Is anyone here for gun control or not?

[JamGorby]

I agree with you completely, but if someone was going to rob Little Ceasar's and they see a bunch of people in there chillin' with their guns out, they wouldn't be robbing Little Ceasar's. Huehue.

That's a little naive though. It's as if you're assuming all of these people would automatically know the intentions of the others. Any one of them could be that crazed gun toting lunatic. Imagine the paranoia. 

[NInety]

 

Well, it's a good thing I'm not influenced by Pornography.

[ericlee30]

Not this crap again

 

Word to the wise

 

 

"Words As Weapons"
 

All I really want is something beautiful to say

Keep me locked up in your broken mind
I keep searching, never been able
To find a light behind your dead eyes
Not anything at all

You keep living in your own lie
Ever deceitful and ever unfaithful
Keep me guessing, keep me terrified
Take everything from my world

Say, can you help me right before the fall?
Take what you can and lead me to the wolves

Keep me dumb, keep me paralyzed
Why try slimming? I'm drowning in fable
You're not that saint that you externalize
You're not anything at all

(All I really want is something beautiful to say)

It's all so playful when you demonize
To spit out the hateful, you're willing and able
Your words are weapons of the terrified
You're nothing in my world

Say, can you help me right before the fall?
Take what you can and lead me to the wolves

All I really want is something beautiful to say
Keep me guessing, keep me terrified
All I really want is something beautiful to say
You keep living in your own lie

All I really want is something beautiful to say
To never fade away
I wanna live forever

All I really want is something beautiful to say
To never fade away
I wanna live forever

You keep living in your own lie
Keep me guessing, keep me terrified

All I really want is something beautiful to say

Say, can you help me right before the fall?
Take what you can and lead me to the wolves

All I really want is something beautiful to say
Words are weapons of the terrified
All I really want is something beautiful to say
Keep me guessing, keep me terrified

All I really want is something beautiful to say
To never fade away
I wanna live forever

All I really want is something beautiful to say
To never fade away
I wanna live forever

 

[Fred Castellum]

That's a little naive though. It's as if you're assuming all of these people would automatically know the intentions of the others. Any one of them could be that crazed gun toting lunatic. Imagine the paranoia. 

I'm pretty sure he doesn't think its a good idea to walk around open carrying, he was just saying that for the "imagine if that happened" sake of it. Lol. 

 

 

I agreed to the so called immature 39 year old here, read on the page before, quite a write up, but that is how i see the USA, i might be too forward and passionate about my view, but you cannot deny good will.

All I'm trying to do is to make sure things don't get to the point its incoherent, or just a pain to read. No one likes reading a thread with a argument that spans 5 pages now do they?

[Real_PhillBert]

Awwww wonder how the crazed man got the gun in the first place ummmm awww.

 

 

On a serious note, glad she is fine, though not an easy thing to live with.

 

The man is a previous felon, that makes it a crime for him to have that firearm. You seem to be under the impression that criminals like this guy are thwarted in their crimes by passing laws. Laws that obviously they have no regard for.

 

The UK and the US's crime and gun crime statistics cannot be directly compared. The UK has done a remarkable job of removing firearms from the public (whether you support the action or not). However It has always (modern era at least) been more complected to own a firearm in the UK than it has in the US. Because of this there are orders of magnitude more firearms in the private hands in the US than have ever been in private hands in the UK. Therefore if you were to pass a law banning firearms from private ownership in the US altogether there would still be literally millions of firearms that would fall through the cracks both by intent and by accident.

 

Believe it or not it is not terribly uncommon for people to clean out old houses and find world war 2 surplus guns tucked into closets and attics of veterans houses. I have read many such stories where fully automatic weapons such as the American Thompson sub-machine gun and the German MP-40 sub-machine guns (both are illegal to own without some federal paperwork and a tax since 1934) that grannies have taken to pawn shops to sell unaware of what they were. My point here is that the violence problem in the US cannot be solved by simply restricting the tools that people are using. One must target the root cause, the sick people who are doing this.

 

BTW, I will continue to respond to you as long as you are able to refrain from insults like several others have been unable to do. In return, I will not resort to personal attacks toward you.

[Real_PhillBert]

Lol no I'm not saying your ridiculous. I'm saying its ridiculous that you have people who believe there is a balance to government intervention. It'll never happen. 

 

Ahh, understood. Carry on.

[Recon-UK]

The man is a previous felon, that makes it a crime for him to have that firearm. You seem to be under the impression that criminals like this guy are thwarted in their crimes by passing laws. Laws that obviously they have no regard for.

 

The UK and the US's crime and gun crime statistics cannot be directly compared. The UK has done a remarkable job of removing firearms from the public (whether you support the action or not). However It has always (modern era at least) been more complected to own a firearm in the UK than it has in the US. Because of this there are orders of magnitude more firearms in the private hands in the US than have ever been in private hands in the UK. Therefore if you were to pass a law banning firearms from private ownership in the US altogether there would still be literally millions of firearms that would fall through the cracks both by intent and by accident.

 

Believe it or not it is not terribly uncommon for people to clean out old houses and find world war 2 surplus guns tucked into closets and attics of veterans houses. I have read many such stories where fully automatic weapons such as the American Thompson sub-machine gun and the German MP-40 sub-machine guns (both are illegal to own without some federal paperwork and a tax since 1934) that grannies have taken to pawn shops to sell unaware of what they were. My point here is that the violence problem in the US cannot be solved by simply restricting the tools that people are using. One must target the root cause, the sick people who are doing this.

 

BTW, I will continue to respond to you as long as you are able to refrain from insults like several others have been unable to do. In return, I will not resort to personal attacks toward you.

