How bad is the bottleneck?

[eltrieo]

I have an RTX 4080 and a Ryzen 9 5900x. I've had this pc since June 2023. Is the bottleneck really bad and will it cause damage to any components? I am fairly new to this.

[Dedayog]

Just now, eltrieo said:

I have an RTX 4080 and a Ryzen 9 5900x. I've had this pc since June 2023. Is the bottleneck really bad and will it cause damage to any components? I am fairly new to this.

How will it cause damage?  Why is that even a possibility in your mind?  Did you read this somewhere?  

 

PC parts don't hurt other parts unless wildly defective.  

 

What resolution are you playing?

 

 

[will0hlep]

Bottlenecks can't damage the machine

If your playing CIV6 at 240p then the bottleneck will be really bad.

If your playing hogwarts legacy at 8k then you won't have any bottleneck at all.

 

Bottlenecks exist in every machine. Sometimes they matter (depends on the games, the settings, the monitor, ect.), but usually (if the components were made at similar times) they don't. All a bottleneck means is that the performance of one of your components is limiting the performance of the others. Say your CPU can't do enough work to allow your GPU to reach its full potential or vice versa.

 

On a 4080+5900X machine you really don't need to worry about bottlenecks.

Please LTT, I beg you, do a video about bottlenecks to demonstrate "what a bottleneck is", "when it might matter" and "that bottleneck calculators are scams".

[Hellowpplz]

18 minutes ago, eltrieo said:

I have an RTX 4080 and a Ryzen 9 5900x. I've had this pc since June 2023. Is the bottleneck really bad and will it cause damage to any components? I am fairly new to this.

Did you remember the thermal paste on the cpu and remove any sticker off the cooler? (This is not making fun of them I remember when I first started I didn't know I needed thermal paste and toasted my cpu in fortnite ooof). Also make sure your monitor is plugged into the gpu and not the mobo. Idk about yall but I've done it too much!

[Dedayog]

27 minutes ago, eltrieo said:

I have an RTX 4080 and a Ryzen 9 5900x. I've had this pc since June 2023. Is the bottleneck really bad and will it cause damage to any components? I am fairly new to this.

Also, did you ever get your temps figured out?  You didn't respond to anyone...

 

 

[YoungBlade]

36 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Please LTT, I beg you, do a video about bottlenecks to demonstrate "what a bottleneck is", "when it might matter" and "that bottleneck calculators are scams".

They did a video a couple of years ago that clearly explains what a bottleneck is and and when it might matter. The only thing on your list that it doesn't do is point out that bottleneck calculators are worse than useless. And yet, here we are.

 

I don't know if this misconception is something that LTT alone could fix. At this point, I think that nothing short of a complete media blast where all the major outlets talk about how pointless bottleneck calculators are, and what bottlenecking entails, could make a dent in the misconceptions surrounding the topic.

 

[Stahlmann]

Without a bottleneck your fps would be infinite, because there would be nothing limiting it. So like other said, every single PC has a bottleneck somewhere in the chain. The real question you should ask is, if it's significant. And that's only something we can answer in the full context of your setup, the games you play and what you want out of that experience.

 

But in general, a 5900X and 4080 won't significantly bottleneck each other. Depending on the game and graphics settings the limiting component can be either of them.

[eltrieo]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

How will it cause damage?  Why is that even a possibility in your mind?  Did you read this somewhere?  

 

PC parts don't hurt other parts unless wildly defective.  

 

What resolution are you playing?

 

 

I was just wondering if it affects the other parts. I play on 1920×1080

[eltrieo]

1 hour ago, will0hlep said:

Bottlenecks can't damage the machine

If your playing CIV6 at 240p then the bottleneck will be really bad.

If your playing hogwarts legacy at 8k then you won't have any bottleneck at all.

 

Bottlenecks exist in every machine. Sometimes they matter (depends on the games, the settings, the monitor, ect.), but usually (if the components were made at similar times) they don't. All a bottleneck means is that the performance of one of your components is limiting the performance of the others. Say your CPU can't do enough work to allow your GPU to reach its full potential or vice versa.

 

On a 4080+5900X machine you really don't need to worry about bottlenecks.

