Upgrading first gen Ryzen rig with new CPU and GPU

[Oatplane]

Budget (including currency): 15 000 SEK (~1400 USD)

Country: Sweden

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Horizon Forbidden West, Helldivers II, playing around with various NVIDIA-exclusive AI-features

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Current rig:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 1700X
Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S AM4
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200MHz CL16
Motherboard: PRIME B350M-A
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 1660TI Dual EVO 6GB
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C Black (GPU max len. 315 millimeters)

 

Current plan for upgrades:

 

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (3500 SEK)
ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Dual (8200 SEK), 227.2 millimeters long
Seasonic Focus GX 850W (1500 SEK)

 

Total: 13 200 SEK. 

 

Built back in 2018, now I'm looking for an upgrade. I currently have a 1080p 144hz monitor but after this upgrade I'll look into upgrading to 1440p with similar refresh-rate (120+ hz). 

 

Anything I'm missing, or should think about? I looked up my mobo and it should be compatible with a BIOS upgrade. Maybe I need some newer faster RAM?

[podkall]

idk how realistic this is for you, but according to pcpartpicker you might be able to squeeze:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  (kr3897.27 @ Amazon Sweden)
Motherboard: *ASRock B650M PG Lightning Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (kr1542.00 @ Proshop)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL32 Memory  (kr1421.93 @ Amazon Sweden)
Video Card: Inno3D Twin X2 GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  (kr6790.00 @ Proshop)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (kr1472.00 @ Amazon Sweden)
Total: kr15123.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-14 12:31 CEST+0200

[podkall]

its not Super tho

[podkall]

1 hour ago, Oatplane said:

Current plan for upgrades:

 

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (3500 SEK)
ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Dual (8200 SEK), 227.2 millimeters long
Seasonic Focus GX 850W (1500 SEK)

it's a good plan if you're worried about only GPU power,

 

the only thing that might be a problem is the Motherboard, it should handle the CPU, but it's cheap nonethanless

[Why_Me]

1 hour ago, Oatplane said:

Budget (including currency): 15 000 SEK (~1400 USD)

Country: Sweden

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Horizon Forbidden West, Helldivers II, playing around with various NVIDIA-exclusive AI-features

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Current rig:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 1700X
Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S AM4
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3200MHz CL16
Motherboard: PRIME B350M-A
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 1660TI Dual EVO 6GB
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C Black (GPU max len. 315 millimeters)

 

Current plan for upgrades:

 

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (3500 SEK)
ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Dual (8200 SEK), 227.2 millimeters long
Seasonic Focus GX 850W (1500 SEK)

 

Total: 13 200 SEK. 

 

Built back in 2018, now I'm looking for an upgrade. I currently have a 1080p 144hz monitor but after this upgrade I'll look into upgrading to 1440p with similar refresh-rate (120+ hz). 

 

Anything I'm missing, or should think about? I looked up my mobo and it should be compatible with a BIOS upgrade. Maybe I need some newer faster RAM?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D 3 GHz 8-Core Processor  (kr2955.00 @ Computersalg) 
Total: kr2955.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-14 13:02 CEST+0200

[Alex Atkin UK]

31 minutes ago, podkall said:

idk how realistic this is for you, but according to pcpartpicker you might be able to squeeze:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  (kr3897.27 @ Amazon Sweden)
Motherboard: *ASRock B650M PG Lightning Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (kr1542.00 @ Proshop)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL32 Memory  (kr1421.93 @ Amazon Sweden)
Video Card: Inno3D Twin X2 GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  (kr6790.00 @ Proshop)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (kr1472.00 @ Amazon Sweden)
Total: kr15123.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-14 12:31 CEST+0200

I'd be very wary.

 

[Renegade042]

Can someone explain to me why you'd even buy the X version of a 7000 series.

Don't they have like 2% more performance than non-X which you'll loose once

you set your PBO curve to drop those temps.

[Somerandomtechyboi]

16 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I'd be very wary.

 

The best of the worst

Already suspected it months before this video even came out simply by comparing the b650m-h and the b650m pg lightning vrms alongside the a620m-hdv/m.2+ and seeing that theyre the same, then looking at the b650m hdv only to find that it has much beefier vrms

[podkall]

2 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I'd be very wary.

 

It's on the edge, the MB is chosen by budget filter for 7600 CPU, I guess should get better MB better with CPUs faster than 7600

 

1 hour ago, Renegade042 said:

Can someone explain to me why you'd even buy the X version of a 7000 series.

Don't they have like 2% more performance than non-X which you'll loose once

you set your PBO curve to drop those temps.

I guess when it's cheaper only, the 7000 didn't used to have a non-X version before, even when 7600 non-X existed

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 hour ago, podkall said:

 

It's on the edge, the MB is chosen by budget filter for 7600 CPU, I guess should get better MB better with CPUs faster than 7600

 

I guess when it's cheaper only, the 7000 didn't used to have a non-X version before, even when 7600 non-X existed

But like he said in the video, better boards aren't much more expensive and that leaves scope for future CPUs if AMD end up pushing the power budget higher.  Though given X3D will likely remain better for gaming, its unlikely on V-Cache chips which I suspect is the rationale they use for half-assing the VRMs on these.

That Gigabyte though, don't most MOSFET shuts down or go pop at around 125C?

 

5 hours ago, Oatplane said:

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D (3500 SEK)

ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Dual (8200 SEK), 227.2 millimeters long
Seasonic Focus GX 850W (1500 SEK)

 

Total: 13 200 SEK. 

 

Built back in 2018, now I'm looking for an upgrade. I currently have a 1080p 144hz monitor but after this upgrade I'll look into upgrading to 1440p with similar refresh-rate (120+ hz). 

