The Apple Consipiracy

[Xquisite]

So today I saw a video which was, for the most part true. Now I don't mean to start a fight. Need all of your humble opinions on this video because I found most of it true. 

http://youtu.be/TAe-vWuTRrU

 

 

PS. Will anyone tell me how to embed a youtube video in a post?

[DarrenP]

Complete crock off shit. 

[HeathCliff]

PS. Will anyone tell me how to embed a youtube video in a post?

 

Type the full url of the video, not the mobile url link.

 

[Jerakl]

Seems legit. 

Interesting.

[TheNinjaNextDor]

My mom has a Macbook from 2010 and it's still in perfect working order; just as fast as when she bought it. It's now running OS X Mavericks.

[pmarion427]

apple is the worst case of planned obsolescence; however, a LOT of companies do it.

 

ps: mistake in the title

[Paralectic]

Another conspiracy, sigh.

[xrex64]

Another conspiracy, sigh.

A conspiracy is just another viewpoint. If we never had some outward reaching viewpoints then a lot of things would have never happened in our history. 

[StingBull]

No product is made to last forever. This isn't a new concept.

[s3ns3]

Another conspiracy, sigh.

hey this is alltime10s you are talking about

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well i agree with most part

 

i mean 600$ to upgrade ram? and five point screws??

[Fred Castellum]

Another conspiracy, sigh.

Do you feel negative about the topic just because it was called a conspiracy, due to the fact conspiracy usually have a negative and invalid stigma that goes along with them?

 

Or is this actually based off of your intuition? Perhaps it would be different if another word besides conspiracy was used here.  

[MegaDave91]

I have 2nd gen iPod Touch that works fine. I don't use it but it still turns on. My brother has a refurb MBP from 2008 that still works.

[Redportal]

Sorry guys, but I have to agree with the video on this one. I know that a number of company's do this already and I personally believe apple is one of them.

[GoodBytes]

I don't really agree with it but also agree with it, kinda.

The problem is that:

1- No one forces anyone to upgrade. You don't have to get the new iOS for your old phone. You don't have to change your old phone either. It is the consumer that decides to upgrade. Battery replacement is not the price of a new phone. Apple has a service to change the battery, However, other company's don't. Example: Microsoft with the Surface line of products, to name 1 out of a quiet a bit selection. However,

 

 2- The fact of blocking servicing the device is mostly to keep the manufacture profits up. In addition, devices where everything is shut close is due to a mix of regulations and minimizing space. For example, Lithium ion batteries needs to be put in an enclosure. So you can put it in an enclosure, or the use the device as an enclosure. If anyone sues the company because they did something to burst the battery and lost their hand, well the manufacture is protected, as the device was well protected, to not be serviceable. Try and pry open a replaceable battery, it's glued shut and uses snaps as well as added re-reinforcements. Regulation requirements that it is well closed, and the company is protecting their butt from lawsuits.

 

3- The consumer decides. Right now, the consumer is voting for slimmer non serviceable devices.. they usually change their mind the moment their device breaks, but they are fine continuing to pick these closed devices. Companies follows the market. When consumers will demand for serviceable devices and won't mind for them to be a bit bigger then things will change. So it is a mentality.

 

You want an example, or some level of proof of this:

Right now, if you have an ad for a product highlighting how easy it is to service, no one will care. If you saw such ad, would you run and buy it? You would probably go: "Man it is much thicker.... and the CPU isn't as powerful and the other product... I'll go with the other non service product". That is for sure.

 

Dell Latitude E series.. 1 screw large slide out panel, gives you FULL internal access to the system. About 8 or so screws, and the motherboard is out. and you are holding an empty chassis.

Full service manual is also included for all Dell laptops on the company website. Do anyone care? Nope. At no point in time i have read or heard anyone say that they prefer to get the Dell system, because it is serviceable, let alone just have a full document on how to service the system, complete with images, where it is so simple, you look like you worked at the factory making these.

 

 

4 - Many Apple users uses second hand systems. Despite the looks of it, the way Apple users work, is that they are either buying used devices as second hand, or selling their first hand devices, to buy the newer model. That is why after priced of second hand market of Apple product is high. People that sale their device to buy the new one, puts a high prices to minimize the losses of the new device. The results: all prices are for second hand are high, and demand for second hand is high as well, keeping those prices are up.

 

Consumers for the other brands wants everything new, the majority of them. So, the demand for second hand market is low, and you have a trust issues that exists. Because Apple products are not serviceable, it increases the trust level of the second hand product. I know that you didn't overclock the system and burned the processor or something as you can't. I know you didn't remove the internals or changed something inside, because you can't. If you had to send it for repair, the chances that it is an Apple certified location is high, therefore I believe more that the device has been properly repaired. As the device cost a lot, you probably took care of it, and got a case. Most iPhone users have cases. It is a huge market. For other phones? Not so much. People just stick in the in their pocket and go.

[Mooshi]

I have 2nd gen iPod Touch that works fine. I don't use it but it still turns on. My brother has a refurb MBP from 2008 that still works.

 

In contrast, I had a 4th gen iPod that crapped out on me, it got to the point where you could leave the thing plugged for hours to charge and it held a charge for about 2 minutes. And this ipod only really went from me to work and even then, it stayed in the truck.Lasted maybe 2 years.

