Posted August 16, 2014 Wow. We had to come this far for you to say that you're butthurt for me preferring IE over FF (which I already fucking answered several posts ago). And sorry, but I'm not going to get into specifics of what Im' automating and how, as I'm under NDA with our client. So you can fuck right off with that notion. And again, you speak to my point which I am now mentioning for the THIRD fucking time, which was, that we hit browsers harder than a typical end user likely will. Shall we argue around in another circle so that I can mention it a fourth time? Okay so you won't tell me what you're doing but you will say that Chrome is the best one at it. Sorry but I don't like "yeah you should totally trust me but I won't tell you why" arguments. If you're going to say that IE is better than Firefox then I want to know why. If you're going to say it's unstable then I'd like to know in what kind of scenarios and tests. If I said "Windows crashes all the time for me" then I am sure people would like to know what I am doing when it crashes. Just answering "when I run programs, but I won't tell you what programs I use, you will just have to take my word for it being unstable" would probably not satisfy them. Don't you agree that your claims have all been very, very vague? That's what is bothering me. You made a claim and I asked for evidence which you refuse to provide me with. I don't like people who talk bad about things and then refuse to back it up, no matter what product it is. Hell I've even defended OS X which I dislike because I've seen people make bullshit claims they can't back up. -So many people claiming firefox crashes more, can someone send me evidence that google chrome stable builds are somehow less crash prone than firefox stable builds? The only crashes i have ever gotten on either browser full stop are flash player crashes, which leave the webpage fine but need a restart of the browser to reload flash. Yet everyone here seems to get crashes loads apparently? You either are applying a pre concieved notion, or are simply watching way too much porn at one time. In that case, firefox is doing you a favour - its not super healthy. Well I have asked for evidence in this thread and apparently that makes me a fanboy. Oh and to answer your question, no they don't have any evidence to post. We just have to take their word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 16, 2014 Well I have asked for evidence in this thread and apparently that makes me a fanboy. Oh and to answer your question, no they don't have any evidence to post. We just have to take their word for it. Can I not say Dark Souls crashes a lot, despite any fixes I try, just because there isn't an international multi-university study on the stability of a specific build of software? My previous 4P Folding & current Personal Rig I once was a poor man, but then I found a crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 16, 2014 I've used Opera and Firefox in the past and always get back with Chrome because of its rapid speeds. I don't think I would use any browser either as all my data can be synced to my google account. So if any hardware failures occur my neat settings will be secure. Firefox also providing syncing. And it is all private and secure.IE11 also have syncing, surprisingly. You need to be using Windows 8 with OneDrive though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 16, 2014 Oh and to answer your question, no they don't have any evidence to post. We just have to take their word for it. Not quite sure it's my time to chime in here, but oh well, I'll give you a tiny bit of (still pretty vague) insight from behind the scenes: The main issue developers have with Firefox is with its much older and less stable JavaScript engine—Chrome, Safari and IE have all taken major leaps forward in that space in recent time, making it possible to write really complex systems with just JavaScript. The problem mostly then arise when you have to get these systems to function on Firefox; The Firefox call stacks will overflow and cause its' JavaScript engine to hook up, rendering the tab (or browser) unusable. We've run in to this issue many a times at work, and have had to re-design our systems so that Firefox will be able to run them. Because it's on the developer's table the end user shouldn't have to experience it, because if it doesn't work, it won't be published. That means that you, as a Firefox user, can keep on using your browser of choice without running into issues. I'm guessing the other guy's distaste for Firefox comes from a similar place. I myself see no problem with people using whatever software they see fit, be it Chrome, IE, Firefox or even Netscape—Know only that every time you folks complain about things not work in your preferred browser, consider that features being "disabled in browser X" often doesn't mean that the developer has intentionally disabled this feature, but because it wasn't feasible developing the feature for you browser due to lack of modern features or misc. other shortcomings. Cheers, Linus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 16, 2014 I recently re installed windows in my machine and decided to try Firefox instead of chrome. When I was watching youtube videos in full screen 1080 I found that I couldn't tell the difference between 720 and 1080. Also the menu at the bottom of the screen looked really pixely. I tried searching for some possible