 

Anything I'm missing, or should think about? I looked up my mobo and it should be compatible with a BIOS upgrade. Maybe I need some newer faster RAM?

Honestly I think that's fine, not worth upgrading the RAM to 3600MT IMO unless you are increasing the capacity too.

 

Upgrading to AM5 I think would be overkill.

[Oatplane]

First of all, thank you all for the comments! Very helpful and insightful, it seems that there are two general tracks: (1) Sticking to AM4 for now or (2) upgrading to AM5.

 

9 hours ago, podkall said:

idk how realistic this is for you, but according to pcpartpicker you might be able to squeeze:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  (kr3897.27 @ Amazon Sweden)
Motherboard: *ASRock B650M PG Lightning Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (kr1542.00 @ Proshop)
Memory: *Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6200 CL32 Memory  (kr1421.93 @ Amazon Sweden)
Video Card: Inno3D Twin X2 GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card  (kr6790.00 @ Proshop)
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (kr1472.00 @ Amazon Sweden)
Total: kr15123.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-14 12:31 CEST+0200

 

AM5 seems nice, do you think I can expect an increase in FPS from upgrading? The alternative would be to put the 3000 SEK towards a higher-end GPU, which would take me from a 4070 to a 4070 Ti Super (or I could save the money and buy a 1440p high refresh-rate OLED sooner).

 

Is the 7700X comparable with the 5800X3D in terms of FPS?

 

6 hours ago, podkall said:

 

It's on the edge, the MB is chosen by budget filter for 7600 CPU, I guess should get better MB better with CPUs faster than 7600

 

I guess when it's cheaper only, the 7000 didn't used to have a non-X version before, even when 7600 non-X existed

 

I watched the video and if I understand correctly, there seems to be a few alternative motherboards without the VRM overheating problem that are still budget friendly:

 

1. ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 (1600 SEK)

2. Gigabyte B650M DS3H Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard (1999 SEK)

3. MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard (2290 SEK)

 

The ASRock board is almost the same cost, so that would still be roughly within budget.

[podkall]

9 minutes ago, Oatplane said:

AM5 seems nice, do you think I can expect an increase in FPS from upgrading? The alternative would be to put the 3000 SEK towards a higher-end GPU, which would take me from a 4070 to a 4070 Ti Super (or I could save the money and buy a 1440p high refresh-rate OLED sooner).

 

Is the 7700X comparable with the 5800X3D in terms of FPS?

is gaming more important than?:

 

10 hours ago, Oatplane said:

playing around with various NVIDIA-exclusive AI-features

 

[Oatplane]

5 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Honestly I think that's fine, not worth upgrading the RAM to 3600MT IMO unless you are increasing the capacity too.

 

Upgrading to AM5 I think would be overkill.

 

I think this is the most appealing option for now, I like the idea of avoiding to replace everything I it does not limit the system performance too much.

 

A question about upgrading the memory to 32 GB, what kind of memory would be suitable for my motherboard+for example a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D? My motherboard specifications says max memory frequency 3200Mhz, but maybe it can be overclocked somehow?

[Oatplane]

5 minutes ago, podkall said:

is gaming more important than?:

 

 

Haha, I guess that is a valid question. I do a lot of AI at work, I'm a PhD student in ML, so I would like to have a NVIDIA GPU to try things like FSR, DLSS and also CUDA compatibility would be a nice bonus. Don't get me wrong, AMD/Radeon's tech is also interesting, but they seem to generally be available to NVIDIA cards as well, so going with NVIDIA will allow me to do some comparison.

 

In short, I'm willing to sacrifice some FPS to have a NVIDIA card

[Renegade042]

Both paths are viable upgrades, a 5800 X3D will be a huge upgrade for him...

A 7800X3D costs 50$ more at newegg...

If you are spending 1400$ on an upgrade do you want 50$ stopping you from going 7800X3D?

Off course prices vary by region...

[Alex Atkin UK]

5 hours ago, Renegade042 said:

Both paths are viable upgrades, a 5800 X3D will be a huge upgrade for him...

A 7800X3D costs 50$ more at newegg...

If you are spending 1400$ on an upgrade do you want 50$ stopping you from going 7800X3D?

Off course prices vary by region...

Its just a lot of money to spend for double the performance of what they have now, when the 5800X3D should get them something like 80% of that performance for so much less cost.

 

8 hours ago, Oatplane said:

 A question about upgrading the memory to 32 GB, what kind of memory would be suitable for my motherboard+for example a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D? My motherboard specifications says max memory frequency 3200Mhz, but maybe it can be overclocked somehow?

Not sure about that board but generally 2x 16GB 3600MT CL18 is about the sweet spot.

[podkall]

2 hours ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Its just a lot of money to spend for double the performance of what they have now, when the 5800X3D should get them something like 80% of that performance for so much less cost.

exactly,

 

there's actually slightly less costly alternative of just getting 7600, even as the slowest CPU 7600 can slam games sometimes slightly being ahead of 5800x3D too,

 

this build is possible under 15,000 kr: (without shipping cost I guess maybe)

 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (kr2589.00 @ Komplett)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  (kr1844.00 @ Computersalg)
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (kr1500.00 @ Amazon Sweden)
Video Card: Inno3D Twin X2 GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card  (kr7590.00 @ Proshop)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold V2 ATX3.0 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (kr1094.80 @ Amazon Sweden)
Total: kr14617.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-15 09:15 CEST+0200

 

As I mentioned, despite 7600 being one of the cheapest AM5 it's relatively tied to 5800x3D while also being on the currently latest platform allowing upgrades.

 

The Asrock motherboard isn't best, but it's not bad either, it's even in the video few comments above performing decently.

 

As seen in various benchmarks and reviews, the 7600 maintains similar performance to a 5800x3D, even in productive applications: