1080 TI vs 3070

[Lord Szechenyi]

After the Tier List video, it got me thinking, what's better between the 1080 ti and the 3070?

 

Obviously not from a performance standpoint cause the 3070 win easy, but rather the impact of the cards.

 

The 1080 TI is still relevant and was such a powerful card when it came out

 

As for the 3070, it's a 2080 TI

[aDoomGuy]

6 minutes ago, Lord Szechenyi said:

it's a 2080 TI

With a 2060 memory bus....

[RONOTHAN##]

The 1080 Ti is a card that cost $700 and still holds up 6 years later against $300 GPUs easily, compared to most other generations where the top end cards stopped competing that high end after 1-2 years. It's the card that Nvidia will never release again because it was impossible to compete with. 

 

The 30 series was really only as good as it was because of how bad the 20 series was in comparison. If the 20 series wasn't a steaming pile of garbage like it turned out to be the 3070 really wouldn't be held in that high a regard.

[Mark Kaine]

2 hours ago, aDoomGuy said:

With a 2060 memory bus....

but it only cost half as much, so the clear winner imo . actually incredible value. and yes that was still true during the price hikes , up to a point. 

 

i could have never bought a 2080ti, a 3070 was a complete nobrainer instead. 

2 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The 30 series was really only as good as it was because of how bad the 20 series was in comparison. If the 20 series wasn't a steaming pile of garbage like it turned out to be the 3070 really wouldn't be held in that high a regard.

yeah, maybe, on the other hand i couldn't have afforded a 1080ti either... 1000 bucks ... prices here were crazy around that time... 

 

Now they're selling 4070ti for 1000 bucks upwards... seems like better value but again only because its compared to the ridiculously  priced 3090(ti) onsidering this should be a 4070 actually and not cost more than 500 really.  (as its the 3070 successor, by name)

 

 

Technically they just doubled the prices for "midrange" ? 

 

 

 

[aDoomGuy]

9 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

but it only cost half as much, so the clear winner imo . actually incredible value. and yes that was still true during the price hikes , up to a point. 

 

i could have never bought a 2080ti, a 3070 was a complete nobrainer instead

Oh snap. I don't know why I somehow though this was about 4070 (Ti).

 

Yeah 3070 was pretty good. 1080Ti and such cards IMO are just there to entice buyers shopping at a lower end. I can't imagine much money is made at such price points, but when you're top of the benchmarks many buyers will think they should buy the little sibling.

 

16 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Technically they just doubled the prices for "midrange" ?

Yes, yes they did and also downgraded the memory to X060 card standard.

[Mark Kaine]

15 minutes ago, aDoomGuy said:

Oh snap. I don't know why I somehow though this was about 4070 (Ti).

 

Yeah 3070 was pretty good. 1080Ti and such cards IMO are just there to entice buyers shopping at a lower end. I can't imagine much money is made at such price points, but when you're top of the benchmarks many buyers will think they should buy the little sibling.

yeah, i wasn't sure what you meant with that, but i thought I'd inform you anyway that the 3070 was indeed much "better value" = )

 

And yeah, i agree, that seems always the intention behind cards like the 1008ti... they don't expect to sell many, it's really just for marketing purposes (iirc 1080ti had really low % in the steam surveys,  and 940mx or something was leading overall )

 

 

it seems to be working for them because now people think 2000+ is "good value" (for a 4090) lol... 

[aDoomGuy]

2 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

it seems to be working for them because now people think 2000+ is "good value" (for a 4090) lol...

I know. Crazy times man... Crazy times.

 

I shudder to think about future generations though. Hope this rig will last a long long time before something breaks.

[thrasher_565]

6 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

yeah, i wasn't sure what you meant with that, but i thought I'd inform you anyway that the 3070 was indeed much "better value" = )

 

And yeah, i agree, that seems always the intention behind cards like the 1008ti... they don't expect to sell many, it's really just for marketing purposes (iirc 1080ti had really low % in the steam surveys,  and 940mx or something was leading overall )

 

 

it seems to be working for them because now people think 2000+ is "good value" (for a 4090) lol... 

 

ya i think the mining changed everything. i belave people used 1080 for mining? but that's probably why it was $800 and then dare i say it the titan $1000...