 

I like your post here, yes i am fully agreeing that those who will keep firearms to disobey the law will do so, my objection to the thread is simply ignoring the gun laws that are present currently in the USA, and anywhere else for that matter that is the same.

[Real_PhillBert]

Really?

 

The situation you posted is so rare... MUCH rarer than those that require a car insurance, don't you think?

Having your regular person on the street armed will not help at reducing crime rates, but rather make even more crimes bloody. Why would we want that?

 

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/06/25/study-using-guns-for-defense-leads-to-fewer-injuries

 

As for the bold part, this is 100% fallacy. In almost every state that have offered (and actually issued) concealed weapons permits to the public, violent crime has dropped. I want to be clear, I am not for giving criminals guns. But I also recognize that taking guns away from law abiding citizens does not make the crimes go down. Look at NYC, Chicago, Los Angeles and Detroit. All four have made it extremely difficult for for the citizens to own guns, and all four have very extensive violence problems.

[Real_PhillBert]

I like your post here, yes i am fully agreeing that those who will keep firearms to disobey the law will do so, my objection to the thread is simply ignoring the gun laws that are present currently in the USA, and anywhere else for that matter that is the same.

 

Help me understand. What ignored gun laws are you referring to?

[ericlee30]

The man is a previous felon, that makes it a crime for him to have that firearm. You seem to be under the impression that criminals like this guy are thwarted in their crimes by passing laws. Laws that obviously they have no regard for.

 

 My point here is that the violence problem in the US cannot be solved by simply restricting the tools that people are using. One must target the root cause, the sick people who are doing this.

 

Covected criminals, are not the only crazies in the world. People that are not even in the system and have squecky clean records, commit heinous crimes every single day as well.

[Recon-UK]

Help me understand. What ignored gun laws are you referring to?

Maybe i worded that wrong, i mean ignorance to the effects that the current gun laws are doing.

 

 

Although you have countered half of it with the inability to remove all weaponry.

[JamGorby]

I'm pretty sure he doesn't think its a good idea to walk around open carrying, he was just saying that for the "imagine if that happened" sake of it. Lol. 

 

 

 

Yes, and I responded. A response that would have been the same even if his scenario wasn't hypothetical. To be frank, I don't understand the purpose of this response. 

[Real_PhillBert]

Covected criminals, are not the only crazies in the world. People that are not even in the system and have a squecky clean record, commit heinous crimes every single day as well.

 

You are very correct in this statement. Unfortunately I do not have a good solution to offer. Although I will note that pretty much all of these people who commit these crimes do show a good amount of warning signs before they go off the deep end. I would like to see a better way of recognizing these signs and treating the individual. Although I am not a sociologist, I am an engineer, so I am not prepared to offer a proper way of carrying out this task.

[Fred Castellum]

Yes, and I responded. A response that would have been the same even if his scenario wasn't hypothetical. To be frank, I don't understand the purpose of this response. 

The purpose of my response was so you know he wasn't actually saying he supports open carrying. That's it really. 

[Real_PhillBert]

Maybe i worded that wrong, i mean ignorance to the effects that the current gun laws are doing.

 

 

Although you have countered half of it with the inability to remove all weaponry.

 

To this I would argue that it is not the current gun laws that are creating the gun related crimes. It is the people themselves that are.

[Real_PhillBert]

I would like to steal a post I made in the "Are You For Or Against Guns" thread from about a month ago. I feel like this will help convey some of my feelings on the subject, and I am way too lazy to type the whole thing up again.

 

 

I would like to weigh in with my thoughts. Generally I try to stay away from political topics on an international forum, I enjoy the discussion but have seen these go south and degrade into degradation and personal insults far too often. That said, I'm going to give this a go.

 

I do agree that in a perfect Utopian society guns would not be necessary. The very important word in that sentence is "necessary," even if there was absolutely no useful justification for firearms, I would still own guns. I enjoy them as a hobby, I target shoot with family often and even compete on a local level. 

 

However I also understand that we do not live in a Utopian society. Life here is not perfect, and there are people who have nefarious intent. I also recognize that ultimately I am responsible for my own safety and far, far more importantly, the safety of my family. I do not place the responsibility for my safety nor my families safety with anyone else. If the local police department or even good citizens are able and willing to help my family in a dangerous situation, their assistance is more than appreciated, but they are not responsible for my well being. I am.

 

For this reason I carry a concealed firearm on myself pretty much every single day. I hope nothing more than to never have it leave my holster in public. That said, I do train with my firearms. I usually attend at least one, sometimes two, three day concealment shooting courses a year. I know first hand that the level of training I do annually far exceeds that of most police departments in the US. I have never hurt anyone in my life, and have zero intentions to do so, but I value the lives of my family are am ready and willing to protect them.

 

I have a couple different firearms that I carry in different weather conditions or how I am feeling that day. Most of the time I carry a Glock 19, other times a Sig P226. Some people have a bunch of different watches that they wear depending on the day and dress. I do the same thing for carry guns. Today I happen to be dressed a little nicer, so I am carrying a slightly nicer looking gun, a Beretta 92FS Inox.

 

(not a pic from today)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Derp ^^^^^^ toes lol.

 

I have competed IDPA in the past and do usually still compete IPSC a couple times a year just for giggles. They are both really good fun. These are sports that most "anti-gunners" like to ignore when they claim that guns are only usable to harm people. I usually compete with a slightly modified XDm 5.25 Stainless in 9mm. Sorry I dont have a pic of that one on my phone.

 

Now that I said all of this, I would like to say that I have always tried very hard throughout my life to allow other people to make their own minds on issues and to respect their positions on them. So if you disagree with everything I said and think I'm a quack, that's cool. If you agree, then I give you an internet high five. In fact I'll give you an internet high five even if you think I'm a quack.