Keeping your memory, would you go back 10 years?

[Neroon]

9 hours ago, TetraSky said:

10 years ago, I didn't have the money to invest in bitcoin in the first place... Plus I'd be losing all my stupid diplomas I had to study for, meaning I would not be able to have a high paying job. But, if I'm given some time before being sent back 10 years, I would take my time memorizing the winning numbers for the lottery on a specific day 9 years prior (to ensure there's plenty of time in between. Wouldn't want to risk it having already happened)

I would definitely be taking out loans etc to pay for it. Not to mention I would work my ass of for more money.

10 years ago the price was under 100 dollars per BTC, but knowing it would go to 65k, I would know it was worth working my ass off for.

Even in just that year, the price went to 760, so any loan you had taken at the time, could be paid back with still like 600% profit. Hell at those profit margins you could go to loan sharks.

[steelfoxy]

On 3/29/2023 at 2:37 PM, Neroon said:

I'm way behind on WAN Shows, and just listened to this discussion and found it extremely interesting.

 

Luke said he would, because he would min-max his life. I think it would mostly be horrible and it wouldn't lead to min-max.

 

First of all we have the Butterfly Effect. This is the concept that even a butterfly can have huge impact on life. So for example, you get out of the house, and you see a butterfly, you pause to look at it for a few seconds, before you get in your car. You get on the road and instead of just getting in front of a slow moving vehicle, you get behind it. You get to the highway, but because you got there later, the whole positioning on the highway changes, which in turn can have a big impact. Maybe a car crash happens that otherwise would've have happened as well, but now you are part of it, whereas if there had been no butterfly, you would have been in front of it. Instead of being on time for your date, you get stuck, and you don't meet your possible future partner because they left because they didn't hear from you, because you were busy filling in forms. But maybe that's a good thing, because instead of dating that person for a few months, you meet up with someone else who is the one.

You get the picture, so even the tiniest change in life, like looking at a butterfly, can completely change your life. So Luke may think he is min maxing, and sure he can get all the money through bitcoin, his life could get much worse except for his finances.

 

For me the biggest thing would be is to live with these changes. Say you get rich from that money, and you buy your parents like a Tesla, you figure they should get something nice, you already know EV is the future, so you buy one. What if they get in a fatal car accident. Because maybe they start driving more, but also that car moves around much quicker. Now if you were to give one to your parents and they get in an fatal accident that was caused due to say acceleration, you would already feel bad about it most likely, but now you know that because you went back in time, changed things, they are now dead.

 

And then the last one would be taking care of the people around you. I don't know about you guys, but I know people who have committed suicide, most of it through my job, but also people somewhat closer to me (luckily no one really close), like a good friend of my sister, a 16 year old girl who lives close to me etc. What would that do to my life? I would not want that to happen again, so what would that do to my life? As a professional I know that people who end up committing suicide, are likely to do it no matter what you do, and even if you can prevent it, it likely will not mean they have a happy life. To be clear, this is not an absolute, not at all, just saying it's really tough. So if I wanted to save those lives, that would take over my life.

 

I just can't imagine that going back would end up being good for me. Also none of this is even looking at who you are as a person now vs then. I'm sure Luke is not the same person now, as he was back then, just like any of us, so how would that work with the others? Also knowing other peoples fuck ups, would you react the same, or try to prevent them? How would that go? What would happen to those relationships?

 

I feel that unless you are deeply unsatisfied about your life now, and by going back you can make a real change that has a real positive impact on life (and honestly, bitcoin money is probably not gonna be a positive change - billionaires are pretty much all assholes), I just don't think you should do it.

 

So here would do it anyway?

As a person i made multiple mistakes that cost me a lot emotionally and i still can not sleep because of some of them. Even i can't fix them i'd go back and kept myself in school, fulfill my potential i had in a academic way. I have many regrets and i guess i can be the son my parents asked if i could go 10 years back. I could be with my grandma when she passed away. I could be with my friend when she had her open heart operation(she is fine now but at the first she had many problems) and i could've done much more. Yes. Yes i'd go 10 years back immediately.