 

i got a $750 gtx 1080 around xmiss time and that was the most i ever spent on a gpu(untill i spent $2000 on a 3090...)... but now since how good it stil is i dont feel as bad. at one point i got a 1080 off ebay for $350 and sold it for $450 in like a week...

 

 

9 hours ago, Lord Szechenyi said:

After the Tier List video, it got me thinking, what's better between the 1080 ti and the 3070?

 

Obviously not from a performance standpoint cause the 3070 win easy, but rather the impact of the cards.

 

The 1080 TI is still relevant and was such a powerful card when it came out

 

As for the 3070, it's a 2080 TI

hmm well the 1080ti came out in Mar 10th, 2017 and it beats the preformace for games form

Radeon VII Feb 7th, 2019
Radeon RX 5700 XT Jul 7th, 2019
Arc A770 Oct 12th, 2022
rtx 3060 Jan 12th, 2021
rtx 2070 Oct 17th, 2018
2060 super Jul 9th, 2019
rx 6600 Oct 13th, 2021
a750 arc Oct 12th, 2022
rx 5700 Jul 7th, 2019
rtx 2060 Jan 7th, 2019

 

(well there more gpus that's newer then 2017 but you get the point... )

 

do we need to say more? not only that its the last quad sli cards? or was that the 2080 ti? but any way... and they became cheap for a short time when 2080 launched. 

Edited February 17, 2023 by thrasher_565

[Fendrick]

The 3070 is just as fast as the 2080 Ti, faster in games demanding RT, but lacks VRAM, 8GB is now becoming not enough at 1440p.

[Lord Szechenyi]

4 hours ago, Fendrick said:

The 3070 is just as fast as the 2080 Ti, faster in games demanding RT, but lacks VRAM, 8GB is now becoming not enough at 1440p.

Lacking VRAM, yes sure

 

not being enough for 1440p???

You must be using the card wrong, cause I play in 4K and the RTX 3070 delivers as expected.

 

(and while I do play less demanding games/older games, I also play Hitman 3 which can sometimes struggle on the absolute highest settings and yet the 3070 delivers)

[HardStroke]

18 minutes ago, Lord Szechenyi said:

Lacking VRAM, yes sure

 

not being enough for 1440p???

You must be using the card wrong, cause I play in 4K and the RTX 3070 delivers as expected.

 

(and while I do play less demanding games/older games, I also play Hitman 3 which can sometimes struggle on the absolute highest settings and yet the 3070 delivers)

8gb or vram is really low for higher resolutions

Even at 1080p in some games

When I play FH5 at 1080P with all of the settings set to the max, my 8gb 2080 does struggle

Because of its 8gb of vram, not the "lack of power"

I would go for a good used 2080Ti over a 3070

As for the 1080Ti, this is one of the only S+ tier cards to ever release

We are almost 6 years after its release and its still crapping over newer cards

If you don't care about RT, it really is the best bang for your buck

This card is an Absolut beast

[Lord Szechenyi]

13 minutes ago, HardStroke said:

When I play FH5 at 1080P with all of the settings set to the max, my 8gb 2080 does struggle

That's because it's a 2080, not the VRAM

 

As I've said, I have 8gb of VRAM and for games it's plenty.

[HardStroke]

13 minutes ago, Lord Szechenyi said:

That's because it's a 2080, not the VRAM

 

As I've said, I have 8gb of VRAM and for games it's plenty.

Its just not anymore

I get 60-80 FPS but a warning of not enough vram will pop up

3070 is not that great

The 8gb of vram just don't make sense in a card like this

 

[Lord Szechenyi]

2 hours ago, HardStroke said:

Its just not anymore

I get 60-80 FPS but a warning of not enough vram will pop up

3070 is not that great

The 8gb of vram just don't make sense in a card like this

 

well maybe you are doing something wrong, but I know I don't have problems

[Fendrick]

5 hours ago, Lord Szechenyi said:

Lacking VRAM, yes sure

 

not being enough for 1440p???

You must be using the card wrong, cause I play in 4K and the RTX 3070 delivers as expected.