causes, but couldn't find anything. When I installed chrome, 1080p looked awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 16, 2014 Well what happens if when you go to google.com in a different browser, it just places a tracking cookie and gives you a "Download Chrome to Use Google Search" splash screen? How many more Chrome users do you think they'd get like that? They'd have all of the average "sheep" users, and possibly a good portion of power users as well, depending on how many of them rely on Google for search. They already delist competitors, look it up. (I'm not going to say Google it, but if so, please do) I would surmise that if that were to happen they would get quite a few more chrome users, however I think the likelihood of them getting to that stage is slim to none. Every company wants to monopolize, that's basically the, goal the end game. Seeing as MS hasn't yet and they'd be the best candidate to have achieved (throughout history) it it stands to reason that even with google topping the most popular/valuable brand list it really would still be quite an ask for them to monopolize and stall choice. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 16, 2014 But Google stuff actually works.. So why not use it? Works + innovating is good enough for me. Firefox has a lot of junk, doesn't run as smoothly, nor does the UI look as good as as intuitive as I want it to. You could use the Chromium browser, which is what Google Chrome is based on.For everyone else, I will now officially declare that from the Sunday, 17th of August 2014, 02:32 Eastern European Standard Time, I will switch to Mozilla Firefox. LTT's unofficial Windows activation expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 16, 2014 never liked how chrome works and always used Firefox and i am satisfied with it period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 16, 2014 To everyone stating that "Chrome is better" - wrong. Chrome feels better to use, and that is a completely different thing. From the engineering perspective, the legal perspective and maybe the social perspective as well, Chrome is a disaster. I've been using Firefox since I chose the browser that I use (that was when 3.6 was the latest version), but recently switched to Waterfox without noteworthy performance or stability changes. None of these ever crash with me. I avoid Google in every field except search (and YouTube, but the good part is not their work). They really started pissing me off when they screwed up YouTube, but there's a ton of other reasons to avoid them as much as Petyr Baelish should be avoided. THIS SIGNATURE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 Smells like someone is butthurt over Google's success. Google cannot take over the internet, plain and simple most of what is described here is open source. Android is completely open source. Chrome is closed source but is based entirely on the open source project Chromium. So god forbid if Google ever took over the world, I will just compile Android and Chrome myself... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 Can I not say Dark Souls crashes a lot, despite any fixes I try, just because there isn't an international multi-university study on the stability of a specific build of software? if you're going to say Dark Souls is worse than some alternative because of it then no, you can't say it without some evidence. Or well, you can say it but it will annoy me. The main issue developers have with Firefox is with its much older and less stable JavaScript engine—Chrome, Safari and IE have all taken major leaps forward in that space in recent time, making it possible to write really complex systems with just JavaScript. The problem mostly then arise when you have to get these systems to function on Firefox; The Firefox call stacks will overflow and cause its' JavaScript engine to hook up, rendering the tab (or browser) unusable. We've run in to this issue many a times at work, and have had to re-design our systems so that Firefox will be able to run them. Because it's on the developer's table the end user shouldn't have to experience it, because if it doesn't work, it won't be published. That means that you, as a Firefox user, can keep on using your browser of choice without running into issues. I don't think it's fair to call Mozilla's JavaScript engine old. IonMonkey is what, 1 year old? I was actually really interested in JavaScript engines a few years ago and one of the main reasons why I switched to the developer releases of Firefox was to try out Jägermonkey, which was massive leaps better that TraceMonkey. I'm talking multiple times faster, and even beating Chrome in many tests back when Google was still marketing Chrome as the fastest browser. I won't say you're wrong about it locking up (although Firefox has a feature that will stop JS if something goes wrong and/or is very slow, thus freeing up the rest of the browser) but I will say you're wrong about it being old and that they haven't made major leaps forward in recent time. I myself see no problem with people using whatever software they see fit, be it Chrome, IE, Firefox or even Netscape—Know only that every time you folks complain about things not work in your preferred browser, consider that features being "disabled in browser X" often doesn't mean that the developer has intentionally disabled this feature, but because it wasn't feasible developing the feature for you browser due to lack