[RokinAmerica]

Life is good and I am very happy. However, I am mid 60's and kids all grown. Hell yes, I would like added 10 years it would effectively give me.

[AltReality]

You would be stupid not to.

 

I would have more money, more girls and made better decisions 

[GTC]

On 3/29/2023 at 4:11 PM, WildDagwood said:

I think the weirdest part would be separating your old memories from the current reality at times.

What if as you live you overwrite the memories of the previous past.

So 5 years in, you'll remember the last 5 years based on the original 10 you lived through but you won't remember the first 5 years. Only the new last 5 years...

 

(Obviously this gets tricky because the future years will stop making sense but just a thought I had)

[airborne spoon]

Going back 10 years would be great. Think about it, I got 99 problems and money could solve 98 of them.

 

Yeah I'm retired now but if I had more money and I made 1 small change a few years ago I'd be in an entirely better place right now. (That small change is to not call a annoying person a cunt on Facebook, why do Americans hate that word so much BTW?)

[mwagen]

Heck yeah i'd go back. I honestly think about that scenario all the time because of how many things I screwed up in my life. I wasted a lot of money, wasted education/career opportunities, lost friends, wrecked my health in various ways, my biggest regret by far being hearing damage. 

 

And just imagine collecting as much BTC as you could and watching it 500x. 

[Stahlmann]

Knowing how the next 10 years play out is basically a guaranteed way to get rich. Why wouldn't i?

[Isuck Assimov]

Yea sure. DDR4 came out in 2014, so if i kept my memory and went back 10 years I would nearly be at the point where I can use it with a PC.

People that already run DDR5 are less lucky when they take their memory back 10 years.

Hope this helped clear the confusion.

[YellowJersey]

Ten years? Probably not. Too much shit happened between then and now and I wouldn't have enough money to capitalise on my knowledge of what investments to make. To be honest, the older I get, the more okay I get with the fact that I'm going to die someday.

[Agall]

On 5/3/2023 at 1:04 AM, Isuck Assimov said:

Yea sure. DDR4 came out in 2014, so if i kept my memory and went back 10 years I would nearly be at the point where I can use it with a PC.

People that already run DDR5 are less lucky when they take their memory back 10 years.

Hope this helped clear the confusion.

You'd have the chad level RAM kit from the future that can get all those benchmarking records. Imagine the clout.

[Agall]

On 5/3/2023 at 1:02 AM, Stahlmann said:

Knowing how the next 10 years play out is basically a guaranteed way to get rich. Why wouldn't i?

You have to have money first for this to work.

[Neroon]

29 minutes ago, Agall said:

You have to have money first for this to work.

Well that wouldn't be hard. We all know about tough times etc. But if you know where BTC went, you can just take any loan out that you can, max credit cards, and of course work, and you will be rich very quickly.

[Agall]

1 minute ago, Neroon said:

Well that wouldn't be hard. We all know about tough times etc. But if you know where BTC went, you can just take any loan out that you can, max credit cards, and of course work, and you will be rich very quickly.

Depending on how old you are, it might not be possible to get enough credit to do that. 10 years ago me was still in high school and getting ready for military service.

 

Me personally, I don't think I have the temperament to succeed in the nuclear program I went through at my age now. Looking back I'm unsure how I had the tenacity to get through it, and I'm very comfortable with where I am now. I'd rather not mess that up with time travel, even if I'd be +10 years more intelligent (and sort of know the future).

 

Most the people here would reasonably just buy a bunch of bitcoin and sell before it crashed, but who knows how that'd affect the market with even just one person. Butterfly effect in action. 

[IkeaGnome]

No, because anything I would change wouldn't lead me to where I am now. 

[Ultraforce]

Yes, 100% a lot of my biggest regrets are from around the last 10 years of being indecisive and not properly utilizing my chances or my skills. Given that I spent most of university regretting decisions I had made in prior years of Uni as well as high school while it might make me lose some of my friends that I've made recently I'd definitely go back 10 years ago. Heck, even just being able to talk to myself 10 years ago I feel like could be somewhat useful.