 

(and while I do play less demanding games/older games, I also play Hitman 3 which can sometimes struggle on the absolute highest settings and yet the 3070 delivers)

Far Cry 6 and Hogwarts Legacy beg to differ.

[SteveGrabowski0]

On 2/16/2023 at 3:40 PM, RONOTHAN## said:

The 1080 Ti is a card that cost $700 and still holds up 6 years later against $300 GPUs easily, compared to most other generations where the top end cards stopped competing that high end after 1-2 years. It's the card that Nvidia will never release again because it was impossible to compete with. 

 

The 30 series was really only as good as it was because of how bad the 20 series was in comparison. If the 20 series wasn't a steaming pile of garbage like it turned out to be the 3070 really wouldn't be held in that high a regard.

Whereas the 3070 isn't beating the $360 RX 6700 XT by much any more.

[SteveGrabowski0]

8 hours ago, Lord Szechenyi said:

Lacking VRAM, yes sure

 

not being enough for 1440p???

You must be using the card wrong, cause I play in 4K and the RTX 3070 delivers as expected.

 

(and while I do play less demanding games/older games, I also play Hitman 3 which can sometimes struggle on the absolute highest settings and yet the 3070 delivers)

3070 loses to the 6700 XT by 10 fps and to the 3060 12GB by 20 fps in Gamegpu.ru's Doom Eternal 1440p RT test. 4k RT is even worse where the 3060 12GB can manage 45 fps but the 3070 only gets 17 fps in their testing.

 

https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/doom-eternal-test-rtx

 

3070 would have been such an awesome gpu with 12GB but putting 8GB on it was just Nvidia pulling an Apple and doing planned obsolescence. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

1080 Ti might have been the best high end gpu I have ever seen. Yeah $700 was steep but six years later that card is still something that can play 1440p60 in a ton of recent AAA games if you drop to high settings. Pretty comparable to the 6650 XT at 1440p.

[QuantumSingularity]

Even from performance standpoint when you take price into consideration, the 1080Ti just wipes the floor with the 3070, not in small part thanks to AMD actually and their free to use FSR. It's the only reason that is still making it possible for me to hold my current 1070 (not even close to 1080Ti), gaming with 140+FPS at 1440p High/Ultra details and not paying absurd amount of money for it. I refuse and WON'T pay $700+ for at best mid-tier GPU.

[Fendrick]

8 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Even from performance standpoint when you take price into consideration, the 1080Ti just wipes the floor with the 3070, not in small part thanks to AMD actually and their free to use FSR. It's the only reason that is still making it possible for me to hold my current 1070 (not even close to 1080Ti), gaming with 140+FPS at 1440p High/Ultra details and not paying absurd amount of money for it. I refuse and WON'T pay $700+ for at best mid-tier GPU.

My father has a 1070 and struggles with some games in 1080P let alone 1440P, but yes keep telling everyone how superior the 10 series is. Never gets boring.

 

 

[QuantumSingularity]

10 minutes ago, Fendrick said:

My father has a 1070 and struggles with some games in 1080P let alone 1440P, but yes kep telling everyone how superior the 10 series is. Never gets boring.

For a $100 it's far better experience than $600+ 3070. That's why i noted the price difference.  

[Fendrick]

28 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

For a $100 it's far better experience than $600+ 3070. That's why i noted the price difference.  

No the experience is factually far worse., the 3070 absolutely decimates the 1070, however the 3070 is likely the last card I would look to as a choice, RX 6800 XT / 6900 sounds a much better choice for not much more and way way faster performance.

 

The 1080 Ti whilst it was a good card is very old now and shows it's age depending on the title, seen the RTX 2060 out pace it in games like Far Cry 6 and one or two others.

Plus it draws considerably more power for less performance.

 

The solution is not to go backwards but grab something current with great performance.

 

Lets say you find a 6900 XT for 600 bucks, it's around 30% faster than a 3070 at that same cost and if it is an AIB card it will be clocked higher from the factory closer to the slightly better 6950 XT which has an 8% lead over a stock 6900 XT. Level with a 3080 Ti class GPU or 3090. Around 50% faster than a 1080 Ti.

 

So 38% better performance for the cost of a RTX 3070 with twice the Vram.

 

The 6800 XT is on average around 7% slower than a 6900 XT and may be found for around 500 bucks, no brainer.