of modern features or misc. other shortcomings. I would buy that if it didn't work in some specific browser because it lacks some standard support (see Mega which released an addon to fully support Firefox). However, Google has been caught disabling features based on user agents before, and offline mode in Google Docs is not supported in any brother other than Chrome. Smells like someone is butthurt over Google's success. Google cannot take over the internet, plain and simple most of what is described here is open source. Android is completely open source. Chrome is closed source but is based entirely on the open source project Chromium. So god forbid if Google ever took over the world, I will just compile Android and Chrome myself... :lol: Neither Chrome nor Android are completely open source. Android is not open source because the gapps are closed source (and that includes the new launcher, dialer, play services etc) and Chrome is not open source. The majority of Chrome has been released as Chromium but some things have been left out and are still closed source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 Author I would surmise that if that were to happen they would get quite a few more chrome users, however I think the likelihood of them getting to that stage is slim to none. Every company wants to monopolize, that's basically the, goal the end game. Seeing as MS hasn't yet and they'd be the best candidate to have achieved (throughout history) it it stands to reason that even with google topping the most popular/valuable brand list it really would still be quite an ask for them to monopolize and stall choice. They already have a proprietary image format that they're trying to get standardized, and they are pushing other proprietary formats too. What happens when you need Chrome to render pictures and videos on the internet? That's what I don't like. It's not true that every company wants a monopoly, many of them do, but a lot of them also need their competitors to give them ideas, i.e. Samsung and a lot of other Android manufacturers. They all borrow from each other, and I can guarantee they would be floundering right now if they didn't have the iPhone to take inspiration from. "You have got to be the biggest asshole on this forum..." -GingerbreadPK sudo rm -rf / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 Eh, pick your poison I guess. | CPU: An abacus | Motherboard: Tin foil | RAM: 2 Popsicle sticks | GPU: Virtual Boy | Case: Cardboard box | Storage: Cardboard | PSU: 3... Er... Make that 2 hamsters | Display(s): Broken glass | Cooling: Brawndo | Keyboard: More cardboard | Mouse: Jerry | Sound: 2 Cans of SpaghettiO's | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 if you're going to say Dark Souls is worse than some alternative because of it then no, you can't say it without some evidence. Or well, you can say it but it will annoy me. Well Dark Souls on PC is worse than the Xbox 360 version because I can actually play Dark Souls on the 360. Chrome is worse than Firefox (for me) because Firefox is clunky and crashed a lot. My evidence is my personal experience, I don't need to write that down with pictures and memory dumps to decide I want to use something else that lets a website function the way it should. If it's fine for you then that's great, it doesn't change a thing for me. My previous 4P Folding & current Personal Rig I once was a poor man, but then I found a crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 They already have a proprietary image format that they're trying to get standardized, and they are pushing other proprietary formats too. What happens when you need Chrome to render pictures and videos on the internet? That's what I don't like. It's not true that every company wants a monopoly, many of them do, but a lot of them also need their competitors to give them ideas, i.e. Samsung and a lot of other Android manufacturers. They all borrow from each other, and I can guarantee they would be floundering right now if they didn't have the iPhone to take inspiration from. Again, MS office is all proprietary but not dominating to the point were incompatibly is a problem. And I am not even going down the iphone path with you, I don't even know why you'd raise it. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 They already have a proprietary image format that they're trying to get standardized, and they are pushing other proprietary formats too. What happens when you need Chrome to render pictures and videos on the internet? That's what I don't like. It's not true that every company wants a monopoly, many of them do, but a lot of them also need their competitors to give them ideas, i.e. Samsung and a lot of other Android manufacturers. They all borrow from each other, and I can guarantee they would be floundering right now if they didn't have the iPhone to take inspiration from. If you're referring to WebP, WebM and VP8/VP9 then I can gladly inform you that they are not proprietary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 Author Again, MS office is all proprietary but not dominating to the point were incompatibly is a problem. And I am not even going down the iphone path with you, I don't even know why you'd raise it. It's not a monopoly though. There have always been other word processors, and particularly right now Google is hitting Microsoft pretty hard with Docs and Drive. I raised the iPhone point because it's what came to mind. I