Please LTT, I beg you, do a video about bottlenecks to demonstrate "what a bottleneck is", "when it might matter" and "that bottleneck calculators are scams".

alright, thank you 

[kitnoman]

In layman's term let me try to explain what happens between the gpu and cpu bottle neck. Let's say we are making an a comics/manga and we have two people, the writer and the artist. Now let's say the artist can draw 100 page per hour. However, the writer can only write 70 page of narrative per hour. In the end, their production speed would only be 70 per hour. That's the same with gpu and cpu. If the GPU is so much faster than the CPU, the GPU would have to wait for the CPU. that's why you see on system with major bottleneck, the CPU is at 100% utilization, but the GPU would go 50-70% then goes back down to something even just 10%, on extreme cases.
 

You have a power GPU, if you think it's experiencing bottleneck, which just means the GPU doesn't get to stretch it's legs and really work. In your case, which shouldn't really be an issue, just increase your resolution/monitor to 1440p and/or 4k.

[eltrieo]

57 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Also, did you ever get your temps figured out?  You didn't respond to anyone...

 

 

Yes, I had it checked and one of the fans wasn't connected properly. It's functioning normally again. Thank you for asking

[eltrieo]

Just now, kitnoman said:

In layman's term let me try to explain what happens between the gpu and cpu bottle neck. Let's say we are making an a comics/manga and we have two people, the writer and the artist. Now let's say the artist can draw 100 page per hour. However, the writer can only write 70 page of narrative per hour. In the end, their production speed would only be 70 per hour. That's the same with gpu and cpu. If the GPU is so much faster than the CPU, the GPU would have to wait for the CPU. that's why you see on system with major bottleneck, the CPU is at 100% utilization, but the GPU would go 50-70% then goes back down to someones even just 10%, on extreme cases.
 

You have a power GPU, if you think it's experiencing bottleneck, which just means the GPU doesn't get to stretch it's legs and really work. In your case, which shouldn't really be an issue, just increase your resolution/monitor to 1440p and/or 4k.

Yes Ive been considering purchasing a 1440p monitor

[eltrieo]

1 hour ago, eltrieo said:

I have an RTX 4080 and a Ryzen 9 5900x. I've had this pc since June 2023. Is the bottleneck really bad and will it cause damage to any components? I am fairly new to this.

I may have framed my question incorrectly. My main concern was whether the 5900x would be too weak for the 4080 and whether I should upgrade it or does it not really matter? I mainly play valorant, fortnite and some horror games.

[Dedayog]

7 minutes ago, eltrieo said:

I may have framed my question incorrectly. My main concern was whether the 5900x would be too weak for the 4080 and whether I should upgrade it or does it not really matter? I mainly play valorant, fortnite and some horror games.

No, for what you play it's more than fine.  It's only a generation back and an upper model at that.

 

Skip this gen and look at the next possibly. Most likely though at 1440p, your machine will last quite a few more years.

[eltrieo]

5 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

No, for what you play it's more than fine.  It's only a generation back and an upper model at that.

 

Skip this gen and look at the next possibly. Most likely though at 1440p, your machine will last quite a few more years.

I will also start streaming soon which will increase the load a bit

[will0hlep]

2 hours ago, YoungBlade said:

They did a video a couple of years ago that clearly explains what a bottleneck is and and when it might matter. The only thing on your list that it doesn't do is point out that bottleneck calculators are worse than useless. And yet, here we are.

Well the "Fake Audio Equipment" videos are often repeated and I think there are new angles to explore with a "Bottleneck video" (like bottleneck calculators). Alternatively, the could go after bottleneck and fps calculators.

As for the video, thanks for alerting me to its existance, clearly I missed that one. I think I might start linking people to it when they ask about bottlenecks.
 

2 hours ago, YoungBlade said:

I don't know if this misconception is something that LTT alone could fix. At this point, I think that nothing short of a complete media blast where all the major outlets talk about how pointless bottleneck calculators are, and what bottlenecking entails, could make a dent in the misconceptions surrounding the topic.

This is probably true though

[will0hlep]

1 hour ago, eltrieo said:

I will also start streaming soon which will increase the load a bit

Your GPU will do most of the work related to streaming, and given your playing CPU heavy titles it actually seems like a pretty good division of labour.