 

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx6800xt-pgd-16go/p/N82E16814930049?Item=N82E16814930049&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fpcpartpicker.com%2f&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-aaqliiqUDsYdHZTvGqSAkQ

 

 

1070 vs 3070.

 

 

 

 

3070 vs 6900XT.

 

[QuantumSingularity]

14 minutes ago, Fendrick said:

No the experience is factually far worse., the 3070 absolutely decimates the 1070, however the 3070 is likely the last card I would look to as a choice, RX 6800 XT / 6900 sounds a much better choice for not much more and way way faster performance.

 

The 1080 Ti whilst it was a good card is very old now and shows it's age depending on the title, seen the RTX 2060 out pace it in games like Far Cry 6 and one or two others.

Plus it draws considerably more power for less performance.

 

The solution is not to go backwards but grab something current with great performance.

 

Lets say you find a 6900 XT for 600 bucks, it's around 30% faster than a 3070 at that same cost and if it is an AIB card it will be clocked higher from the factory closer to the slightly better 6950 XT which has an 8% lead over a stock 6900 XT. Level with a 3080 Ti class GPU or 3090. Around 50% faster than a 1080 Ti.

 

So 38% better performance for the cost of a RTX 3070 with twice the Vram.

 

The 6800 XT is on average around 7% slower than a 6900 XT and may be found for around 500 bucks, no brainer.

 

 

1070 vs 3070.

 

 

 

 

3070 vs 6900XT.

 

I am well aware of both GPUs performance. The problem with the 3060 and 3070, leaving AMD GPUs aside because they are the obvious choice in that tier, is that the performance has shifted and those prices make even less sense. If Nvidia's initial plan of making upscaling exclusive to the RTX GPUs had worked and it was the only solution, then the 3070 would've won easily. But since AMD gave away FSR and it's easy to add in any game, the GTX 1070 is still a very potent choice for 1440p with upscaling, easilly reaching above 80-100FPS, depending on your system. Don't get me wrong, the 10 series, isn't that legendary on its own - it's AMD who we have to thank for making it lasting so long. The real problem with the 3070 is that it's at best mid-tier GPU, but it cost high-tier money. And we saw that when NV were trying to slot in another 70 class GPU as an 80 class one, for a lot more money. And it worked. 4070Ti costs what a top tier GPU used to jsut 2 generation ago.

[Fendrick]

20 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

I am well aware of both GPUs performance. The problem with the 3060 and 3070, leaving AMD GPUs aside because they are the obvious choice in that tier, is that the performance has shifted and those prices make even less sense. If Nvidia's initial plan of making upscaling exclusive to the RTX GPUs had worked and it was the only solution, then the 3070 would've won easily. But since AMD gave away FSR and it's easy to add in any game, the GTX 1070 is still a very potent choice for 1440p with upscaling, easilly reaching above 80-100FPS, depending on your system. Don't get me wrong, the 10 series, isn't that legendary on its own - it's AMD who we have to thank for making it lasting so long. The real problem with the 3070 is that it's at best mid-tier GPU, but it cost high-tier money. And we saw that when NV were trying to slot in another 70 class GPU as an 80 class one, for a lot more money. And it worked. 4070Ti costs what a top tier GPU used to jsut 2 generation ago.

Times change, act now and get the experience you want or don't, market make the decisions based on demand and the decisions of the manufacturer (AMD or Nvidia) AIB's need to make a bit of money from the sale of their own cards so will charge a little extra.

 

Navigating things requires us to be adaptable if you can't keep up then simply let go, I can respect your 1070 choice, I agree on the perspective of value but to say it is a better experience, no but it does fill the emotional void of overspending and a good way to deceive yourself of having a good product performance wise. (Not all self deception is bad, inherently sometimes it is wiser to experience things emotionally than always from a factual basis especially items you pay for since you are trying to enjoy your purchase).

 

 

 

 

[QuantumSingularity]

The problem with the current market is that it's stuck in 2 years ago when supply was... let's say limited and demand was in a once i a lifetime rise. Companies liked their record breaking profits and think they can keep on topping them. Well, not gonna happen. Not unless individuals start buying GPUs again by the pallets.