There's also a few very specific things I would do trading wise but would likely not do much of bitcoin stuff and more so just other investments which looking back I had a bad feeling about but kept regardless and lost $15k on.

[HopelessGPU]

Yes if I can go back 16 years. 

[ThousandBlade]

On 3/31/2023 at 2:40 PM, Neroon said:

I would definitely be taking out loans etc to pay for it. Not to mention I would work my ass of for more money.

10 years ago the price was under 100 dollars per BTC, but knowing it would go to 65k, I would know it was worth working my ass off for.

Even in just that year, the price went to 760, so any loan you had taken at the time, could be paid back with still like 600% profit. Hell at those profit margins you could go to loan sharks.

 

 

Loan sharks usually need 10% interest per month.

And they don't just give money out to anybody.

[Bombastinator]

36 minutes ago, ThousandBlade said:

 

 

Loan sharks usually need 10% interest per month.

And they don't just give money out to anybody.

There’s a couple reasons for that.  Anything more than 19.9% annual compounded continuously is illegal (called predatory lending) in the US and is treated in the courts as a 0% loan.  So if the victim goes to court the loan shark loses big.  Also the loan shark is mostly after chattel slaves.  The chances the loans will be paid back are close to zero, so the real value is the work ability of the victim.  If the victim has no work ability he is valueless.  This is why the belt and road loans are repetitively called predatory even though they’re only 4%. The chances they will be paid back is also near zero.  China is effectively buying countries.

[ThousandBlade]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

There’s a couple reasons for that.  Anything more than 19.9% annual compounded continuously is illegal (called predatory lending) in the US and is treated in the courts as a 0% loan.  So if the victim goes to court the loan shark loses big.  Also the loan shark is mostly after slaves.  The chances the loans will be paid back are close to zero, so the real value is the work ability of the victim.  If the victim has no work ability he is valueless.

I'm pretty sure loan sharks don't care about the court lol

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, ThousandBlade said:

I'm pretty sure loan sharks don't care about the court lol

Sure they do.  It’s why they enforce their agreements with violence.  The courts won’t help them.  They want the interest more than the principal.  It’s a lot larger.  In theory it’s merely huge, but in practice it’s infinite.

[Holmes108]

9 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

 Anything more than 19.9% annual compounded continuously is illegal (called predatory lending) in the US and is treated in the courts as a 0% loan.  

Wow! It's 60% in Canada to be a criminal interest rate (Usury). From what I've seen 59.99% interest rates seem largely reserved for things like payday loans, but high risk lenders charging 30-40% is pretty commonplace.

[wanderingfool2]

On 5/4/2023 at 12:16 PM, Agall said:

You have to have money first for this to work.

That would depend on what the rules of the time-travel would be.  If you knew you could lets say hit a button and be sent back exactly 10 years then it means you can do research.

 

Specifically you could target horse races/gambling (I am against betting/gambling but if you knew the outcome it's not really gambling).  Now your betting will have an impact on future events, so the results would only be predictable for a short period of time...but more than enough time to take the money you have and like 10x - 20x it.  You can also take a risk on memorizing the lottery numbers and time traveling to the point where you could buy a lotto ticket shortly before the deadline.  That makes it the least likely to mess up the algorithm...or lookup scratch and win winners in your area and note the time/date and serial number of the major win...that way you could buy that ticket.

 

But also specifically, Etherium was created in 2015...so if one got to choose when going back in time, you could wait another 2 years and then mine Etherium and become a millionaire that way...you would be able to mine so much Etherium and also purchase it from people.  At the point of the crash you would sell it and then rebuy it after the crash as well...so you could easily become a billionaire.

[DeerDK]

I have two kids that I love, that are younger than 10. So no. I wouldn't risk their existence, even if I could ride the crypto waves and get rich. 

[Neroon]

16 hours ago, ThousandBlade said:

 

 

Loan sharks usually need 10% interest per month.

And they don't just give money out to anybody.

And 10% would absolutely not be a problem if you know how the price will go. And the discussion isn't who would or wouldn't lend me money at what percentage and under what circumstances etc. The point is that if you know what will happen, there is no risk.