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Oracle sued over collecting data on 5 Billion People, data larger than Google or Facebook.

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Privacy advocates have sued Oracle after they announced they had data on over 5 Billion users

 

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Oracle is the subject of a class-action suit alleging the software giant created a network containing personal information... and sold the data to third parties. The case is being brought by Johnny Ryan, formerly a policy officer at Brave, maker of the privacy-centric browser, and now part of the Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL). The ICCL claims Oracle has amassed detailed dossiers on 5 billion people which generates $42.4 billion in annual revenue. The allegations appear to be based... on an Oracle presentation from 2016 in which Oracle CTO and founder Larry Ellison described how data was collected so businesses could predict purchasing patterns. The ICCL claims Oracle's dossiers about people include names, home addresses, emails, purchases online and in the real world, physical movements in the real world, income, interests and political views, and a detailed account of online activity. "This is a Fortune 500 company on a dangerous mission to track where every person in the world goes, and what they do. We are taking this action to stop Oracle's surveillance machine."

 

My thoughts

Ah, yes, just publically admit in a presentation about how good your company is at collecting data and how much data it has, what could possibly go wrong. Regardless, if true, Oracle has data on 62% of the global population, which would be almost twice the amount of registered Facebook users, or 1.25 times the number of reported Google users. It really is staggering just how big BigData is.

 

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The Register (quote source)

California Lawsuit

2016 Presentation

Security Boulevard

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Something doesn't add up. It's estimated there are 5 billion users on the internet. https://www.statista.com/statistics/617136/digital-population-worldwide/

 

So you are telling me Oracle has details about every single user on the internet???

I suspect a large majority of the data is horseshit but there's so much of it the profits overlook the quality 

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11 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Something doesn't add up. It's estimated there are 5 billion users on the internet. https://www.statista.com/statistics/617136/digital-population-worldwide/

 

So you are telling me Oracle has details about every single user on the internet???

I suspect a large majority of the data is horseshit but there's so much of it the profits overlook the quality 

okay probably the number isn't 5b but still

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21 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

okay probably the number isn't 5b but still

Then what is it. You can't make wild claims that aren't based in anything and report a bombshell news story. It's a class action lawsuit so they better know how many individuals it affected 

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So, does it says anywhere how they were collecting that data? Is it through Java? Or through backend server stuff that we mere mortals have no control over?

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13 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Something doesn't add up. It's estimated there are 5 billion users on the internet. https://www.statista.com/statistics/617136/digital-population-worldwide/

 

So you are telling me Oracle has details about every single user on the internet???

I suspect a large majority of the data is horseshit but there's so much of it the profits overlook the quality 

Over 56 billion devices run Java, or about 7 devices per person. 


Regardless, this is what Oracle's CTO is claiming in terms of data collection. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some exaggeration 

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7 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

So, does it says anywhere how they were collecting that data? Is it through Java? Or through backend server stuff that we mere mortals have no control over?

That would never make it to the light of day. I assume since Oracle became TikToks "trusted technology partner" they got access to everything. Which also means TikTok is collecting data hard

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1 minute ago, rcmaehl said:

Over 56 billion devices run Java, or about 7 devices per person. 


Regardless, this is what Oracle's CTO is claiming in terms of data collection. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some exaggeration 

That makes more sense. But dummy to exaggerate as they probably have 10 instances of the same data on a user.  Which also means they have shitty data redundancy mitigation for their database 

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

Something doesn't add up. It's estimated there are 5 billion users on the internet. https://www.statista.com/statistics/617136/digital-population-worldwide/

 

So you are telling me Oracle has details about every single user on the internet???

I suspect a large majority of the data is horseshit but there's so much of it the profits overlook the quality 

I think the closer estimate would be 3 Billion, per java's installation screen.

 

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5 minutes ago, williamcll said:

I think the closer estimate would be 3 Billion, per java's installation screen.

 

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No, no. That was updated in May to 56. r/programmerhumor had a massive circlejerk about it for like a week. I remember it vividly 

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30 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

So, does it says anywhere how they were collecting that data? Is it through Java? Or through backend server stuff that we mere mortals have no control over?

I'm sure there's various methods they're not going to disclose but the lawsuit names

  • Cookies
  • Javascript
  • Tracking Pixels
  • Device IDs (IMEI, MAC Address, iOS and Android Mobile Advertising ID)
  • "Cross Device Tracking"
  • AddThis (a popular way to share content from websites)
  • Datalogix (an existing broker)
  • Other Third Parties

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12 minutes ago, williamcll said:

I think the closer estimate would be 3 Billion, per java's installation screen.

 

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Huh so somehow devices = people & 3B = 5B

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The ICCL claims Oracle has amassed detailed dossiers on 5 billion people which generates $42.4 billion in annual revenue

I always hate it when articles decide to quote things such as this.  It is so utterly misleading.  To be clear, Oracle had an annual revenue of $42 billion, not that they generated that 42 billion from the information on people.

 

With that said, the video is going to start making it a very high hurdle for Oracle to rationalize...given the claim that they are getting information even on what isle someone is in.  I am assuming he really was talking in the hyperbole (or using purchase data to figure out).  With that said, I'd imagine that they might be able to wiggle out of this by claiming the information they gathered are from clients who provided them with data.  That would pretty much absolve them if they can claim the data they were working on was thought to be "allowed" by the people providing that information.  Then again that does fail when you consider that they can't really claim ignornance.

 

It also seems like they were using web scrapping to get some of that information.  Will be interesting to see where this goes.  While I'm not against companies using public information (like if you have a public facebook profile) I am against direct location tracking of a particular person.  I don't mind targeted ads, even targeted ads based on location, but I don't like the concept of linking a person to a location at a given time/day.

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Something doesn't add up. It's estimated there are 5 billion users on the internet. https://www.statista.com/statistics/617136/digital-population-worldwide/

 

So you are telling me Oracle has details about every single user on the internet???

I suspect a large majority of the data is horseshit but there's so much of it the profits overlook the quality 

Odds are it's actually 1 billion users and 5 copies of everyone via different identifiers. If you get Junk mail in the States, you understand that everyone apparently lives in 5 places at once with multiple variations of your name at those spots.

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Wow you people actually have no idea how big bigData really is do you? I work for a company highly highly focused on marketing and let me tell you something they can buy anything they want to know from you. O and I bet you didn't know your iphone still tracks everything you do the only difference between before and after implementing their new "security" is who is the databroker now it's coming straight from Apple and then sold through certain channels as to distance themselves from the data. 

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2 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Odds are it's actually 1 billion users and 5 copies of everyone via different identifiers. If you get Junk mail in the States, you understand that everyone apparently lives in 5 places at once with multiple variations of your name at those spots.

So how can they make so much money off if it then? If most of the data they sell to advertisers is fake there will be terrible conversion and click through rates and no one will partner with that ad firm. So I assume advertising companies have a way of validating if you are real beyond traditional means we know of like fingerprint, cross device, and hardware addresses.  

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2 hours ago, BuckGup said:

So how can they make so much money off if it then? If most of the data they sell to advertisers is fake there will be terrible conversion and click through rates and no one will partner with that ad firm. So I assume advertising companies have a way of validating if you are real beyond traditional means we know of like fingerprint, cross device, and hardware addresses.  

It's a tad outside of the scope of the forums, but there's only 1 type of entity with enough resources to pay that much for User Data. Though it's filtered through enough intermediaries that you'll never fully prove it. Just takes a little thought.

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