 

Food for thought, an old outdated generic brand CD player still works. That is pretty telling.

[Guest]

So today I saw a video which was, for the most part true. Now I don't mean to start a fight. Need all of your humble opinions on this video because I found most of it true. 

http://youtu.be/TAe-vWuTRrU

 

 

PS. Will anyone tell me how to embed a youtube video in a post?

This is complete bullshit. Apple products I've owned far outlasted their alternatives. Just look at my good-as-new 2001 iMac, still churning away with the original hardware, 13 years later.

[EpicGeekonFire]

Complete Bullshit, the two year olds in the comments are blaming Apple for their screen cracking because their useless butterfinger hands can't hold glass and metal. So go buying effing plastic. 

 

*cough* Another crowd of idiots barely knew how these devices even work..... 

 

Savages......

[EpicGeekonFire]

In contrast, I had a 4th gen iPod that crapped out on me, it got to the point where you could leave the thing plugged for hours to charge and it held a charge for about 2 minutes. And this ipod only really went from me to work and even then, it stayed in the truck.Lasted maybe 2 years.

 

Food for thought, an old outdated generic brand CD player still works. That is pretty telling.

Batteries are fantastic things until you realize they don't last forever. They die out and loose life just like regular batteries in any device. You must have charged it too many times in the year, and the battery is wearing out.

[Askew]

The term is 'Planned Obsolescence'

 

In my opinion it was invented by the American motor industry.

[EpicGeekonFire]

Afaik, some people at iFixit worked at Apple and basically came to that conclusion. Isn't too hard to notice when they decided to use some sort of alien technology screws either.

 

A Norwegian "consumer rights" show did a report on this and every time they tried to get an answer from Apple, they refused to comment. 

Having special screws makes sure that you can't easily take the phone apart. So what, Mercedes Benz uses alien technology nuts and bolts for their cars to make sure only their mechanics can fix it. I don't blame them. 

[EpicGeekonFire]

hey this is alltime10s you are talking about

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well i agree with most part

 

i mean 600$ to upgrade ram? and five point screws??

They are called Pentalobe screws I believe and they aren't Alien, they have screw drivers for them... for years now. 

[HexaGuy]

Back when light bulbs were just getting commercialised, manufacturers made their bulbs as long lasting as possible. However, a couple of years later, when they realised they could make more profit, they started to make them last a little bit shorter. This gave them a significant increase in profit; however, what they did not realise is that customers tend to stay away from companies whose products don't last well. So in the long run, even though they made a significant increase in profit in the beginning, they ended up losing A LOT of money, and it's hard to repair reputations, because once a customer has endured a bad experience, they will always remember the bad experience, and not the good ones. (In most cases)

 

So if Apple decided to do this, they wouldn't of become a multi-billion dollar company, they would even fail at the testing you have to endure if you want to sell your products in the European market. And now, because we have the internet, bad publicity spreads very very quickly, and as I said before, once a bad experience has been endured or reported of, nobody will buy your products. 

 

So in short, nobody would do this, because it is ultimately bad for your company, and your reputation.

[gigi1237]

This used not to be the case in the past, my parent used to buy only macs and they only upgraded twice since 2004, and the first upgrade was due to the incompatibility with the PowerPC architecture.

Apple's laptops really last a long time if you have basic needs. But in the recent years I started noticing that devices get exponentially slower with every OS upgrade especially iPhones.

Their laptops also start getting very hot after about 1-2 years even with regular cleaning. 

 

Now apple ever started soldering ram to the mobos, all in an effort to make them less upgradable and to make them obsolete quicker.

[gigi1237]

Back when light bulbs were just getting commercialised, manufacturers made their bulbs as long lasting as possible. However, a couple of years later, when they realised they could make more profit, they started to make them last a little bit shorter. This gave them a significant increase in profit; however, what they did not realise is that customers tend to stay away from companies whose products don't last well. So in the long run, even though they made a significant increase in profit in the beginning, they ended up losing A LOT of money, and it's hard to repair reputations, because once a customer has endured a bad experience, they will always remember the bad experience, and not the good ones. (In most cases)

 

So if Apple decided to do this, they wouldn't of become a multi-billion dollar company, they would even fail at the testing you have to endure if you want to sell your products in the European market. And now, because we have the internet, bad publicity spreads very very quickly, and as I said before, once a bad experience has been endured of reported of, nobody will buy your products. 

 

So in short, nobody would do this, because it is ultimately bad for your company, and your reputation.

 

Sincerely, 

 

 

Hexaguy

I belive thay have started doing this only quite recently. But they mostly make them become obsolete through software and using non up-gradable parts.

Chances is that this will not have a large impact on their reputation since it is not really evident that they are doing in on puropse, also all the apple fanboys will keep buying apple no matter what.

 

And also why wouldn't the devices pass testing for the european market?

[HexaGuy]

I belive thay have started doing this only quite recently. But they mostly make them become obsolete through software and using non up-gradable parts.

Chances is that this will not have a large impact on their reputation since it is not really evident that they are doing in on puropse, also all the apple fanboys will keep buying apple no matter what.

 

And also why wouldn't the devices pass testing for the european market?

 

Break testing, no sharp edges, no poisons, etc.

 

They are very strict when it comes to these sorts of things.