Win11 on Arm what run?

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Hey
I saw this Video:

 

Nope its not an Ad I dont know that guy... but when I see Win11 on a Phone it could give me maybe finally the option to do stuff when I take public Transport I dont want to do on an Tablet since the can be snatched away pretty quick... So does on the Phone run what some people mention the x86 emulation for non Arm Software?

Thanks!

[Donut417]

47 minutes ago, Required said:

Hey
I saw this Video:

 

Nope its not an Ad I dont know that guy... but when I see Win11 on a Phone it could give me maybe finally the option to do stuff when I take public Transport I dont want to do on an Tablet since the can be snatched away pretty quick... So does on the Phone run what some people mention the x86 emulation for non Arm Software?

Thanks!

Windows on ARM is a thing. Its been a thing since Windows 8. Hell there used to be a Windows Phone, thought it failed to gain significant market share and was discontinued. Actually the phone in the video is a Windows phone from back in the day. The version of Windows they are using is modified with all the bloat taken out. Its not officially supported by Microsoft. 

[GoodBytes]

I have the Lumia 950 XL

Windows 11 runs on it, yes. And you can run it much better than on the video if you disable Windows 11 added security features over Windows 10.

And will run even better once you disable Windows Defender. The Snapdragon 810 is one heck of old chip, and it was pretty much a disaster when it was new. Qualcomm was quick to release a newer chip and phone manufacturer quickly switch to it.

 

Anyways, Windows 11 won't run for long. Microsoft pulled support for such old SoCs. Rasbery Pi 4 is also expected to no longer work as result.

 

The biggest hurdle for the Lumia 950 XL experience with Windows 10 or 11, is the fact that there is no GPU drivers, and all other important system drivers are based on leaks drivers from some sort based and made for either the dev of the OS or for MS to test running Windows 10 on it. Good luck playing 240p YouTube video smoothly. The SoC can't handle it due to lack of proper GPU drivers.

 

Windows 10 Mobile drivers don't work under Windows 10. They are different OSs beside the name (technically, they share a lot between the 2x OSs, especially later builds of the OS, due to the OneCore project, but ultimately, it's still a very different OS), hence why the camera doesn't work under Windows 10 or 11. And while the community worked on custom drivers for some things to get it working like Wi-Fi. It's not all perfect. For example, not all the cores of the Snapdragon 810 are being used, and battery life is awful (no power saving feature works, everything goes max performance, all the time. Idle or not)

 

Similar boat on Raspberry Pi 4 running Windows 10/11. No SD card drive, so disc activity is super slow, and tis the main reason why it takes ages to boot. And can only use 3GB of RAM and not the full 4 or 8GB (depending on model). No driver support.

 

Anyways, it is a fun cool project to play with. It's great to see that the device can have some kind of second life for those who has one. But aside from this, it isn't something you actually want to use. Under Windows 10 up until a certain version, the phone apps and Message apps are there and worked. So, you could still do calls and SMS just fine under Windows. Was pretty cool. This is gone now.

 

But anyway, if you want Windows 11 on ARM running properly and officially supported, you have the Microsoft Surface Pro 9 which is offered in both Intel and Microsoft SQ3 ARM SoC (A modified Qualcomm high end chip to MS specifications... mostly AI cores stuff being added). The device performs very well. It's issue, is that the price for performance is actually poor. Better get the Intel model, unless you REALLY want that long battery life, and 4G Network support, or you are a developer with interest in making your app for ARM64 Windows

 

It must be noted that:

Microsoft has a special contract with Qualcomm which limits MS to Qualcomm (so a bad deal for MS) for many years. And that Qualcomm doesn't see ARM64 on laptops and desktops. The direction of the company is still focus on phones and only phones. So, their SoC aren't tuned like Apple M series chips. It's more "Let's take our mobile SoC, specially tweaked and tuned for Android, and just tweak things to allow the chip to consume more power and clock a bit faster and call it a day", type of mentality, and not really putting R&D in making a good laptop chip. And MS being stuck, they over price that SoC to the next level. Also, they don't, like Apple, the advancements to help in the performance of x86/x86-64 translation perform better, as once again, they actually don't care, as they lack vision in having a third choice. And I think it only hurts them, hence why on the Server market, the big companies just make their own ARM chip as Qualcomm isn't serious. This will hurt Qualcomm in the long run. They'll miss the boat on consumer PCs and Server market.

 

And of course, as a result of all this, you really want to stick to ARM64 native apps for really the best experience, else performance will drop notably on you. So, you want to stick to Edge, Office, Windows native apps, and the few third-party apps, like VLC and Adobe apps which were made for AMR64 native.

 

So, all to say, you pay more, for a decent chip sure, but Intel, for much less, will deliver you a better experience due to the better performance.

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THX! I just looking for an <8" Device with full Win who can ran Open Office natively

[GoodBytes]

12 minutes ago, Required said:

THX! I just looking for an <8" Device with full Win who can ran Open Office natively

Unless Open Office has a native Windows 11 on ARM edition, you are in for a disaster with the Lumia 950 XL.

Heck, Spotify takes ages to load. But OK if you use the web browser version due that Edge is native ARM64 compiled.

 

The community is working on Windows 11 on Surface Duo. However, expect the same experience as Lumia 950XL where the lack of official drivers is really breaks the experience. Also, Surface Duo's are very expensive. Not to mention the chance to brick it in doing this, especially on such early project.