against the law.

[patrickjp93]

Have you gone over the speed limit in the past week? If so that's against the law.

Nope. My car's GPS beeps when I hit the speed limit. I stay at it or 1-2 mph below.

[Equlix]

Asserting that you won't answer questions because of fear of self incrimination puts a huge target on your back and makes you look guilty.

No it makes you not a fucking moron.

[Equlix]

Nope. My car's GPS beeps when I hit the speed limit. I stay at it or 1-2 mph below.

lol ok.

[patrickjp93]

No it makes you not a fucking moron.

The only people who plead the fifth are criminals. You admit to an undisclosed crime, but you admit to being a criminal. Let's face it.

[EpicGeekonFire]

Soooo I guess I will be getting an iPhone

[JEW UNIT NY]

@The title of the thread: if I said that, I would either get arrested or shot... But most likely both. Must be nice to be a corporation in America.

[Equlix]

The only people who plead the fifth are criminals. You admit to an undisclosed crime, but you admit to being a criminal. Let's face it.

You CLEARLY don't understand what the pleading the fifth is so... we're done here really.

[patrickjp93]

You CLEARLY don't understand what the pleading the fifth is so... we're done here really.

It's pursuing one's right against self-incrimination, but the only reason to do that is if you have committed a crime. Frankly it's a tool useful only to criminals. Whether or not the law is so complicated you were too stupid to avoid transgression is irrelevant. Is the law absolute or not?

[LAwLz]

It's pursuing one's right against self-incrimination, but the only reason to do that is if you have committed a crime. Frankly it's a tool useful only to criminals. Whether or not the law is so complicated you were too stupid to avoid transgression is irrelevant. Is the law absolute or not?

No, pleading the fifth is not only used by criminals.

Again, it's so that you can defend yourself against leading questions.

 

Yes or no question: Have you stopped abusing your children?

It's a silly example, but it's not that far from the techniques used by some prosecutors. "Everything you say can be used against you" applies even if you're innocent.

[patrickjp93]

No, pleading the fifth is not only used by criminals.

Again, it's so that you can defend yourself against leading questions.

 

Yes or no question: Have you stopped abusing your children?

It's a silly example, but it's not that far from the techniques used by some prosecutors. "Everything you say can be used against you" applies even if you're innocent.

If you never have abused your children the answer is no. It's not a leading question. You don't have to stop if you never started.