don't want to go down that path with you, we both know how it ends. I didn't even say copy, I said inspire, you're not even willing to take that as a compromise? Being inspired by other ideas isn't illegal and Apple does it all the time too. If you're referring to WebP, WebM and VP8/VP9 then I can gladly inform you that they are not proprietary. No, but you can't download them for use offline without installing even more of Google's software. Mozilla's solution was a better JPEG compression algorithm. I prefer that to a new standard for which more code has to be written and possibly broken in the process. "You have got to be the biggest asshole on this forum..." -GingerbreadPK sudo rm -rf / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 Why would I stop using the web's current super power? They're the super power for a reason, they're the best. Looking for a Programming Project take a look here! http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/407332-looking-for-a-project-idea-start-here/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 It's not a monopoly though. There have always been other word processors, and particularly right now Google is hitting Microsoft pretty hard with Docs and Drive. I raised the iPhone point because it's what came to mind. I don't want to go down that path with you, we both know how it ends. I didn't even say copy, I said inspire, you're not even willing to take that as a compromise? Being inspired by other ideas isn't illegal and Apple does it all the time too. No, but you can't download them for use offline without installing even more of Google's software. Mozilla's solution was a better JPEG compression algorithm. I prefer that to a new standard for which more code has to be written and possibly broken in the process. everyone is inspired everyone else at some stage, it's not that don't credit apple with being an inspirational, I just don't think they were above and beyond any other company. Most companies have their turn, the successful ones are the ones we hear about, but all the small companies that innovate and make great products but lack marketing expertise and succumb to bank foreclosure before the product gets out, miss out on being the next big thing. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 Look, This will never happen because Google can only control the market in Western countries (Europe, North America) and Australia, they only have a hold of part of the smartphone market in Asian countries I run my browser through NSA ports to make their illegal jobs easier. :PIf it's not broken, take it apart and fix it.http://pcpartpicker.com/b/fGM8TW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 Author everyone is inspired everyone else at some stage, it's not that don't credit apple with being an inspirational, I just don't think they were above and beyond any other company. Most companies have their turn, the successful ones are the ones we hear about, but all the small companies that innovate and make great products but lack marketing expertise and succumb to bank foreclosure before the product gets out, miss out on being the next big thing. I agree. I thought you were going to defend all the Android OEMs over it. "You have got to be the biggest asshole on this forum..." -GingerbreadPK sudo rm -rf / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 I agree. I thought you were going to defend all the Android OEMs over it. Nah, only a fanboy does that. I really am a fence sitter, there are only a handful of products/companies that I have a soft spot for, and that's only because their products were major players in my youth (80's) when I was both growing and impressionable. Like Sony headphones/walkman, commodore computers, apple IIe, Kenwood audio, etc. Most of them suck doodles now but you can't undo influences in your life. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 I rather have a memory hog that's somewhat stable than a memory leaker that will crash my shit without notice. ------- Current Rig ------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 Author Nah, only a fanboy does that. I really am a fence sitter, there are only a handful of products/companies that I have a soft spot for, and that's only because their products were major players in my youth (80's) when I was both growing and impressionable. Like Sony headphones/walkman, commodore computers, apple IIe, Kenwood audio, etc. Most of them suck doodles now but you can't undo influences in your life. I love retro stuff. Screw beats, my PortaPros crush 'em in sound quality, looks, build quality, AND price. I rather have a memory hog that's somewhat stable than a memory leaker that will crash my shit without notice. Firefox crashing your shit without notice? Nonsense. It's perfectly stable, it's my daily driver on non-Macs. "You have got to be the biggest asshole on this forum..." -GingerbreadPK sudo rm -rf / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted August 17, 2014 If Google was able to completely corner the internet browsing market it would basically be a monopoly, they would be sued for violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, and as they have there headquarters in the US it would prevail and Google would be broken up into many companies. :T "but Google's to big and powerful for that" Google Standard Oil >_>. "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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